Player comparison thread

[longytap]

It's funny you know, but when you read the Bombers board very few actually have Myers in the best 22..........Unbelievable really.

I know it is unbelievable, he's a certainty i would think. if he's fit knights will want to get games into him. I'd pick him in the backline ahead of NLM,Nash and Dempsey thats for sure

 

[saintgary]

Van berlo ($377k) or Boak(369k)?

Who would you get? Both expected to improve, but Van berlo is much more durable, playing fullseasons the last two years and Boak played 17 laast year and 11 the year before...

 

[spence]

Van berlo ($377k) or Boak(369k)?

Who would you get? Both expected to improve, but Van berlo is much more durable, playing fullseasons the last two years and Boak played 17 laast year and 11 the year before...

There's your answer.

Plus i think Van Berlo will be given much more opportunity from Craig to dominate this year. Boak will not get as much opportunity.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

It's funny you know, but when you read the Bombers board very few actually have Myers in the best 22..........Unbelievable really.

If Myers is fit, he'll be in the 22 all year. No worries about that. Knights loves him, and rightly so.

 

[drummoyne]

If Myers is fit, he'll be in the 22 all year. No worries about that. Knights loves him, and rightly so.

Where have I heard that before?

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Where have I heard that before?

Hmm, not sure what you're referring to here. He loves the kids with potential, and if they're match ready he'll put them in the thick of things. Simple as that.

 

[chadleverington]

There's your answer.

Plus i think Van Berlo will be given much more opportunity from Craig to dominate this year. Boak will not get as much opportunity.

That's hogwash. Boak will get plenty of opportunity. He is the second highest draft pick we have ever had (#5) and his spot is locked into the 22.

 

[Hirdy_5]

Hmm, not sure what you're referring to here. He loves the kids with potential, and if they're match ready he'll put them in the thick of things. Simple as that.

Referring to Dyson of last pre season, were the word was Dyson was ripping the track up and he was Knight's love child.

 

[drummoyne]

Referring to Dyson of last pre season, were the word was Dyson was ripping the track up and he was Knight's love child.

Exactly. Though in this case I see a little more potential in Myers going into 2009..

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Referring to Dyson of last pre season, were the word was Dyson was ripping the track up and he was Knight's love child.

That's fair enough.

But you can't go off much else but Knights' word unless you're inside the club.

Dyson was never going to be a great fantasy player anyway, not sure why so many jumped on board.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Malceski vs Myers vs Ad****

The first thing you have to do, is ask yourself are you picking them to become a keeper or a money maker.

I would think at their price range you would be thinking they would all make money but all would be selected as intended keepers.

With a keeper you want them playing as many games as possible during the year, thus having great durability. I see 1 player with great durability and the other 2 with poor durability only IMO.

Also you need to ask yourself what is a keeper worht in your backline. If you think to become a keeper you need to avg 90+ in the backs than none probably have the ability to become a keeper, whilst if you think 70+ is a keeper than probably all have the ability to be a keeper for 09. (The amount changes for each person and each side however they are usually fairly similar)

Than you have to ask yourself how much improvment each player has. This comes down to potential in the next year. Myers in 3 years time may have the potential to avg 95 whereas as Adcock may have a limit of 85 for example. But the next year you may see Malceski with more potential with scoring than the other 2.

So at the end of this, ask yourself
- Am i selecting them to be a keeper or not?
- whats a keeper in the backs? (50 or 60 or 70 or 100 avg)
- Look at the durability (even more important if their an intended keeper)
- You have what you think is your score for a keeper (80+ example), now ask yourself which one has the potential to score this in 09. If myers and Adcock IYO cant score this than dont pick them as your picking them to be a keeper.

note: by saying that durability is even more important for an intended keeper. I mean say Myers avgs 80 but only plays 18 games = 1440 points overall. Adcock may be more durable thus he plays 22 games and avg 75 = 1650. Thus Adcock gives your side an extra 210 poits even though he avgs 5 less than Myers. This also means consider your emergencies (will they play and score well or not). You may have a very good bench player scoring 60 eack week which would be required to beat Adcock and fill in the 4 games missed by Myers.

