Conspiracy Theory Pizzagate *DEBUNKED

[Malifice]

Instead of being pedants, can we change the thread title to “child trafficking is a thing…but definitely not amongst weird pizza and ping pong loving artists in Washington DC that openly post pro pedo stuff in their Insta pages”? Or can we start a new thread and be told off for not using an existing thread? I mean seriously...I ask this often, but why not just shut down this forum if it needs a hero to save us daily?

Of course, child trafficking is a real thing. But Pizzagate (and Qanon) are not real things. They're just the Russians cooking people.

Re the post above:

Washington, DC – The United States Marshals Service (USMS), along with state and local agencies in 16 federal judicial districts and geographical locations across the U.S., led a 10-week national operation that resulted in the recovery or safe location of 225 endangered missing children, which includes runaways and those abducted by non-custodial persons.

Most of the kids recovered were runaways from home, and children taken by parents locked in custody disputes, without the permission of the parent who had custody.

With technical assistance from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), Operation We Will Find You resulted in the recovery of 169 children and the safe location of 56 children. During the operation, the U.S. Marshals Service referred 28 cases to law enforcement agencies for further investigation of crimes such as drugs and weapons, sex trafficking, and sex offender violations. Law enforcement reported allegations of trafficking in over 40 cases the U.S. Marshals Service assisted with. Of the cases closed, 86% were endangered runaways, nearly 9% were family abductions, and 5% were considered otherwise missing. The youngest child recovered was six months old. Additionally, of the missing children recovered, 62 percent were recovered within seven days of the U.S. Marshals Service assisting with the case.

U.S. Marshals Find 225 Missing Children in 16 Locations Across Nation During Operation We Will Find You | U.S. Marshals Service

While some charges were laid for sex trafficking, the above is not evidence of some Machiavellian sex trafficking ring. Its mainly finding kids who ran away from home, or who were abducted by the (non custodial) parent in defiance of Family court orders.

 

[Kurve]

full interview below. Covers other topics…

This does appear to have substance with the creator of those disgusting websites Nathan Larson, arrested and charged for grooming a 12yo he subsequently tried to fly across the country with and where he eventually died in prison.

His profile is interesting and shouldn't surprise, he's an out and proud white supremacist, an incel who also created a website for incels.

He believed in instituting a patriarchal system, with women under the authority of men, he supported abolishing age restrictions for marriage and laws against marital rape, believed that white supremacy is a “system that works,” that Hitler was a “good thing for Germany,” and that incest should be legalized.

Looks like he's proof the system worked, if it probably took longer than it should have.

 

[Malifice]

This does appear to have substance with the creator of those disgusting websites Nathan Larson, arrested and charged for grooming a 12yo he subsequently tried to fly across the country with and where he eventually died in prison.

His profile is interesting and shouldn't surprise, he's an out and proud white supremacist, an incel who also created a website for incels.

They almost always are.

Qanon and Pizzagate try and spin it as a plot by 'Hollywood elites, George Soros, Finacial elites' (the Jews) to farm out children for sex and ritual abuse (Blood Libel, straight from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion) to left leaning politicians, musicians and actors.

It's been done before (in the Protocols). The conspiracy is just a re-dressing of the central conspiracy in that book, with even more batshit crazy window dressing attached.

This is why Pizzagate (and Qanon) are popular in spaces like 4chan and 8kun among Neo-Nazis and the Alt-Right, people who are also now arguing that 'Drag queens are Paedos'. This is due to the obvious antisemitic nature of the conspiracy and due to the fact it advances hatred of Jews and left leaning people.

Drag Queens are not Paedos. There is no 'secret Jewish plot to farm out kids to Leftists for ritual satanic sexual abuse'. Most sex offenders are cis-gendered men (and occasionally women), who are almost always taking advantage of relatives or children under their care (Priests, Boy scout instructors, Teachers etc).

There are no tunnels. There is no secret Pizza shit. That's all crap made up by the Russians, to brainwash people into voting for Trump and spur Neo Nazi attacks, and sow discord in the USA.

 

[Kurve]

This is a board dedicated to co spuracy theories. Regardless whether outlandish or plausible, it exists so enthusiasts can discuss that genre, regardless whether they believe or don't. It's an interesting and thought-provoking realm.

