Player comparison thread

[Buddyman]

I can see Grimes having a Palmer like year in a year or two, its a bit of a gut feeling and also the memory of watching him rack it up in the juniors one day!

 

[Knight Ryders]

I think I remember a report saying Monfries having 45 possies in an U/16 carnival match for SA. He's never really replicated that at senior level. Grimes could be similar.

 

[Hirdy_5]

I think I remember a report saying Monfries having 45 possies in an U/16 carnival match for SA. He's never really replicated that at senior level. Grimes could be similar.

It's interseting you bring up Monfries as he is one player that is on my short list. With Knights saying that he will give every chance to play all for big men ( Neagle, Lloyd, Lucas, Gumbleton ) and adding that he would throw in Mcphee and the resting ruck, im not sure how Monfries will be effected. It could be a positive move, mean Monfries plays up the ground maybe on the wings with a bit of a run ont he ball, or in turn it coud be bad news, meaning he is pushed out of the 22 as their is no spot for him. IMO Knights is probley wanting him to become the winger/on baller rather than staying mostly around the 50m mark.

Fairly durable player missing 6 games in 3 years and i know alot of people were disapointed by him in 08' with last years pre season hype but he is one to keep in mind being around that price range alot with Thomas, Cloke ect, if your looking for a mid priced foward.

 

[Daz]

It's interseting you bring up Monfries as he is one player that is on my short list. With Knights saying that he will give every chance to play all for big men ( Neagle, Lloyd, Lucas, Gumbleton ) and adding that he would throw in Mcphee and the resting ruck, im not sure how Monfries will be effected. It could be a positive move, mean Monfries plays up the ground maybe on the wings with a bit of a run ont he ball, or in turn it coud be bad news, meaning he is pushed out of the 22 as their is no spot for him. IMO Knights is probley wanting him to become the winger/on baller rather than staying mostly around the 50m mark.

Fairly durable player missing 6 games in 3 years and i know alot of people were disapointed by him in 08' with last years pre season hype but he is one to keep in mind being around that price range alot with Thomas, Cloke ect, if your looking for a mid priced foward.

IMO, Monfries didn't show enough in 2008 from a DT point of view. With all the injuries the Bombers had it was a perfect opportunity for him to make his mark in the midfield. Also, the fact that in round 1 with a full strength team he was not selected probably shows Knights is not a big fan.

 

[Walesy]

IMO, Monfries didn't show enough in 2008 from a DT point of view. With all the injuries the Bombers had it was a perfect opportunity for him to make his mark in the midfield. Also, the fact that in round 1 with a full strength team he was not selected probably shows Knights is not a big fan.

Aye, while I believe he was drafted as a future mid-fielder- he seems to have found his niche as one of those annoying forward-line-taggers...

 

[adam10]

Aye, while I believe he was drafted as a future mid-fielder- he seems to have found his niche as one of those annoying forward-line-taggers...

One of the things most dream team players hate:

Forward Line Taggers (cough "Heath Shaw" cough)

 

[chadleverington]

http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tarrant-to-change-role-62941

Harvey, though, said he would use the pre-season matches to fine tune his squad's fitness going into Round 1 and added that new draftees Stephen Hill and Nick Suban could have the conditioning to play against Richmond, in the club's first NAB Cup hit-out at Subiaco on February 15.

"Without putting too much pressure on a younger player Suban (pick 24 in the National Draft) and Hill (pick three), have a really good footballing instinct," Harvey said.


"Not to say the other guys (draftees) don't, but they're the guys that have stood out a little over the last few weeks."

Sounds great for Suban who could be the only back rookie playing in round 1. Interesting that Ballantyne didn't get a mention.

 

[Daz]

http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/tarrant-to-change-role-62941




Sounds great for Suban who could be the only back rookie playing in round 1. Interesting that Ballantyne didn't get a mention.

Nice find Chad. I wouldn't worry about Ballantyne. He will be treated completely differently to the other draftees. The other reason why he didn't get a mention would be he had a pin taken from his wrist so wouldn't have done much training.

 

[chadleverington]

Nice find Chad. I wouldn't worry about Ballantyne. He will be treated completely differently to the other draftees. The other reason why he didn't get a mention would be he had a pin taken from his wrist so wouldn't have done much training.

Ah didn't know about the pin. Will be still be right to do normal training?

