List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[Slattery_20]

Don't think we've seen anything we've liked so we talked Hille into staying on this year to bide time and maybe have a close look at someone like Sikora (who I don't think would be a particularly good choice). Not sure of contract status of some of the depth ruckmen around the AFL either who we could be waiting on.

I'm with you that we would've taken him; I just don't think it was such a 'spanner in the works' moment. If it was a big structural issue that they were properly worried about, we would've taken a ruck regardless.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we don't draft a ruck this year. I think it'd be a mistake not to, but I could easily see them going into 2014 with Ryder, Bellcho & Joe - with Hooker, Carlisle & Gumby as emergency plans.

 

[Towno78]

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We've had about 12 picks since, we certainly haven't taken a ruck & I don't even think we've looked closely at one?

Yes we did. JD. And more importantly, a ruck who is more a forward than a ruck which is both the opposite and the perfect complement to either Ryder or TBell.
Which is why I agree with your more recent comment that we won't be picking a ruck at the end of this year.

 

[Towno78]

I was thinking yesterday, despite us picking up Daniher, would we consider looking to take another forward/ruckmen? we can't put all our eggs in one basket.

TBell, Ryder and JD... That's 3 baskets by my count.

 

[eth-dog]

TBell, Ryder and JD... That's 3 baskets by my count.

A good list has 4-5 pure ruckmen, and 1-2 forward/rucks. We need more than those 3. A team ALWAYS needs a back-up. As it stands, I would go:

Ryder, Bellchambers/Gawn, Sikora and a development one

JD, Gumby

 

[Towno78]

A good list has 4-5 pure ruckmen, and 1-2 forward/rucks. We need more than those 3. A team ALWAYS needs a back-up. As it stands, I would go:

Ryder, Bellchambers/Gawn, Sikora and a development one

JD, Gumby

Riiiiight, so a good list has 5-7 players capable of rucking. Please name all of these "good lists" currently in the AFL, excluding the extended lists of GC and GWS.

Maybe 5 years ago, but with rotations as they are. Most have been on here harping on about us getting 2 ruckmen in the past 3 drafts. Yet our recruiters consistently disappoint those (not me) on that front. What's going to change this year? I'll happily place money that we don't pick up a single ruck in the upcoming draft (unforseen trades of current ruckmen on our list excluded)

 

[HirdyLannister]

You are delusional. I bet you he will be at Essendon next season.

Players like Maric, Jacobs, Mumford (not this season anyway for these 3), Hale are not premium rucks, (especially not Mumford, Hale or Maric) and they weren't premiums when they left their original club.

If you don't think it 'gels' you are wrong because the first 6-7 weeks of this season has shown that it does. There weren't any other rucks/ruck combos that were coming anywhere near them. Then Ryder got suspended for 3 weeks and Bellchambers rucked solo for 4 weeks and as result probably picked up a niggle or is being rested as a precaution to have him ready for the back half of the season.

It has been obvious that Hird has been very keen on the 2 rucking combo team ever since he started at the club. Bellchambers will be at the club for a very long time to come.

I don't even know why I'm making these points to you even though you have a reputation much maligned to sneakyjetta.

Congratulations for wanting to bet on it to try and improve your arguement it holds alot of weight on forums

How is TBC a premium ruckman he isn't even the number one ruckman at Essendon, he has been playing in the VFL the last few weeks and not even setting the world on fire. I personally think he is a very good ruckman and if he does go he will kill it for another club and that will suck but that's called life . . .

Ok ill list games played before leaving for the ruckman that have changed clubs, since you said none of them I mentioned wern't premiums and guessing they would struggle for game time.

Mumford - 18 games at Geelong before going to Sydney
Jacobs - 13 games at Carlton before going to Adelaide
Maric - 20/21/6 for the last 3 years at Adelaide before going to Richmond
Hale - 20/22/16/12 for the last 4 years at North Melbourne before going to Hawthorn
Jolly - 24/25/23/24/22 for the last 5 years at Sydney before going to Collingwood

You could maybe make the arguement with Hale that he was a forward at North Melbourne, that's why Hawthorn recruited Hale to play forward because roughy/buddy wern't cutting the mustard

Well it looks like they all were getting pretty good game time for their previous club until they all got pushed out by the club because they clearly wern't the number one ruckman anymore, that was back when having 4 on the bench so that you could be rotate and be rested. Now if a club is going to play a tall forward line as well as two rucks both ruckman have to be great in both departments like cox/nicnat and to a lesser extent Hale/Roughy.