People who post here to contest CTs are most welcome, but there's no need for those who come here to gaslight others.

If it's such an interesting and thought-provoking realm, why can you not address the idea that Pizzagate itself is a conspiracy and where it originated from? Examine the reasons why Russia might have grabbed it and run with it?


Be brave, give it a crack.

 

[Kurve]

This thread has been used as a catch-all to discussing stories about child trafficking, not specifically the Pizzagate phenomenon of 2015 or whenever… it feels disingenuous to simply dismiss stories because pizzagate has been “debunked”, or they are not specifically related to a pizza ping pong restaurant in Washington DC.

There isn't a lot of 'discussing' going on in here if the best place to examine and either debunk or give a little credit to conspiracy theories is in here.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Protocols of the Elders of Moscow

 

[Kurve]

I'm looking forward to hearing more about the Protocols of the Elders of Moscow

Well, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion originated in Russia. Apparently.

 

[Malifice]

Well, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion originated in Russia. Apparently.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Протоколы сионских мудрецов) or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is a fabricated antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. The hoax was plagiarized from several earlier sources, some not antisemitic in nature.[1] It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. It played a key part in popularizing belief in an international Jewish conspiracy.

Distillations of the work were assigned by some German teachers, as if factual, to be read by German schoolchildren after the Nazis came to power in 1933,[2] despite having been exposed as fraudulent by the British newspaper The Times in 1921 and the German Frankfurter Zeitung in 1924. It remains widely available in numerous languages, in print and on the Internet, and continues to be presented by antisemitic groups as a genuine document. It has been described as "probably the most influential work of antisemitism ever written".[3]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia

No 'apparently' about it. The Russians have been at the misinformation game for a while.

 

[exe ex machina]

Anti-Russian sentiment - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[exe ex machina]

Same same.

It's all the evil Jews, it's all the evil Russians/Slavs, it's all the evil Nazis, it's Communism, it's Democrats, it's feminists, it's the Blacks, it's White Supremacists, it's...

It's ok to rail against prejudice (anti-semitism) by being prejudiced towards another ethnicity/group.

Or do those throwing stones around not realize they're in glass houses too?

Making the same mistake, displaying the same generalizing.

 

[exe ex machina]

A black man commits a crime, someone points to the color of his skin, makes a point of focusing on that.

Same same.

There's a raft of issues and topics to delve into why a (another) black man committed a crime, or why that particular crime, or crime itself....outside of a "male" and/or "negro" angle.

 

[Malifice]

Same same.

No, the difference is the Russians are behind the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Pizzagate, and a ton of other conspiracy theories spread around the world.

They've been particularly successful too. They've convinced you for example, and you're not even aware its happening.

 

[exe ex machina]

 

[Malifice]

Oh for ****s sake:

The World Economic Forum is now calling for the decriminalization of sex with children, arguing that laws against so-called “age gap love,” more commonly known as pedophilia, “violate human rights.”

Rather than being a scourge, the pedophilia epidemic that is sweeping the world is actually “nature’s gift” to humanity, according to Klaus Schwab whose World Economic Forum has declared that pedophiles are being created by nature in increasingly large numbers for a reason.

According to a research paper presented at the WEF in Davos, the pedophile phenomenon represents nature’s attempt to cleanse the earth and “save humanity” from itself. Minor attracted people are far less likely to produce large numbers of offspring, according to academic data, and the so-called “underage people” they have so-called “relationships” with are statistically less likely to go on and become heads of large families themselves.

UN Executive Director Blows Whistle: Global Elite Are ALL Pedophiles - The People's Voice

Do you honestly believe a ****ing word of that? It's self-evidently deliberate misinformation!

 

[theouthouse]

No, the difference is the Russians are behind the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Pizzagate, and a ton of other conspiracy theories spread around the world.

They've been particularly successful too. They've convinced you for example, and you're not even aware its happening.

Lets delve into this a little bit shall we.

In theory you are saying that the holocaust, as a direct result of 'russian misinformation' is plausible.

Yet in the same breath say something like 'pizzagate' is not plausible.

