Play-time is over, children: Putins message to the Western elites is most important since Churchills

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http://www.sott.net/article/288204-...mportant-since-Churchills-Iron-Curtain-speech

Most people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin's speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn't get a chance to read it, and missed its importance. (For your convenience, I am pasting in the full transcript of his speech below.) Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don't think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech of March 5, 1946.

In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.

The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:

1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.

2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.

3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.

4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.

5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding "empire of chaos," and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.

6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.

7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war - nor does she fear it.

8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order - until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.

9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.

To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:

10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States - but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.

To sum it all up: play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?

See Putin's speech here.

 

[1061]

The sleeping giant is waking up, but I think it is noticeable that not one mention of China was made.

 

[FPPF]

The sleeping giant is waking up, but I think it is noticeable that not one mention of China was made.

China's a giant factory that requires a huge amount of resources from outside.
Russia is reawakening super power that has all the natural resources it needs while supplying resources to places like China and Europe.

Russia has a military doctrine that will allow it to rapidly spread and deploy military assets globally, once it builds the hardware. ..The modern frigates, the carrier fleets, the new armored vehicles and ta ms and fighter jets etc.

China is still building and developing it's military industrial complex, and doesn't even have true blue water capabilities for its navy. It lacks the doctrine and history of operating globally and even in its wider region. Developing all that fast mind you.

But still a lot of their weapons tech Is Russian/Soviet. While they are building/developing their own so are the Russians and everyone else, and Russia isn't reliant on others for its military.

Then there's the obvious fact the Russians have a nuclear arsenal unmatched.

How many Chinese SSBN's are patrolling the world's oceans? How many Chinese long range bombers armed with nuclear weapons are sent on long range patrol missions to the edge of American air space or across European FIR's?

China is the new kid on the block. Untried untested and still relatively confined to its own borders and immediate regional neighborhood.

 

[little graham]

China's a giant factory that requires a huge amount of resources from outside.
Russia is reawakening super power that has all the natural resources it needs while supplying resources to places like China and Europe.

Russia has a military doctrine that will allow it to rapidly spread and deploy military assets globally, once it builds the hardware. ..The modern frigates, the carrier fleets, the new armored vehicles and ta ms and fighter jets etc.

China is still building and developing it's military industrial complex, and doesn't even have true blue water capabilities for its navy. It lacks the doctrine and history of operating globally and even in its wider region. Developing all that fast mind you.

But still a lot of their weapons tech Is Russian/Soviet. While they are building/developing their own so are the Russians and everyone else, and Russia isn't reliant on others for its military.

Then there's the obvious fact the Russians have a nuclear arsenal unmatched.

How many Chinese SSBN's are patrolling the world's oceans? How many Chinese long range bombers armed with nuclear weapons are sent on long range patrol missions to the edge of American air space or across European FIR's?

China is the new kid on the block. Untried untested and still relatively confined to its own borders and immediate regional neighborhood.

You guys are sick.

All this fear of Russians and chinese. They didn't kill millions in iraq with the 2003 invasion. We did.

 

[FPPF]

You guys are sick.

All this fear of Russians and chinese. They didn't kill millions in iraq with the 2003 invasion. We did.

Oh yeh, China is the bastion of human rights.
And Russia didn't level Grozny, it was just special effects from the latest Russian blockbuster movie at the time.

I wonder when some of you will realize that no side is better or worse then the other.


Fear? No. Recognizing the threats to our way of life and our civilization, yes.
Not so much with Russia, but with China and terrorism.

"Our side" is the "boss" on the block. It's being challenged by others, a resurgent Russia, an up and coming China, perhaps even India.

Regardless of what we think of US foreign policy, or whether we agree with Russia bombing the * out of ISIS, let's not forget what side we are actually on.
We might be critical of US foreign policy, or our adventures along side the American military in the Middle East, or lack of action over what happens in Indonesia, among other things our government does or doesn't do, but that's the beauty of our way of life and our civilization. We are free to be critical, to disagree, or agree.
I'd much rather our way of life and our freedoms, are preserved then our civilization falling and being replaced by tyrany and dictatorship and one-party government where the President is elected from within the party and the people get no say. I'm sure if each and every one of us if we were drafted we'd all answer that call for our country.

