Player comparison thread

[Colin D'Cops]

Mattner: Id stay well away. With malceski, kennelly, heath shaw all in the team, i think his scoring and output may be influenced a bit.

Some good summaries there Lakey, though I think you got the Shaw brothers mixed up buddy.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Too bad Heath isn't in the team

Beat me to it. Damn!

 

[dzeRnumbrd]

To be honest guys, dont know all that much about how the swans are travelling in terms of DT potential.

Im not the best judge, as i dont get to see them play that often (usually have football all saturday arvo making it hard to get to both arvo games and night games - 2.5 hour drive from where i am).

Just my thoughts...

Cheers for the thoughts anyway...
Thanks

 

[Lakey91]

You know, thats the fourth time ive mixed up the shaw brothers. I know its rhyce and i know who they are, but just always right heath. Maybe im too embaressed to right rhyce, or maybe i right what i wish i could be!

Edited now

 

[Walesy]

You know, thats the fourth time ive mixed up the shaw brothers. I know its rhyce and i know who they are, but just always right heath. Maybe im too embaressed to right rhyce, or maybe i right what i wish i could be!

Edited now

Perhaps you could just write Agro? Then at least I would know who you're talking about...

 

[NT.Thunder]

I am finding it hard to only fit one of these blokes in my team...

Gram v Walker

How about now Spence.....

 

[sdsdsdsd]

Looks like Walker is injured and shuld miss a large amount of the season. Quite sad

Anyone have any news on Ellis?, Think he will have a good year, also carrying an injury.

Have the option of Kornes/Cross vs Selwood/ABC thought?

 

[Cartman121]

Selwood + ABC everytime. One of ABC will provide an elite captain option, and there is still room for improvement in Selwood.

 

[adam10]

Selwood + ABC everytime. One of ABC will provide an elite captain option, and there is still room for improvement in Selwood.

Well i heard he might even be getting 20% more TOG. Which could only mean more scores and possibly a brownlow?

 

[Virgil]

Well i heard he might even be getting 20% more TOG. Which could only mean more scores and possibly a brownlow?

*Could* potentially get 20% more midfield time, but his overall TOG was 78% last year, so a 20% increase on overall TOG is unrealistic.

 

[Cartman121]

*Could* potentially get 20% more midfield time, but his overall TOG was 78% last year, so a 20% increase on overall TOG is unrealistic.

Unrealistic yes, but possible

 

[drummoyne]

Regarding Joel Selwood;

I am not convinced that an increase in TOG automatically will lead to a rise in scoring. The 'impact' style of player (think Dane Swan, Daniel Kerr) spend lots of quality time on the pine though it keeps them fresh. In Danes case especially it has lead to fantastic scores over the past 3 years due to his ability to make it to so many contests, break his tag and win the ball. The fantastic thing about Joel Selwood is you would expect him to recieve very little attention in that Geelong midfield.

 

[54Dogs]

Regarding Joel Selwood;

I am not convinced that an increase in TOG automatically will lead to a rise in scoring. The 'impact' style of player (think Dane Swan, Daniel Kerr) spend lots of quality time on the pine though it keeps them fresh. In Danes case especially it has lead to fantastic scores over the past 3 years due to his ability to make it to so many contests, break his tag and win the ball. The fantastic thing about Joel Selwood is you would expect him to recieve very little attention in that Geelong midfield.

Agree D88

Swan actually increased his TOG by 10-15% in one of those years (I think 2007) and still scored the same.

 

[Lakey91]

*Could* potentially get 20% more midfield time, but his overall TOG was 78% last year, so a 20% increase on overall TOG is unrealistic.

2008 TOG statistics:

Selwood: 78%
Ablett: 86%
Bartel: 88%
Corey: 86%

I think Selwood may increase to around 85% in line with other geelong mids.

Selwood in 2008, scored 1912 points in 21 games. IF his TOG increased to 85% and he stayed at same level (doesnt improve - unlikely i know) he would score ~2084 pts, at an average of 99.21 (if my maths is correct).

So fair bit of upside in terms of TOG...

 

[Virgil]

2008 TOG statistics:

Selwood: 78%
Ablett: 86%
Bartel: 88%
Corey: 86%

I think Selwood may increase to around 85% in line with other geelong mids.

Selwood in 2008, scored 1912 points in 21 games. IF his TOG increased to 85% and he stayed at same level (doesnt improve - unlikely i know) he would score ~2084 pts, at an average of 99.21 (if my maths is correct).

So fair bit of upside in terms of TOG...