I will also give some good advice to CHADleverigton. I think youre getting to caught up with your sides players, i have read post from you and you quickly start labelling great ability of players such as Cornes, Boak and Davenport. Sure they may have great potential but dont get caught up with the team bias factor. I know its extremely hard to do which is another factor of DT, as i see people like DW, Scan also get caught up with kangaroos players howeve they look at both positive and negative with players such as (MAC and Swallow) heavily discussed roo players. I know a few years ago i was the same i got caught up in selecting players from essendon now this factor is no longer in my head when choosing players. Everyone at the end of the day loves players from their own side and see the extra potenital (whether their or not) more than others.

I agree that CHAD, davenport and Boak are all good picks but their could be better, im just noting this to you (no attack at all). It will benefit you the more.

Van Berlo vs Boak

Obviousily you would be picking them as keepers. Which means take note of their durability even more than just a money maker (Cash cow) or mid pricer.

Also look at their potenital, role changes excetra.

I think Boak has the same potential as VB to score 95 avg one day. But the decision if needed to be made would come down to their injury worries and niggling injuries. As said i would much more want a VB avg 85 over 22 games than a Boak avg 95 over 16 games. Helps with trades as well. VB is the safer option in the comparison but Boak may have a little higher risk reward, although i dont see and greater reward than what VB could give you. I would always take VB ahead of Boak because of the safety factor and durability. He also unlikely to get too many tags and both would have the same chance of getting a tag. Both are in 22, so just consider role changes and durability when deciding on keepers as you dont want to be trading out too many intended keepers.

 

[chadleverington]

I will also give some good advice to CHADleverigton. I think youre getting to caught up with your sides players, i have read post from you and you quickly start labelling great ability of players such as Cornes, Boak and Davenport. Sure they may have great potential but dont get caught up with the team bias factor. I know its extremely hard to do which is another factor of DT, as i see people like DW, Scan also get caught up with kangaroos players howeve they look at both positive and negative with players such as (MAC and Swallow) heavily discussed roo players. I know a few years ago i was the same i got caught up in selecting players from essendon now this factor is no longer in my head when choosing players. Everyone at the end of the day loves players from their own side and see the extra potenital (whether their or not) more than others.

I agree that CHAD, davenport and Boak are all good picks but their could be better, im just noting this to you (no attack at all). It will benefit you the more.

I am not taking them because i go for port adelaide, i am taking Chad Cornes because i think he is under priced and capable of averaging above his price (value). Davenport will get games at port which is more than i can say for some of the other back rookies due to our crappy backline and is a proven DT scorer in the VFL, AFL ready.

Boak you could argue i am bias towards. I guess it is partly the trainings that are making me lean towards Boak (Put on a stack of muscle and still running PB's) and that he will get more TOG this year.

The other thing about Chad in the backs is that, with the nice positions (chad still a back, Carazzo a back, adcock back) I think that the "premium" defender will now need to average more. Last year an average of 81 would get you a top 7 back (Newman). Does the Premium Back now need to average 85 to 90?

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

I am not taking them because i go for port adelaide, i am taking Chad Cornes because i think he is under priced and capable of averaging above his price (value). Davenport will get games at port which is more than i can say for some of the other back rookies due to our crappy backline and is a proven DT scorer in the VFL, AFL ready.

Boak you could argue i am bias towards. I guess it is partly the trainings that are making me lean towards Boak (Put on a stack of muscle and still running PB's) and that he will get more TOG this year.

I have Davenport/Chad and highly considering Boak (although I'll probably take Gibbs instead), so I wouldn't say you were being biased.

 

[chadleverington]

I have Davenport/Chad and highly considering Boak (although I'll probably take Gibbs instead), so I wouldn't say you were being biased.

Cheers. Yeh Gibbs is 18k more, but a better prospect than Boak.

 

[spence]

That's hogwash. Boak will get plenty of opportunity. He is the second highest draft pick we have ever had (#5) and his spot is locked into the 22.