**** China and globalization.

 

[little graham]

Fear? No. Recognizing the threats to our way of life and our civilization, yes.
.

 

[QuietB]

To paraphrase Putin's speech - come at me bro

 

[yebiga]

Oh yeh, China is the bastion of human rights.
And Russia didn't level Grozny, it was just special effects from the latest Russian blockbuster movie at the time.

I wonder when some of you will realize that no side is better or worse then the other.


Fear? No. Recognizing the threats to our way of life and our civilization, yes.
Not so much with Russia, but with China and terrorism.

"Our side" is the "boss" on the block. It's being challenged by others, a resurgent Russia, an up and coming China, perhaps even India.

Regardless of what we think of US foreign policy, or whether we agree with Russia bombing the **** out of ISIS, let's not forget what side we are actually on.
We might be critical of US foreign policy, or our adventures along side the American military in the Middle East, or lack of action over what happens in Indonesia, among other things our government does or doesn't do, but that's the beauty of our way of life and our civilization. We are free to be critical, to disagree, or agree.
I'd much rather our way of life and our freedoms, are preserved then our civilization falling and being replaced by tyrany and dictatorship and one-party government where the President is elected from within the party and the people get no say. I'm sure if each and every one of us if we were drafted we'd all answer that call for our country.

**** China and globalization.

Free to post on social media
Our media is so narrow now it's beyond a joke
Free
Yeah freedom to oppress

 

[FPPF]

Free to post on social media
Our media is so narrow now it's beyond a joke
Free
Yeah freedom to oppress

I had a bit of a chuckle before at the news, when they ran a story on ABC24 about Russia being "accused" of killing civilians in air strikes in Syria.
No mention of the similar accusations over the past week or two regarding American air strikes killing civilians in Syria though.

I get that we are part of the American lead coalition over there, supposedly bombing ISIS, but is this what it's really come to? And people are still asleep in front of their tv/computer screens?

 

[nut]

Not a bad speech ... watch Trump soughtvthus out like he did North Korea... lol.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Putin leader of the free world these days
whoever is taking about human rights has not asked Iraqis Palestinians Syrians and Libyans etc about human rights thanks to the USA and friends

 

[HairyO]

To paraphrase Putin's speech - come at me bro

They just did. Ignored his chest beating and went about the attack how they saw fit.

Russia is a toothless old bear. Dangerous to weaklings but have been a non entity for 30 years.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

They just did. Ignored his chest beating and went about the attack how they saw fit.

Russia is a toothless old bear. Dangerous to weaklings but have been a non entity for 30 years.

then the West has nothing to worry about lol

amazing analysis from someone who really knows nothing about missiles. ballistics, trajectiles and physics.
which is really the problem the West has

drinking it's own bathwater is a massive problem

 

[HairyO]

then the West has nothing to worry about lol

amazing analysis from someone who really knows nothing about missiles. ballistics, trajectiles and physics.
which is really the problem the West has

drinking it's own bathwater is a massive problem

Putin has quite a few fanboys it seems.

He told the West to not touch Syria. They touched Syria.

Clearly they dont care about his threats.

And Russia is a run down military good only for beating up on small neighbours and propping up tin pot dictators.

They have fallen far behind the US and China as well as other senior NATO members.

Outside of lobbing nukes (which are all decades old) where is Russia's strength?

 

[yebiga]

Putin has quite a few fanboys it seems.

He told the West to not touch Syria. They touched Syria.

Clearly they dont care about his threats.

And Russia is a run down military good only for beating up on small neighbours and propping up tin pot dictators.

They have fallen far behind the US and China as well as other senior NATO members.

Outside of lobbing nukes (which are all decades old) where is Russia's strength?

You couldn’t be more wrong

Mmm - these clowns bombed some derelict buildings in Syria - zero casualties and the NATO alliance - down to 3!

