Pistons v Pacers Brawl!

[Fall Out Boy]

So he doesn't go mental and he's a pussy, then he does and he's a nutcase who deserves the book ?

Comparing a push and shove with a rival to attacking a fan?

I didn't suggest he should go mental. I suggested that he was scared of Ben Wallace, and that he took more backward steps than Collingwood in 2004.

The guy ran into the crowd and attempted to bash a spectator. How can you justify it, let alone defend it?

Obviously the fan who threw the beer on him did wrong (and should be punished), but plenty of sportspeople have had a drink thrown on them over time, 99.9% don't feel the need to bash a fan.

Hopefully most Pacers fans see it for what it was, a stupid and unsavoury act from a player who's attitude and inablity to control his temper has often caused problems.

 

[Red_Devil]

O'Neal hammered that bloke good.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

And yes, Artest is a great basketball player. Phenomenal even. But as a person, he is a god damn lunatic

I don't know what type of person he is, not met him.

However, his actions on the court clearly show that he has significant anger management issues, his comments off the court show that he is somewhat troubled mentally.

I hope he gets a big suspension and actually heads off and gets some help for his issues, because incidents like this are likely to overshadow what is potentially an excellent career.

 

[Kenny_01]

I agree with the boys on SportsCenter... in that situation, most players would gone after the fan. The fan got belted, and deservedly so.

 

[thehardaway]

Surely we can all see that Ron did it with the sole intention of having time off to work on his album

 

[Darealrath]

Comparing a push and shove with a rival to attacking a fan?

I didn't suggest he should go mental. I suggested that he was scared of Ben Wallace, and that he took more backward steps than Collingwood in 2004.

The guy ran into the crowd and attempted to bash a spectator. How can you justify it, let alone defend it?

Obviously the fan who threw the beer on him did wrong (and should be punished), but plenty of sportspeople have had a drink thrown on them over time, 99.9% don't feel the need to bash a fan.

Hopefully most Pacers fans see it for what it was, a stupid and unsavoury act from a player who's attitude and inablity to control his temper has often caused problems.

What he did was wrong. I know that. I just don't see how you can distinguish between him having a moment of sanity when confronted with Ben - realising it wasn't worth his time to get sucked in - and being scared.

And while what he did was wrong i'll be very ********ed if the Pistons aren't punished as much if not more so.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I agree with the boys on SportsCenter... in that situation, most players would gone after the fan. The fan got belted, and deservedly so.

Would Duncan have gone after a fan? Would Ray Allen have gone after a fan? Would AK have gone after a fan? (No, he would have swatted the bottle before it hit him).

The fans who provoked that should be barred for life, but you never go into the stands and after a fan. I don't care what they do, that's just crap.

 

[Kenny_01]

Would Duncan have gone after a fan? Would Ray Allen have gone after a fan? Would AK have gone after a fan? (No, he would have swatted the bottle before it hit him).

The fans who provoked that should be barred for life, but you never go into the stands and after a fan. I don't care what they do, that's just crap.

I didn't say all players. But in that environment and in that mood, I'm guessing your average NBA player would have.

Anyway, that's besides the point. Artest shouldn't have gone into the crowd and he will know that, but in that situation, he was trying his best to control himself until it went too far. That's why I feel sorry for him. He will cop it for his past even though he was trying to do the right thing by not getting involved.

 

[WoD]

i think big ben should be the one suspended the heaviest out of this, if he didnt push artest none of that would of happened, that foul was soft and im not even sure if the foul was on him, ben completely over reacted and artest does the right thing and backs off, and what happens? he gets a drink in his face for doing NOTHING, i dont blame him for rushing the dude, even tho i dont think he rushed the right dude because the guy he rushed had a drink in his hand haha so i dont think he threw it, i didnt expect it all watching it live this morning, me and 2 mates could not believe it, at least they arent taking a beating as bad as my bulls are taking haha, but every fan who threw something, wether it be popcorn, a drink, or the chair that was thrown at oneal should be banned for life, players arent going to be provoked if there arent smart asses to provoke them

 

[Red_Devil]

i think big ben should be the one suspended the heaviest out of this, if he didnt push artest none of that would of happened

If you want to use that view on it, then you can suspend Artest for the initial push and blame it all on him. But that's just stupid, how would he know that a little push on Artest would lead to something like that.

 

[feher]

If you want to use that view on it, then you can suspend Artest for the initial push and blame it all on him. ...

i disagree, it was a foul nothing more, Wallace started the whole thing.

 

[Red_Devil]

i disagree, it was a foul nothing more, Wallace started the whole thing.

Jeez, that obviously went straight over your head.

 

[feher]

Jeez, that obviously went straight over your head.

have you seen the incident? cos i have no idea what your getting at, Wallace went after Artest not the otherway around.

 

[Red_Devil]

have you seen the incident? cos i have no idea what your getting at, Wallace went after Artest not the otherway around.