Boak is obviously in Port's 22, and a very good player. However I think Van Berlo will get more opportunity in the midfield. He has smashed time trial records and improved his fitness. He has gained some experience and i think he will line up next to Thompson as number 1 and 2 midfielders. Boak on the other hand i think will get opportunity however i do not think he will gain as much as Van Berlo, Boak does not has as much expirience as Van Berlo. They will both improve their average, however Van Berlo will improve by more because Boak will be rotated throught the bench and midfield more than Van Berlo will, and he will not receive as much TOG. I still expect him to average 90+ but i do not think he can average 100+. Van Berlo could average 105+ If luck goes his way.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Im just saying dont get caught up in the bias of supporting port look at both options just as much. I however think that you have maybe looked at Chad and Davenport higher than player like enright and Petrenko.

I just cant see why anyoen would pick Boak ahead of VB only IMO.

Im just giving you note just to remember about the bias factor becasue it can affect your side for the bad. Supporters love their own players most of them 10x more than any other players from other sides.

Im only trying to help you. Impicking Davenport ATM and C.Cornes is borderline but as i have said keepers need to be durable.

FWIW, i think a keeper last year was a player avg over 70 because many sides still had Ibbo in them that were top 10. I thought 75 was a keeper value and im not changing it much. It might go up a little with players like Scottland, Carazzo, C.Cornes, Enright, Doughty as backs but at the end of the day their are players all at the same price that could still avg the same so im saying 75+ as a back in 09 and your a keeper. It however will change during the year. If J.W.S avg's 75 i dont see any need to trade him out unless you have trades to do it with, he could potentially be a keeper IMO. Unlikley though as he isnt durable and i reckon he will miss too many games.

 

[chadleverington]

Im just saying dont get caught up in the bias of supporting port look at both options just as much. I however think that you have maybe looked at Chad and Davenport higher than player like enright and Petrenko.

I just cant see why anyoen would pick Boak ahead of VB only IMO.

Im just giving you note just to remember about the bias factor becasue it can affect your side for the bad. Supporters love their own players most of them 10x more than any other players from other sides.

Im only trying to help you. Impicking Davenport ATM and C.Cornes is borderline but as i have said keepers need to be durable.

FWIW, i think a keeper last year was a player avg over 70 because many sides still had Ibbo in them that were top 10. I thought 75 was a keeper value and im not changing it much. It might go up a little with players like Scottland, Carazzo, C.Cornes, Enright, Doughty as backs but at the end of the day their are players all at the same price that could still avg the same so im saying 75+ as a back in 09 and your a keeper. It however will change during the year. If J.W.S avg's 75 i dont see any need to trade him out unless you have trades to do it with, he could potentially be a keeper IMO. Unlikley though as he isnt durable and i reckon he will miss too many games.

Appreciate you offering your help. FWIIW I have Enright and Petrenko Picking players from your own club can help in that you get to see them more often, at trainings, games etc. But you do have to be careful.

I only have 3 Port players at the moment, and not looking at any others (Cornes,Kornes and Davenport)

Time will tell, but Boak is a top 5 draft pick, and VB is not a first rounder VB is pretty much at his peak IMO.

 

[Lakey91]

Gibbs > VB >>> Boak IMO.

Chad i agree. I think back keepers need to have a higher average now.

I think a good final back line would have averages something like:

90+ (goddard/chad)
90+ (fisher)
90+ (hodge)
80+ (newman)
80+ (birchall)
75+ (mundy)
75+ (gilbee?)

Average ~83+

Im looking to start one player to average 90+, two to average 80+ and two to average 75+

 

[Lakey91]

Boak is obviously in Port's 22, and a very good player. However I think Van Berlo will get more opportunity in the midfield. He has smashed time trial records and improved his fitness. He has gained some experience and i think he will line up next to Thompson as number 1 and 2 midfielders. Boak on the other hand i think will get opportunity however i do not think he will gain as much as Van Berlo, Boak does not has as much expirience as Van Berlo. They will both improve their average, however Van Berlo will improve by more because Boak will be rotated throught the bench and midfield more than Van Berlo will, and he will not receive as much TOG. I still expect him to average 90+ but i do not think he can average 100+. Van Berlo could average 105+ If luck goes his way.

VB to improve by 20ppg????? Keep dreaming... ave 90-95 IMO.

