List Mgmt. 'Play hardball': Mitch Robinson urges the Suns to re-draft Jack Martin

Should Gold Coast make a stand and re-draft Jack Martin?

  • Yes, it's time for GC to stop being treated like a door mat

    Votes: 88 56.8%

  • No, GC don't need uncommitted players

    Votes: 67 43.2%
  • Total voters
    155

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Johnny Bananas said:
Lynch: the FA compensation was better than anything they could have got by trade.

May: they received a fair trade for Melbourne. In hindsight it seems like overs.

Ah Chee: they received a fair deal for a player they didn't really want anymore.

Lyons: they shed the salary of a player they didn't really want anymore.

Martin is a player they still want and he isn't an FA yet. They were, and still are, perfectly entitled to dig their heels in until he either hits FA or they get a suitable offer.
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If that was true, why did they not offer him a contract?
Strange, but the GC list team agreed to the offer, so they thought it was a fair offer, yet it was Coch who canned it. So...
 
GC2015 said:
It was reported that we were still willing to engage in a pick 15+Martin for pick 9 exchange on the last day of the trade period. So Carlton certainly had an opportunity to complete the deal and chose not to. Don't act like Carlton had no other choice in this situation because it's simply not true.
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The offer was Carlton give pick 9 and the future second rounder for Martin and pick 15.

It wasn’t a good deal for Carlton.
 

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Red_man2008 said:
See Above GFY. Botha Cripps and Docherty training today. What was Martin doing?
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Yeah, but Martin was still playing at the end of September, about 6 months after those guys packed it in for the year.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
You seriously think a 2nd and 3rd in a year's time in a heavily compromised draft is overs? Seriously? To me that's a long way from overs.
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Martin has done nothing and was dropped from the wooden spooners, you seriously think he is worth anything of value?

The heavily compromised statement is a load of s**t, half or more of the kids won't go top 30 or even be drafted, the pecking order changes so much in 12 months predicting how it will go now is foolish at best.
 
Skull Face said:
Martin has done nothing and was dropped from the wooden spooners, you seriously think he is worth anything of value?
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He wasn't dropped due to a lack of talent, so yes I seriously think he is worth something of value. As does your club, or do they routinely flush $3.5 million down the toilet?

The heavily compromised statement is a load of s**t, half or more of the kids won't go top 30 or even be drafted, the pecking order changes so much in 12 months predicting how it will go now is foolish at best.
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Everyone predicts how it will go. Why do you think clubs like Port Adelaide routinely move picks from one draft to another? They make decisions based on what they see, you can call it foolish if you like, I call it pragmatic.
 
I've heard in the grapevine that the Suns are 50/50 on redrafting him.I'm not sure why they woudn't, he will be better than some reject from another club.
 
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btdg said:
This is a bizarre and stupid situation by both clubs.

First, on Carlton’s side, agonising over what he’s worth is stupid. You get a decent player just entering his prime, convince him that your (bottom 3) team is the place he wants to be... then quibble over the price? Sure, we were holding out for Papley and keeping some assets in reserve but it’s just poor form. Get the deal done, bring the guy in and get him settled and focusing on preseason and playing good footy in a new environment. Instead, we are stuck in some stupid game of emotional blackmail, hoping GC don’t exercise their right to redraft him (which would be perfectly legit of them) AND that Melbourne for some reason choose not to draft a bloke who would totally fit their needs. Absolute idiocy.

On GC side, geez. They had years to sort out his contract and an extension beyond this year. They didn’t. Too bad - you’ve had 7 years with the bloke, he’s given solid service at a basket case of a club, and now wants something different. You’ve traded out other guys in his age bracket who wanted to go, and this is the stand you are making, over 10 or so spots of draft position when you are loaded with (freebie) draft assets gifted to you by the league? This is your stand? To what end? Keep Martin for 1 miserable year until free agency and then he can go anyone? Try again to persuade him to stay (8th time is a charm, right?)? If it’s a question of price, again, figure out something you want and get it sorted rather than having this mess that the whole playing group is absolutely watching... Absolute idiocy.

There’s a reason why both teams are in the bottom 3 IMO. Richmond gave up pick 6 for Prestia, traded a second round pick for Caddy; even packaged up two picks to get a first rounder for Chris Yarran, a trade that didn’t pan out. In the end - they got good players into their footy club and have won premierships. Does anyone see Hawthorn or Geelong ballsing this up from either direction? Hawthorn let Buddy Franklin go for pick 19 when he wanted out, traded a heap to get Jaeger O’Meara. Their ‘rebuild’ included a top 4 home and away season last year. The AFL should have stepped in on this one and forced a mediation (and still should rather than letting the dick-swinging contest turn the draft into a shambles).
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Probably one of the best assessments of the situation ive seen. Should be stickied to the top of this thread.
 
Skull Face said:
Martin has done nothing and was dropped from the wooden spooners, you seriously think he is worth anything of value?

The heavily compromised statement is a load of s**t, half or more of the kids won't go top 30 or even be drafted, the pecking order changes so much in 12 months predicting how it will go now is foolish at best.
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Worth anything of value? Isn't your club offering him more than $750,000 a year?
 
jezzajay said:
Does 3 million over 5 years = 750k per year?
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3.1M, with room to get to 3.5M, and heavily front loaded (2M in the first 2 years).

No, it's not 750K/yr, but it's enough to suggest your club thinks he's worth a fair bit.
 

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telsor said:
avoiding the point of a comment to focus on a detail that was wrong...Classic deflection.
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Whatever...I was just trying to highlight to someone they had their facts wrong.
You're simply playing the man...troll much.
Don't give two hoots what yours or his opinion is as to whether he's valuable!
But I do care for someone spruiking s**t!
 
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