Russia’s future as the quarry merely for China and India is secure. Go have a good look at a map of the world then consider the untapped natural resources in Russia.

What we are witnessing is an Anglo American hegemony desperately trying to stop the tide of their fading power and the surge of China India and Russia.

 

[HairyO]

You couldn’t be more wrong

Mmm - these clowns bombed some derelict buildings in Syria - zero casualties and the NATO alliance - down to 3!

Russia’s future as the quarry merely for China and India is secure. Go have a good look at a map of the world then consider the untapped natural resources in Russia.

What we are witnessing is an Anglo American hegemony desperately trying to stop the tide of their fading power and the surge of China India and Russia.

Why are they untapped? No-one wants to do business with them and they dont have the skills to get them themselves.

The era of the USSR world power is long gone. While Russia celebrates how much they have sitting in the ground, China is quietly buying up every 3rd world country and taking all their resources.

 

[yebiga]

Why are they untapped? No-one wants to do business with them and they dont have the skills to get them themselves.

The era of the USSR world power is long gone. While Russia celebrates how much they have sitting in the ground, China is quietly buying up every 3rd world country and taking all their resources.

You did realize that the 30-40 odd countries who present this anti Russia message as if they are the entire world represent are no more than 20% of the world.

China has pipelines directly to Russia

With over half the worlds population at its back door whatever Russia may lose from trade sanctions in Europe or America will be more than compensated for elsewhere.

With every move the USA makes it ensures it’s own demise - just consider the US fracking for a moment. To sustain US power the US is contaminating it’s own land - spending $80 to produce a barrel selling for $60.

When your enemy is strong - you annoy it - you enrage it - you have it jumping at shadows, wasting its advantage until it is spent.
That is what you are seeing Russia do to the USA.

And yes China is sitting by the sidelines reaping all the chips

 

[HairyO]

You realise Russia backs down when sanctions come in. Not because they are trade sanctions. But because they are financial sanctions aimed at the 50 richest crooks in the country. Which basically means Putin and his cronies cant buy luxury yachts made outside of Russia. And they really enjoy buying luxury yachts.

 

[yebiga]

You realise Russia backs down when sanctions come in. Not because they are trade sanctions. But because they are financial sanctions aimed at the 50 richest crooks in the country. Which basically means Putin and his cronies cant buy luxury yachts made outside of Russia. And they really enjoy buying luxury yachts.

If you study a little bit of Russian history, you would realize that the US is doing exactly what Purim needs.
The only threat to Putin are those oligarchs
By cutting them off at the knees the USA has solidified his power and united the entire nation for a prolonged struggle against the West.

History shows that this is the very last thing you do with Russia.

Us Westerners don’t have the stomach for suffering - and that makes it impossible to defeat a committed opponent - see Napoleon, WW2, Korean war, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria.

Our record is horrendous.

 

[QuietB]

If you study a little bit of Russian history, you would realize that the US is doing exactly what Purim needs.
The only threat to Putin are those oligarchs
By cutting them off at the knees the USA has solidified his power and united the entire nation for a prolonged struggle against the West.

History shows that this is the very last thing you do with Russia.

Us Westerners don’t have the stomach for suffering - and that makes it impossible to defeat a committed opponent - see Napoleon, WW2, Korean war, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria.

Our record is horrendous.

Not sure why you mentioned WW2?

All the other wars are ridiculous and no one ever wins them. It is not even clear what the strategic goal is/was with half the wars. The USA has invaded half the world without actually knowing what it wants to do.

 

[HairyO]

Not sure why you mentioned WW2?

All the other wars are ridiculous and no one ever wins them. It is not even clear what the strategic goal is/was with half the wars. The USA has invaded half the world without actually knowing what it wants to do.

I think the What is known. Its the How and Why.

 

[yebiga]

Not sure why you mentioned WW2?

All the other wars are ridiculous and no one ever wins them. It is not even clear what the strategic goal is/was with half the wars. The USA has invaded half the world without actually knowing what it wants to do.

Well then you've missed the point.