 

[Hirdy_5]

Appreciate you offering your help. FWIIW I have Enright and Petrenko Picking players from your own club can help in that you get to see them more often, at trainings, games etc. But you do have to be careful.

I only have 3 Port players at the moment, and not looking at any others (Cornes,Kornes and Davenport)

Time will tell, but Boak is a top 5 draft pick, and VB is not a first rounder VB is pretty much at his peak IMO.

Kepler Bradley was number 6 draft pick draft, James Hird was pick 79, Draft picks arn't everything.

Both player have upside.

VB will now be the general in the Crows midfield with the older crew being moved around, Goodwin up forward, Edwards of the HBF ect. Also will mean no more run with roles for Van Berlo. If you take out his 4 that he scored in 08 he averaged around the 89-90 mark. Has a huge motor and can just run all day, also helps being a very durable player.

I have question marks over Boak, i don't know alot about Port Adelaide and how they line up throught the centre but with Salopek, Cornes, Cornes, Burgoyne, Boak, Cassisi and Pearce all running through there is he garunteded to get the extra game time to get the increase in points ? I'm not quite sure when both of Salopek and Cornes were out of the side at the same time but from round 11 onwards Boaks scores increased quite alot, Averaged 75 through rounds 1-10 with four scores under 65 but after this from round 11 onward he averaged 95 but did miss 5 games through injury.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I cant seem to see why the keeper avg has gone up for a back. IMO i reckon if any player avg's over 75 they would be your 7th keeper. I think people looking to finish with Fisher, CHAD, Enright, Goddard, Hodge, Scottland, Carazzo are quite mistaken. Its not that easy just look at all the top dtmers from last year their backlines arnt anything special yet they still finished on top.

I see that their are many options in the backs now with inclusions of players we know. But you couldve picked players with the same scoring potential at the same price anyway.

 

[chadleverington]

Kepler Bradley was number 6 draft pick draft, James Hird was pick 79, Draft picks arn't everything.

True there are exceptions, but top 5 midfielder picks are generally pretty safe. But time will tell.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I cant seem to see why the keeper avg has gone up for a back. IMO i reckon if any player avg's over 75 they would be your 7th keeper. I think people looking to finish with Fisher, CHAD, Enright, Goddard, Hodge, Scottland, Carazzo are quite mistaken. quote]


Last year was last year and i can guarantee you that if these blokes are fit for 22, yoour gunna be all but!

The backs look like being alot more open this year, and more variety will make for interesting times.......but believe me if you think your going to win this with backs like Myers, Ibbo, Clarke, JWS, Raines and the likes in your final team then i think your full of s##t.......Too much talent in the top tier of backs this year and you'll want to have them come finals time.

 

[lifelike_]

The backs look like being alot more open this year, and more variety will make for interesting times.......but believe me if you think your going to win this with backs like Myers, Ibbo, Clarke, JWS, Raines and the likes in your final team then i think your full of s##t.......Too much talent in the top tier of backs this year and you'll want to have them come finals time.

Agree with that.

When thinking about your final team, who you won't have is just as important as who you will have.

While starting with two or three lower end keepers (and I'm talking real lower end) may seem appealing, if it means that three or more of the true premiums won't end up in your team it could turn out to be a real disadvantage in the latter stages of the season.

With the increase of quality in the backs this year, there's a far lower chance a 75 average will cut it as keeper material.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Im not about to finish with those players Raines, J.W.S or of the like.

I would like to here this from someoen like Stormer, SD and DW who have all finished high and see what they think.

Ibbo is a definite keeper if he avgs 75 this year as a back.

Im looking to start
Goddard
Waite
Newman
Birchall
D.Fletcher
Adcock

who i all consider keepers at the start of the year

I will keep in mind however that Adcock or Flecther could require a trade if they dont perform. But they are intended keepers with my starting side.

This will mean that there are many options that i can bring in, such as players (Scottland, Mackie, Hodge, Enright, Bowden, Chad, Fisher, Carazzo and others) for the 3 positions if those players dont perform.

I would be happy to finish with
Goddard
Waite
Newman
Birchall
D.Fletcher/Hodge
Adcock
Fisher