Similarities being elite/people in positions of power using that for their own agenda.

I am curious. In your mind what makes one of these situations, the systematic abuse and killing of a population plausible, yet the systematic abuse and killing of children not plausible, self admitting they both stem from 'Russian Misinformation'?

 

[bourbons]

God help me, I watched the video

The guy is parroting the "8 million children disappear each year" thing that has been doing the rounds on cooker socials for years, framing it as usual like all of them are abducted off the street never to be seen again. Obviously, this isn't quite what is happening;

• Every year, approximately eight million children are reported missing worldwide
• In the US, 2300 children are reported missing per day
• Strangers abduct less than 1% of missing children
• Parents are accountable for over 90% of abductions

5. More than 99% of missing children return home alive.​

(Reuters)

While a missing child is always a scene for concern, the vast amount of child abduction cases in recent years have returned home alive. Many point to technological advancement as a leading reason for this positive indication, as well as greater awareness that quick responses make a difference for the lives of abductees.

Stranger abductions are the only outlier in this hopeful outlook. Studies show that of this small group of children every year, 40% of them are killed by the person who took them.

Child Abduction Statistics: Non-Family Kidnapping​

Non-family kidnapping is perhaps the most commonly associated type of abduction in this phenomenon. Fear of human trafficking, child abuse, and other crimes is very real in these scenarios, and while they account for a small proportion of all missing child cases, the impact is devastating.

6. Less than 1% of missing children get abducted by strangers.​

(Missing Kids, Reuters)

When it comes to all cases of children reported missing, less than 1% are taken by someone they don’t know. The vast 91% of missing cases are runaways, as child kidnapping statistics show, while family abductions make up 5% of missing children. Based on reports from the FBI over the last ten years, fewer than 350 children were abducted annually by strangers, despite the high profile news coverage of many cases.

The Truth About Child Abduction Statistics in 2023

Missing children are a concerning issue worldwide, but child abduction statistics show it’s not always the stranger you should be worried about.

safeatlast.co

Missing children in U.S. nearly always make it home alive

Anxiety over two cases of missing children in the news this week - New York's Etan Patz and Arizona's Isabel Mercedes Celis - masks an encouraging development in the search for U.S. boys and girls who disappear: More than 99 percent now return home alive.

www.reuters.com

The source site you're linking to has perhaps the worst rating I've ever seen

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[bourbons]

Lets delve into this a little bit shall we.

In theory you are saying that the holocaust, as a direct result of 'russian misinformation' is plausible.

Yet in the same breath say something like 'pizzagate' is not plausible.

Similarities being elite/people in positions of power using that for their own agenda.

I am curious. In your mind what makes one of these situations, the systematic abuse and killing of a population plausible, yet the systematic abuse and killing of children not plausible, self admitting they both stem from 'Russian Misinformation'?

Eh? The holocaust is independently verified by 1000s of people. People went to trial for it, evidence was presented.

 

[theouthouse]

Eh? The holocaust is independently verified by 1000s of people. People went to trial for it, evidence was presented.

So people in high authority and positions of power, the elite, the ruling class, by independant verification, are capable of such atrocities as systematic, even ritualistic, abuse and killing of other people. 'The final solution', Factual in a court of law.

Biblically people offered up their children to god as a sacrifice, see Isaac, as an unquestionable loyalty to the extremes one would go to for a 'greater'. Biblical but not sure if factual. Could be 'russian misinformation'.

Many people have come forward about systemic and ritualistic child abuse.

In context, I am asking why pizzagate is not plausible and has to be readily dismissed as fake.

 

[Werewolf]

Eh? The holocaust is independently verified by 1000s of people. People went to trial for it, evidence was presented.

You misunderstood his post. He meant the holocaust (didn't) occur because the Nazis believed Russian disinformation.

 

[Kurve]

In context, I am asking why pizzagate is not plausible and has to be readily dismissed as fake.

The Pizzagate conspiracy theory wasn't so readily dismissed as fake, it's been going on for nearly ten years and been extensively investigated by a wide range of organisations.

It's fake.

 

[Malifice]

Lets delve into this a little bit shall we.

In theory you are saying that the holocaust, as a direct result of 'russian misinformation' is plausible.