The Russian people in WW2 showed they have a resolve none could match.
The Germans were far better fighters - odds of 1 v 3 against and the Germans would still win or hold their own.
But the Russians simply numbers and sacrifice of lives - whatever the cost - won the entire World War on the battle field - the Yanks can essentially claim having provided the Russians with equipment.

As for Allied soldiers during WW2 - they often struggled to win when they had a 5 to 1 advantage. They have never shown a consistent resolve for the tough stuff ever since their own civil war.

In the battles post WW2: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq - the NATO forces have consistently shown themselves to lack the required grit. NATO dropped more bombs on Korea then all the bombs dropped in the Pacific during WW2! In Vietnam - they doubled up - and dropped more bombs then the combined total of all the bombs dropped in all theatres of WW2.

They used napalm and other chemical substances with the objective of deforestation of all living matter for generations.

Any battle between the West and Russia or Asia augurs humiliation.

The Israelis have shown that wars can be won decisively and gains can be held and expanded. Don't get me wrong - I am not cheering the Israelis at all - there behaviour is criminal. However, so is NATOs but if your going to behave like a criminal at least win!

The single military victory NATO can claim is Kuwait! And those odds were something like 1000 v 1

Any analysis of what a war with Russia might look like - does not augur well for anyone. If this sabre rattling, sanctions and bellicose language continues - all that is required for a serious escalation is a simple error - where a plane is shot down or a missile lands in the wrong place.

What I fear, is that nothing short of a Nuclear exchange will wake the zombified Western Public from its stupor. We are democracies by name only. Our media lies and distorts to enable our collective governments to behave immorally and illegally with impunity - not in our interests - but for the interests of defence contractors, mining companies and a conga line of crony capitalist keen to exploit and impoverish every available country.

But if a Nuclear Exchange occurs - the West will have entirely wasted its cultural capital - it will be the pariah and will turn on itself - marginalized and humiliated as psychopaths - the new world order will be led by China, India and Russia.

 

[QuietB]

I think the What is known. Its the How and Why.

Is the What known? There is no conceivable What in Afghanistan. Even yebiga battled hardened Russians could not take Afghanistan. What the hell are/were the Americans doing there?

Well then you've missed the point.

The Russian people in WW2 showed they have a resolve none could match.
The Germans were far better fighters - odds of 1 v 3 against and the Germans would still win or hold their own.
But the Russians simply numbers and sacrifice of lives - whatever the cost - won the entire World War on the battle field - the Yanks can essentially claim having provided the Russians with equipment.

As for Allied soldiers during WW2 - they often struggled to win when they had a 5 to 1 advantage. They have never shown a consistent resolve for the tough stuff ever since their own civil war.

In the battles post WW2: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq - the NATO forces have consistently shown themselves to lack the required grit. NATO dropped more bombs on Korea then all the bombs dropped in the Pacific during WW2! In Vietnam - they doubled up - and dropped more bombs then the combined total of all the bombs dropped in all theatres of WW2.

They used napalm and other chemical substances with the objective of deforestation of all living matter for generations.

Any battle between the West and Russia or Asia augurs humiliation.

The Israelis have shown that wars can be won decisively and gains can be held and expanded. Don't get me wrong - I am not cheering the Israelis at all - there behaviour is criminal. However, so is NATOs but if your going to behave like a criminal at least win!

The single military victory NATO can claim is Kuwait! And those odds were something like 1000 v 1

Any analysis of what a war with Russia might look like - does not augur well for anyone. If this sabre rattling, sanctions and bellicose language continues - all that is required for a serious escalation is a simple error - where a plane is shot down or a missile lands in the wrong place.

What I fear, is that nothing short of a Nuclear exchange will wake the zombified Western Public from its stupor. We are democracies by name only. Our media lies and distorts to enable our collective governments to behave immorally and illegally with impunity - not in our interests - but for the interests of defence contractors, mining companies and a conga line of crony capitalist keen to exploit and impoverish every available country.

But if a Nuclear Exchange occurs - the West will have entirely wasted its cultural capital - it will be the pariah and will turn on itself - marginalized and humiliated as psychopaths - the new world order will be led by China, India and Russia.