My original post was to say that you couldn't blame the WHOLE incident on Wallace. So he shoved him, and that started a bit of a brawl but little did he know that it would lead to what happened as the person above my post was trying to blame it all on Ben.. When it's obviously everyones involveds fault.

 

[feher]

My original post was to say that you couldn't blame the WHOLE incident on Wallace. So he shoved him, and that started a bit of a brawl but little did he know that it would lead to what happened as the person above my post was trying to blame it all on Ben.. When it's obviously everyones involveds fault.

thanks i understand what your saying now, but i do disagree to an extend, i think Ben has being around long enough to know what was going to happen, probably not to that extent, but Wallace did start it, that can't be over looked. Wallace also shoved Artest in the throat area, if it was lower, it probably wouldn't have exploded as much.

 

[WoD]

My original post was to say that you couldn't blame the WHOLE incident on Wallace. So he shoved him, and that started a bit of a brawl but little did he know that it would lead to what happened as the person above my post was trying to blame it all on Ben.. When it's obviously everyones involveds fault.

i dont think it was all his fault, but artests foul wasnt anything malicious, u see that kind of foul 10 times a game, ben was the first person to do something that initiated everything would happen after that, of course he cant take the blame for an idiot fan who threw a drink, but if he didnt push artest it would never of happened
i just hope when the league hands out suspensions they dont go the hardest on artest and jackson

 

[WoD]

i find it amazing that a fan would throw a drink after artest did not a thing wrong, sure he was a smart ass laying back on the score bench but he never threw a punch, rushed back at ben, some may say thats being scared, maybe with his record he knew he would be suspended straight away, but artests tries to do the right thing and still gets stung by a drink, harsh i think

 

[WoD]

If you want to use that view on it, then you can suspend Artest for the initial push and blame it all on him. But that's just stupid, how would he know that a little push on Artest would lead to something like that.

and it was hardly a little push, both hands at the neck region, and then still coming after that, if ben didnt keep coming it would of stopped right there

 

[Borgsta]

im probably get given crap for this but WELL DONE Ron Artest. I hope the NBA dont punish him at all for going into the stands. Whats happened in the past is exactly that, in the past. In pro sports these days u very very rarely see the crowd throw stuff at players and im glad that Artest retaliated. This might actually show some idiots in the crowd that it aint open season on the players whenever they fell ********ed off. You pay money to watch the game, not to be a part of the game and at no stage do you have any right to assault a player without expecting them to come back at you.

 

[Red_Devil]

i just hope when the league hands out suspensions they dont go the hardest on artest and jackson

Doubt it. Did you see Ben in the crowd trying to knock people out? No. There going to go harder on someone who tried to knock some ********wits in the crowd then someone who pushed another player.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

i just hope when the league hands out suspensions they dont go the hardest on artest and jackson

So Ben Wallace should get a longer suspension for shoving Artest, than Artest should get for bashing a fan? Give me strength.

It's a total cop out to blame Ben Wallace for Ron Artest's inability to control his anger, and for Ron Artest's common law assault.

By your logic, any action taken after the initial incident can be excused, or at the very least put on the head of the instigator of the initial incident.

I can see it now. 'It wasn't my fault i bashed the fan. It's Ben Wallace's fault because he shoved me some five minutes beforehand'

Ludicrous.

 

[hans moleman]

Artest, Jackson & O'Neal will get the heaviest punishment...via both the nba & the courtrooms probably.

Suprised O'Neal got into the thick of the action...don't know why, but I thought he'd be the type of guy who'd try to break things up.

Can't wait for the playoff series.

 

[Portmanteau]

Hopefully we get the Christmas day (Boxing Day our time) re-match on ESPN. Deadset, if Indiana gets a raw deal from the NBA hierachy, their fans may do the same as we saw tonight.

 

[feher]

It's a total cop out to blame Ben Wallace for Ron Artest's inability to control his anger, and for Ron Artest's common law assault.

it is Wallace's fault for loosing his cool over a simple foul, it was not artest fault, Wallace imo started the incident, even if he didn't mean it to go that far, Artest was just being stupid on the table, but still no reason for that ******** in the crowd to throw the drink at him, or the rest of the crowd throwing stuff at him as he was taken out back.

Wallace started it, Artest stood up for himself, a bit of a tough one if he should have or not, oh and that idiot in the crowd also made things worse, not artest. It was a combination of Wallace and the crowd, not Artest and pacer players that created this fight.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Artest, Jackson & O'Neal will get the heaviest punishment...via both the nba & the courtrooms probably.

Fair point that.

The fans who were physically assaulted will sue the NBA and the players involved, and will likely make a fortune.

Given Ron Artest was the actual instigator of the fights in the stands, he is likely to be up for some major coin.

No doubt the fans did wrong as well, but it doesn't give the players the right to bash them.