The ruckman that have switched clubs wanted more of an oppitunity and who's to say TBC won't do the same. I have never said he is going only that he may go, an as history has shown it is quite possible he might go so that's why he is one of the few players at the end of year that has value to his name for trading, so that's why his name is dominating this thread. Like it or lump champ it's called being realistic for christ sake, I always knew people can't handle the truth and you are showing it.

Oh yes nice little attack with comparing me with sneakyjetta are you running out of steam with your discussion of TBC not going anywhere.

 

[eth-dog]

Riiiiight, so a good list has 5-7 players capable of rucking. Please name all of these "good lists" currently in the AFL, excluding the extended lists of GC and GWS.

Maybe 5 years ago, but with rotations as they are. Most have been on here harping on about us getting 2 ruckmen in the past 3 drafts. Yet our recruiters consistently disappoint those (not me) on that front. What's going to change this year? I'll happily place money that we don't pick up a single ruck in the upcoming draft (unforseen trades of current ruckmen on our list excluded)

Hawthorn has 6, Carlton 5, Dogs 5, Cats 7, Adelaide 6, Melbourne 7, Freo 6, NM 6, Brisbane 6, Collingwood 6, Port 5, Saints 7, Sydney 6, Richmond 5, Essendon 5. Only side absent are the Eagles.

Hille's going to retire. That leaves us with Ryder, Bellchambers, Gumbleton and Daniher, and even the two middle one's aren't guaranteed to stay.I'll happily place money that you're dead wrong

 

[NAB777]

If he doesn't get much gametime in the next few weeks, Bellchambers will walk. He thinks he is the best ruckman, and doesn't like it that others don't agree.

 

[JR95]

If he doesn't get much gametime in the next few weeks, Bellchambers will walk. He thinks he is the best ruckman, and doesn't like it that others don't agree.

Are you insinuating that you know him personally or have an inside source or something?

 

[fishardansin]

I have been told by my uncle who is the President of Northern Blues that we are looking at a player from there by the name of Kane Lambert, plays a midfield role.

Really? My sons play for Preston!! I've met Kane a few times and he's a great kid .... who is/was a bomber fan. They really rate him there and believe the only reason he's never been drafted is because of his height, , I'm180 and tower over him!

I'm also pretty sure he played Knights with Zaka and Hurls.

While everyone is talking bout players we need I think we have two glaring deficiencies. The really damaging small forward and that alround mid who is strong at contest/stoppage, has break away speed and can use it. They are rarer than hens teeth and we won't be able to trade for them.

Daingerfield or Ablett are the dream. Shuey or similar would be a great get. None of which will happen.

Thomas would be a great fit for us if he's healthy. He will add to marking ability, similar to Goddard, contests really well and has great speed and finishing. He isn't a big stoppage player but would work very well off Watson, Myers et al.

Not sure if we have the salary cap room.

We could trade Hooker or Gumby and play Hurley at the end that the one departing plays at. We could trade depth level players in which would probably be better for list profile and salary cap position.

Bellchambers could be traded for a massive pick upgrade and we could then get a young/depth ruckman, as above.

That way Hooker + Bellchambers + 2nd round pick = 2 picks in the teens. This combined with our first round pick could be three highly rated kids putting pressure on the whole list or traded for a very good mid. We could then add guys like Freezer with late picks or PSD.

The rookie list should be full of small forwards and rucks.

 

[NAB777]

Are you insinuating that you know him personally or have an inside source or something?

Don't know him personally but have heard a whisper or two.

 

[JR95]

Don't know him personally but have heard a whisper or two.

Please. Do tell.

 

[NAB777]

Please. Do tell.

He has a decent amount of self belief & wants to be first ruck. Unfortunately Paddy is the same.

It's an interesting one. I reckon he is a good player - too good to lose. Given the way the side is progressing, you'd like to think everyone would want to stay at the club - I am hoping that this is the carrot that could be used to keep him.