There is no evidence the PotEoZ was an effort by the Russian government at spreading misinformation (where it differs from current Russian misinformation, where there is overwhelming evidence Russia is behind Pizzagate and similar bullshit like Anti-vaxx, Biolabs, pro Trump messaging and Neo Nazi shit).

But otherwise yes, the PotEoZ contributed to the Holocaust. The Nazis and Hitler (who perpetrated the Holocaust) though the PotEoZ was real, literally made it a required reading in schools, and were influenced by it.

In that book, it details how Jewish people are behind a plot to undermine the European race, subjugate them, and secretly farm out children for cannibalistic sex rituals ('blood libel').

So basically Pizzagate/ Qanon, just without the Pizza.

Yet in the same breath say something like 'pizzagate' is not plausible.

It's not plausible.

Similarities being elite/people in positions of power using that for their own agenda.

Why the **** would 'the Jews' be able to (or want to) farm out children for sexual abuse to prominent (leftist) politicians, under the cover of a Pizza shop?

You're aware that some dude thought as you do, and went to the Pizza shop in question, armed with a ****ing AR-15 demanding that the children be released?

There were no children. It's just a ****ing Pizza shop. The whole ****ing thing was made up by a Russian troll on Twitter, became viral, was further amplified by Russian operatives and their bots, and cooked a lot of people into thinking it was real, with the express goal of undermining Hillary Clintons electoral chances, and boosting Trumps.

I am curious. In your mind what makes one of these situations, the systematic abuse and killing of a population plausible, yet the systematic abuse and killing of children not plausible, self admitting they both stem from 'Russian Misinformation'?

Because the Holocaust is real, and it happened. There are literally billions of documents, firsthand witness testimony and admissions from thousands of people (from survivors, to guards, camp commandants, Nazi hierarchy, the sonderkommandos, the existence of the extermination camps themselves, photographs, Train passenger manifests full of people that vanished on arriving at the camps, and the sudden disappearance of 6 million Jewish people from the face of the earth, etc).

I've literally been to the camps myself. They're real, and it happened.

Pizzagate is not real and did not happen. It literally emerged from a tweet from a Russian troll. The overwhelming evidence is that it was part of a deliberate Russian misinformation program, designed to damage the Clinton electoral campaign, and promote the Trump campaign.

How can you even compare those two things?

 

[exe ex machina]

Sheeple be sheepling

 

[bourbons]

So people in high authority and positions of power, the elite, the ruling class, by independant verification, are capable of such atrocities as systematic, even ritualistic, abuse and killing of other people. 'The final solution', Factual in a court of law.

Biblically people offered up their children to god as a sacrifice, see Isaac, as an unquestionable loyalty to the extremes one would go to for a 'greater'. Biblical but not sure if factual. Could be 'russian misinformation'.

Many people have come forward about systemic and ritualistic child abuse.

In context, I am asking why pizzagate is not plausible and has to be readily dismissed as fake.

Because there is no comparison whatsoever between the 2. Its an utterly ridiculous question to ponder.

The holocaust... thousands of witnesses, admissions, documents, established processes and locations. Tested at trial and people sentenced.

Pizzagate has... what? Some hacked emails about food and posts by complete randoms on the internet about hidden meaning in the signage, some weird artwork who the owner knew?

Of course one is not plausible and easily dismissed while the other isn't. Surreal that we're even having this discussion

Many people have come forward about systemic and ritualistic child abuse.

'Many' in comparison to the holocaust? Any of them come forward about it happening at pizza restaurants?

Of course stuff like that exists, its just not as pervasive and all-encompassing as accounts like the one GG.exe posted would have you believe, Epstein being the most high profile example. Weird how that case was blown open and he was ultimately arrested due to investigative journalism from Julie K. Brown, a member of the MSM, rather than randoms posting on the internet isn't it?

 

[bourbons]

You misunderstood his post. He meant the holocaust (didn't) occur because the Nazis believed Russian disinformation.

No, I don't think he is?

In context, I am asking why pizzagate is not plausible and has to be readily dismissed as fake.

 

[Malifice]

Sheeple be sheepling

You're saying believing in the historical truth of the Holocaust is 'sheepling'?