Yep, I got the same figures Lakey, it really is quite stunning. The question is whether Geelong can keep up those sorts of numbers (can they really be that dominant three years running?).

Definitely one to keep an eye on.

 

[drummoyne]

What are peoples thoughts on Clinton Jones? Averaged 73 last season though for the last 114 games of the H and A season he averaged 80. With the retirement of Robert Harvey could possibly see more time in the middle. I have read reports about how good he has been at training this preseason (has not missed a single session). He could be a very unique pick in the mid-priced midfielders I think.

 

[Hirdy_5]

What are peoples thoughts on Clinton Jones? Averaged 73 last season though for the last 114 games of the H and A season he averaged 80. With the retirement of Robert Harvey could possibly see more time in the middle. I have read reports about how good he has been at training this preseason (has not missed a single session). He could be a very unique pick in the mid-priced midfielders I think.

Would make a very unique pick. I read the same report in today's Herald, were it went on to say that he had added some size and had been working on his endurance, but at the end of the artical it went on to say that Lyon wanted him to continue his tagging roles from 08'. Averaged 73 in 08' so he is awkwardly priced at $326,800, the added time in the center you would think he can lift his average to maybe around to 80 mark. Just don't like the sound of him being a tagger and to add IMO there are some better options for a little bit more cash.

 

[54Dogs]

2008 TOG statistics:

Selwood: 78%
Ablett: 86%
Bartel: 88%
Corey: 86%

I think Selwood may increase to around 85% in line with other geelong mids.

Selwood in 2008, scored 1912 points in 21 games. IF his TOG increased to 85% and he stayed at same level (doesnt improve - unlikely i know) he would score ~2084 pts, at an average of 99.21 (if my maths is correct).

So fair bit of upside in terms of TOG...

Doesn't always work out that way Lakey.

In 2006 Swan had 72% TOG and avergaed 102

In 2007 he had 81% TOG and averaged 102

In 2008 he had 75% TOG and averaged 100

Some play with better intensity in short sharp bursts and others use there tank with more TOG.

 

[Lakey91]

Yep exactly dogs. Also, lots of 'ifs' - tags, injury, a plateau, poor fitness, role change (inside/outside, HB, Wing etc) all make that projection far from certainty. Just showing what his average could potentially increase to if his output/tog rose to about the same level as ABC.

 

[Lakey91]

This is a bit of a random player comparison, due to the different price range and pretty different scenarios but here goes:

Myers v Adcock v Malceski

Myers (268k) - second year player, could run through MF, ave 60.4, showed a bit scoring 82, 71 and 89 during his 8 matches.

Malceski (299k) - potential DT gun, averaged 86.8 in 2007, but just 67.3 in 2008 due to his injury. Potential to improve, and still produced a 134 and 114 last year to show his potential.

Adcock (314k) - VC, to play midfield again, poor season in 2008 (ave 70.7) especially after 2007 (ave 88.6). Training well and should improve, also a back.

What do you order them in?

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

This is a bit of a random player comparison, due to the different price range and pretty different scenarios but here goes:

Myers v Adcock v Malceski

Myers (268k) - second year player, could run through MF, ave 60.4, showed a bit scoring 82, 71 and 89 during his 8 matches.

Malceski (299k) - potential DT gun, averaged 86.8 in 2007, but just 67.3 in 2008 due to his injury. Potential to improve, and still produced a 134 and 114 last year to show his potential.

Adcock (314k) - VC, to play midfield again, poor season in 2008 (ave 70.7) especially after 2007 (ave 88.6). Training well and should improve, also a back.

What do you order them in?

Malceski
Adcock
Myers

Can't really decide between Adcock and Malceski, I reckon they're pretty even.

 

[lifelike_]

Very hard to split Malceski and Adcock. Both could turn out to be excellent value but both have differing concerns over whether or not they'll return to old form this year.

Myers a clear third, but he'll be an excellent fantasy player in years to come.

 

[Daz]

Myers v Adcock v Malceski

Myers (268k) - second year player, could run through MF, ave 60.4, showed a bit scoring 82, 71 and 89 during his 8 matches.

I had Myers in my team last year and I could be wrong here but I think he scored better in the backline. Knights seemed very keen to give him a run through the midfield but his best DT work was done in the backline racking up marks and kicks. I think his role could be something worth watching in the NAB Cup.

 

[NT.Thunder]

It's funny you know, but when you read the Bombers board very few actually have Myers in the best 22..........Unbelievable really.

 

[Lakey91]

Adcock just ahead on durability?