 

[Shane Mead]

I think Bellchambers is going to leave after this season. I don't think he is out of the team because of that but I feel Daniher is the way to go long term and Ryder is just so good when he is up and going as the number one ruckman. He is a guy is better when he has a chance to room around the ground he is able to get himself into the game in the later stages.

I am not sure where the club is at cap wise but I think we should hand out a 1 year contract to a quick, skillful half forward/mid from another team who could flourish in our system. Maybe they could organise a trade where Bully goes to which ever team he choose then we get a early draft pick and a young midfielder with polish.

I don't watch enough of the other sides to name names so if you agree, name some guys that could fit in one of these scenarios.

 

[Kakkle]

He has a decent amount of self belief & wants to be first ruck. Unfortunately Paddy is the same.

It's an interesting one. I reckon he is a good player - too good to lose. Given the way the side is progressing, you'd like to think everyone would want to stay at the club - I am hoping that this is the carrot that could be used to keep him.

I can back this up. Work with a girl who has a child hood friend of TBC, and still remain close. Very self determined and arrogant. But LOVES playing for Essendon and playing with his mates.

 

[Phone]

I'm with you that we would've taken him; I just don't think it was such a 'spanner in the works' moment. If it was a big structural issue that they were properly worried about, we would've taken a ruck regardless.

If we intended on Campbell playing such a part, we would have taken him with the first rookie pick we had tbh

 

[EnolaGay]

He has a decent amount of self belief & wants to be first ruck.

Don't most AFL standard players? (in their respective positions) All of them want to be in the seniors and not playing VFL.

In regards to TBC, we'll know by the end of the season where he fits in - quite conceivably he could play every game post bye, and he and Paddy tear it up. Conversely, he could be in & out of the team....in which case if we speculate he/we would have to consider what's out there at season's end. I'd think that GWS would be a good fit for TBC and they may have the midfielders/small forward(s) that we're in need of, impacted further by their need to reduce their list, homesick kids and their need to manage their cap to re-sign their up and coming champs.

 

[Shane Mead]

Don't most AFL standard players? (in their respective positions) All of them want to be in the seniors and not playing VFL.

In regards to TBC, we'll know by the end of the season where he fits in - quite conceivably he could play every game post bye, and he and Paddy tear it up. Conversely, he could be in & out of the team....in which case if we speculate he/we would have to consider what's out there at season's end. I'd think that GWS would be a good fit for TBC and they may have the midfielders/small forward(s) that we're in need of, impacted further by their need to reduce their list, homesick kids and their need to manage their cap to re-sign their up and coming champs.

The team will suffer with Belly, Ryder and Daniher in the side when Hurley is healthy.

 

[Phone]

so the answer is clearly poisoning hurley

 

[Darealrath]

It's a bit of a worry that our depth could cost us Pears, Gumby and Bellchambers. Fletcher retiring will hopefully be enough for Pears to stay but I think one of the other two will go due to lack of opportunity. We could really cash in on Bellchambers but I still think he and Ryder can work with Daniher as a permanent forward.

 

[daz17]

Is it better for us to keep these talls as depth, or trade some to strengthen other areas?

 

[Darealrath]

Is it better for us to keep these talls as depth, or trade some to strengthen other areas?

Taking emotion out of it, it makes sense to trade one.

Trading Gumby would probably be best for us and him. Bellchambers would be a bigger risk to us but could potentially net us a gun. Others will probably say Hooker but I'm a big fan.

 

[The Speaker]

Trading talls, especially ruckmen, is not a good thing.

 

[Eleven 38]

I wouldnt trade any talls unless they ask to leave, and even then my first option would be to convince them to stay!

I know its been a while since we've had any sort of success, but one of the ways you build success is to keep your list together and build as much depth as you can. Also you teach your players to back themselves and believe that they can make the senior team and win grand finals.

We do not have a best 22 yet that can win a premiership, but we do have a group of 10 talls that can. If we lose any of them at the end of the year we are going to need another one to replace them. we need to keep them all for atleast the next 2-3years to give us a great chance to win a premiership.

 

[DONatron]

All I know is if the club is at all thinking about a TBC trade (which I would despise) better get something really good in return, he is a very good player and last year GC traded Hickey who is still that project sort to the Saints and got pick #13 along with the exchanging of other picks, but if he is worth that surely we could get something the same or even better like top 10.