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

Personally just not sure why they wouldn't give Strauss a guernsey in Round 1. I think he is a better player than Grimes and from what I've seen is fair superior kicking wise than either Jack or Ricky. Yes he has a few years less development but Strauss seems to play above his age. He is very sure of himself on the field, arrogant if you like and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. He is physically mature enough to play also and has no troubles endurance wise. I'd play him and I can fit him into the Dees line-up but maybe my bias kicks in a little. We'll just have to wait an see but he is pretty much a lock from me at this stage.

I agree with this report. Melbourne targeted players who can kick in this draft as this was visibly lacking in 2008. No reason not to give him plenty of games in 09, he is an early back defender for mine. He is also more physically developed than Blease, but Bail may be the trump card of the lot.

 

[Cruiser23]

I agree with this report. Melbourne targeted players who can kick in this draft as this was visibly lacking in 2008. No reason not to give him plenty of games in 09, he is an early back defender for mine. He is also more physically developed than Blease, but Bail may be the trump card of the lot.

I've actually never seen Bail play, can you give us a little report on him? I know he is more mature, 20 i think and from Mount Gravatt but that is about it.

 

[Bond.ShaneBond]

I've actually never seen Bail play, can you give us a little report on him? I know he is more mature, 20 i think and from Mount Gravatt but that is about it.

I haven't seen much either, just from what I read after we drafted him he seemed the most likely to play from our crop. Mature aged, did well in the AFLQ medal, I can't remember what it is called. Wingman with elite endurance, I'm not sure on his disposal but I don't think he is as good a kick as the rest of our picks(that is just a feeling that I read it somewhere, nothing concrete.) Earned his spot on the list so is the type you want to succeed, definitely worth a look in the NAB cup and may add to the depth in the fwd/mid rookies.

 

[Cruiser23]

I haven't seen much either, just from what I read after we drafted him he seemed the most likely to play from our crop. Mature aged, did well in the AFLQ medal, I can't remember what it is called. Wingman with elite endurance, I'm not sure on his disposal but I don't think he is as good a kick as the rest of our picks(that is just a feeling that I read it somewhere, nothing concrete.) Earned his spot on the list so is the type you want to succeed, definitely worth a look in the NAB cup and may add to the depth in the fwd/mid rookies.

Ah, so it sounds like he'd be pushing for a wing/HFF spot rather than HBF. Thanks mate.

 

[Lakey91]

This threads been pretty quiet recently, so thought id bump it a bit for this player comparison:

Adam Mcphee ($343,600) v Ryan Hargrave($333,300) v David Mundy ($324,100)

Got some basic info on them all:

Adam Mcphee:

2004 – 76.3 – 21 games – 2 tonnes
2005 – 83.9 – 14 games - 3 tonnes
2006 – 78.3 – 20 games – 4 tonnes
2007 – 89.4 – 22 games – 7 tonnes
2008 – 74.6 – 20 games – 2 tonnes

- 26 years old.
- He is quite durable.
- Averages seem to oscilate between mid 70s and mid-high 80s over the last 5 years.
- Unsure if this trend can continue.
- Unsure what role he will play in 2009 – HF? HB? When has he scored best?

Ryan Hargrave:

2002 – 39.6 – 19 games
2003 – 44.8 – 19 games
2004 – 40.6 – 14 games
2005 – 54.0 – 20 games
2006 – 55.8 – 20 games
2007 – 71.3 – 22 games – 3 tonnes
2008 – 72.4 – 22 games – 3 tonnes

- Turning 28 in July.
- Very durable over last 4 or so seasons.
- Interestingly averaged 87 over the last 13 rounds of 2008, but admittedly he also only averaged 51.33 over the first 9.
- If you graph hargraves yearly averages in an excell spreadsheet, you (IMO) see a pattern of sort of plateaus and breakouts (ie years 2005 and 2007 were breakouts). As you can see, it is warranted to infer that this trend could continue in 2008 – something which IMO his finish to 2008 also points to. The important question is, why did these breakouts occur?

David Mundy:

2005 – 58.4 – 17 games
2006 – 66.8 – 22 games - 2 tonnes
2007 – 68.0 – 22 games – 2 tonnes
2008 – 70.4 – 22 games – 3 tonnes

- Turning 24 in July.
- Very very durable.
- Averaged 78.83 over the last 6 matches of 2008.
- Steady improver, year after year.