I would say the British showed plenty of resolve in WWII. And the British is a very good example - it is almost impossible to permanently conquer another nation.

1/ no one will allow it - see WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, etc. and
2/ it is very difficult to defeat a native population - they do have something to fight for and will fight their arses off to save it. See Great Britain and Russia as you have mentioned.

Sure Israel have got away with a bit of expansion but that is mainly because no one gives a s**t about the people they are persecuting and they are fairly influential with the self appointed world police.

I have no idea how a USA Russia conflict happens? Sure they can lob missiles at each other but other than that what else? Russia is not marching on the USA and the USA is not marching on Russia. And as long as the USA does not damage any Russian assets in Syria despite all the bluster I don't think Putin will give two shits what the USA blows up there.

Did Trump give the Russians notice of what he was doing this time?

 

[yebiga]

Is the What known? There is no conceivable What in Afghanistan. Even yebiga battled hardened Russians could not take Afghanistan. What the hell are/were the Americans doing there?



I would say the British showed plenty of resolve in WWII. And the British is a very good example - it is almost impossible to permanently conquer another nation.

1/ no one will allow it - see WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, etc. and
2/ it is very difficult to defeat a native population - they do have something to fight for and will fight their arses off to save it. See Great Britain and Russia as you have mentioned.

Sure Israel have got away with a bit of expansion but that is mainly because no one gives a s**t about the people they are persecuting and they are fairly influential with the self appointed world police.

I have no idea how a USA Russia conflict happens? Sure they can lob missiles at each other but other than that what else? Russia is not marching on the USA and the USA is not marching on Russia. And as long as the USA does not damage any Russian assets in Syria despite all the bluster I don't think Putin will give two shits what the USA blows up there.

Did Trump give the Russians notice of what he was doing this time?

No doubt he did
But when tensions are high - events can easily run out of control.

 

[HairyO]

Well then you've missed the point.

The Russian people in WW2 showed they have a resolve none could match.
The Germans were far better fighters - odds of 1 v 3 against and the Germans would still win or hold their own.
But the Russians simply numbers and sacrifice of lives - whatever the cost - won the entire World War on the battle field - the Yanks can essentially claim having provided the Russians with equipment.

As for Allied soldiers during WW2 - they often struggled to win when they had a 5 to 1 advantage. They have never shown a consistent resolve for the tough stuff ever since their own civil war.

In the battles post WW2: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq - the NATO forces have consistently shown themselves to lack the required grit. NATO dropped more bombs on Korea then all the bombs dropped in the Pacific during WW2! In Vietnam - they doubled up - and dropped more bombs then the combined total of all the bombs dropped in all theatres of WW2.

They used napalm and other chemical substances with the objective of deforestation of all living matter for generations.

Any battle between the West and Russia or Asia augurs humiliation.

The Israelis have shown that wars can be won decisively and gains can be held and expanded. Don't get me wrong - I am not cheering the Israelis at all - there behaviour is criminal. However, so is NATOs but if your going to behave like a criminal at least win!

The single military victory NATO can claim is Kuwait! And those odds were something like 1000 v 1

Any analysis of what a war with Russia might look like - does not augur well for anyone. If this sabre rattling, sanctions and bellicose language continues - all that is required for a serious escalation is a simple error - where a plane is shot down or a missile lands in the wrong place.

What I fear, is that nothing short of a Nuclear exchange will wake the zombified Western Public from its stupor. We are democracies by name only. Our media lies and distorts to enable our collective governments to behave immorally and illegally with impunity - not in our interests - but for the interests of defence contractors, mining companies and a conga line of crony capitalist keen to exploit and impoverish every available country.

But if a Nuclear Exchange occurs - the West will have entirely wasted its cultural capital - it will be the pariah and will turn on itself - marginalized and humiliated as psychopaths - the new world order will be led by China, India and Russia.

The Russian winter and Hitler being a terrible military leader is what won it.

Had they waited a few months they would not have needlessly wasted so many lives and lost so much equipment.