IMO, its very hard to differentiate between them - i think all are keepers. Mundy probably has the least potential to improve in him, though he is very very durable. Hargrave and Mcphee could both average low 80s i would think, but im unsure why hargrave had a significant increase in scoring during the second half of 2008.

Anyone else have thoughts?

 

[Lakey91]

Also, heres there 2008 TOG stats:

Hargrave 96%
Mcphee 92%
Mundy 84%

Just to bring mundy right back into the picture in the comparison.

 

[Athomas]

Interesting.

I had Mcphee and Hargrave, but lately switched Mcphee for C Johnson (after his great finish to the year [had him in PDT]).

Basically atm, those 3 are battling for 2 positions, and Mcphee does look very durable.

Although some say the following logic is stupid, I think I wil lstick with Hargrave atm as I have no other dogs players but 2-3 other essendon players.

 

[Stormer]

I like Mundy the most outta them.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Anyone else have thoughts?

Mundy is also coming into his 5th year and should move into the midfield. With the mass exit from the Dockers, surely Mundy's TOG should also increase and this should help his output.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

I was planning to have Mundy, but don't think I will anymore.

 

[SELFCONFESDAFLNERD]

Also, heres there 2008 TOG stats:

Hargrave 96%
Mcphee 92%
Mundy 84%

Just to bring mundy right back into the picture in the comparison.

Great work Lakey, i'd like to see what % of that TOG from Mundy was played in the midfield last year cause i don't think he's too likely to increase on 84%.

I did a comparison of the 4 Carlton mids, Gibbs (when relevant),Murphy,Judd & Stevens on my other computer.

However, i couldn't post the graph from excel and then all my microsoft programs on the other computer became locked (hadn't used the disc to install them i'm pretty sure so it was a trial period that ran out i think).

IIRC i found there was a correlation between Judd and M.Murphy. Each time Judd got over 100 (9 times) points, Murphy got less than his average of 97/98 at an average of something like 85 (IIRC) points.

Can't remember much else though....

I'd like to here people's thoughts on some mid-range forwards who ahve not been discussed often.....

Gray V Jones (Will he step up in the absence of Grant?) V M.Morton

 

[Stormer]

Also, heres there 2008 TOG stats:

Hargrave 96%
Mcphee 92%
Mundy 84%

Just to bring mundy right back into the picture in the comparison.

can you tell me where I can get TOG stats?

 

[Lakey91]

can you tell me where I can get TOG stats?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/club/index/

Click on the team of the player your interested in, then scroll down and click on their name (on left hand side) - comes up with full player profile.

I was planning to have Mundy, but don't think I will anymore.

Why is this?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I would rate in order

Mundy
Mcphee
Hargrave

Mundy could well find himself into my team, has all the attributes to be a premium scorer. Marks, tackles (enough) and loves to bloody kick. Also plays that midfield/HBF role similar to a Goddard.

He also is yet to have his BE season, not saying he will have one but i think he will IMO. I think he has to go from that steadily increase to a gun one day. He has to go from avg 70 flat to avg of 85/90. When that happens is unsure, maybe when he gets some sort of engine good enough for 90-95% of TOG whilst he plays alot more of that as a mid. He only has a 84% TOG which is quite low for a mainly HBF who doesnt man up or play defensive roles , its due to his engine, hes just not fit enough.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Pfft, m0nty can look at my Planteam all he wants. If I don't like it I'll hit up the spreadsheets.

 

[Ollies]

Lets get back to it.

Cotchin vs Masten vs Cale Morton vs Houli

Cotchin

Interupted pre season with ankle IIRC so came in perhaps a little underdone
Averaged 68.5 from 15 games

Masten

Suspended by club for off field indiscretions during lead up. Played 9 games averaging 69 before injury

Houli

Good start after a couple of games in 2007. Looks suited to quarterback type role. Played 10 averaging 73.4

Cale Morton

Bulit like a stick and probably would not have played as many games at other clubs. Played 19 at 73.4 and somewhat surprisingly for his build finished the season quite strongly.

All these have made a good start to their careers and could well step up in 2009.

My preferences

Morton---still gets plenty of games and a full pre season to build on that frame

Masten-- a future gun but support around him is an issue

Cotchin--may be a victim of a packed midfield and be squeezed out to a flank. Early signs of soft tissue injuries

Houli---again durability issues? but could well be a real Dt star in next year or two.