Player Review vs Dogs

[Anzacday]

It is not like we passed on him - the Bullies got in first, right?

Yes and speculation they only heard about him because we were into him is wrong.
I read this week where the Bulldogs were the most active speaking to his coach, the school and even the librarian.
They got him because they finished lower than us plain and simple.
Everyone should move on and enjoy watching the kid, (through gritted teeth if it helps).

 

[PicaBoo]

They will have Cox play 2nd ruck I reckon. I think Stewart would be perfect but I think he is probably likely to re-sign with GWS. Finlayson more defender and might depend on what Marchbank does.

Don't forget Keefe was being trained as a forward before his ban. Be interesting to know what the plan is.

Soz for a bit off topic but re the focus of trading. With a good crumber we can get a lot more out of the tapwork from both Cox and White then from chasing a tall that marks a bit better. Or are we anticipating Elliott /Fasolo will cover that?

 

[Maggie5]

lenny2013 and Scodog10 great write ups and agree with both well balanced comments.

I just can't wait until we have some consistency in player personnel to see how good we can be. I would like to see more players that can kick both sides of the body as last night you could see some players try to position themselves to kick on their preferred foot. Opposition knows this and blocks.
More skill development is so needed.

Re Smith, I am a big rap for him and sometimes you tend to judge players you like more harshly but I thought it wasn't one of his better games (have to watch the replay again as emotions and excitement sometimes get in the way).

The only good thing that injuries to key players brings is opportunities for other players to get games.
The more games we put in our top 28 the better the chemistry will build.

Loved Goldsacks game and has had me scratching my head why he wasn't in the team before.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Soz for a bit off topic but re the focus of trading. With a good crumber we can get a lot more out of the tapwork from both Cox and White then from chasing a tall that marks a bit better. Or are we anticipating Elliott /Fasolo will cover that?

Yeah our most pressing needs are a good crumbing forward pocket, another good winger (although not as important now Aish has come good) and a key defender who acts as an upgrade on Brown (although he was good last night imo).

 

[Schraderbrau]

Wills' pace is not as bad as people make out - there are at least a couple in the best 22 who are slower than him imo. His strength in stoppages is huge and another year in the gym could make him a beast. If he can win more clearances and shoot the handballs out like Kennedy and Watson then he'll be a good player.

 

[Schraderbrau]

Everyone is talking about Aish's game but the big thing to come out of last night is that Moore is right up there as the best forward drafted in the last 7 seasons.

 

[loki04]

Oxley was largely crap and barely involved both offensively and defensively.

Blair doubled as a garden gnome again.

Both players and are vfl quality.

Moore was excellent for the most part got caught on the bench in the last quarter when we had a small period of fwd half dominance. Repeat fwd entries but no threatening target due to him getting caught on the pine for 5 to 10 mins.

Degoey was much cleaner tonight which was good to see.

Aish was excellent.

I agree that Treloar looked off the boil early but worked into it and ended up most disp on ground great efforts in the last quarter and also great running goal.

Grundy dominant. Excellent form last 6 weeks.

 

[Quicky]

What a fantastic balanced post! I love Snoop's reviews because they're so positive, but your post nailed the essence of why we lost and the reason I've lost faith. We make too many fundamental errors.

Perfect examples to touch on for me are from a player who both impresses me because he runs to the right spots, but frustrstes the hell out of me because he does some of the most ineffectual things I've seen. Josh Smith seems to find space like no other player out there and can hit targets easily because he makes the right decisions. The problem is he does things like:

• Spoil a ball when clear to mark into the corridor 15 metres out from the opposition goal,
• Drop a chest mark then panic and put the ball out on the full
• Take a mark from a kick in 45 from goal on the boundary (the most dangerous spot on the ground to mark a kick in) then instead of looking into the centre square for an option kicks the ball back to the person that kicked out.
• Ball watch and get sucked into a contest allowing his man (Dickson) loose over the top for the overlap handball which wasn't used when Jong burst through and kicked the goal.

Those examples are just from last night, but you see them every week in his game. With good development and a role further afield he goes from a 16-25 player on our list to a 6-15. Currently though I don't know if we're working hard enough to improve the flaws of the players that make the fundamental errors and just think its easier to get rid of them (Cloke, Brown and Williams) only to replace them with others that make similar errors (WHE, Jong and Mayne)...

I must say I'm left scratching my head when people doubt the quality of our list. With Treloar, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Grundy and Reid we have 5 A graders, IMO. Plus we then have a good group of either very solid B graders or potential A graders in Elliott, Howe, Crisp, Adams, Aish and Moore. Unfortunately we don't have the right people in place to get the best out of our second tier players and we must target only clear best 22 types at years end!

We need to restructure our development team and get the right people into those roles. And then target those best 22 types.

 

[partypie]

OMG, those 6 odd minutes in the third when the Bont had 6 odd possessions... he got them back level after being 3 goals down with momentum against. The bloke is the best draft pick since Judd/Hodge. We missed out in 2013.

You mean they screwed us in 2013 - we always had him in our sights.

 

[1892]

Keeffe has been on our list for 6 years, Keeffe has

8, unless don't you count the past 2 were he hasn't been allowed inside the club. He also played a few VFL games in '08 after we signed him, but before he was drafted. Surprisingly he's played 63 VFL games, which makes him the third most capped CFC VFL player.

 

[1892]

What a fantastic balanced post! I love Snoop's reviews because they're so positive, but your post nailed the essence of why we lost and the reason I've lost faith. We make too many fundamental errors.

Perfect examples to touch on for me are from a player who both impresses me because he runs to the right spots, but frustrstes the hell out of me because he does some of the most ineffectual things I've seen. Josh Smith seems to find space like no other player out there and can hit targets easily because he makes the right decisions. The problem is he does things like:

• Spoil a ball when clear to mark into the corridor 15 metres out from the opposition goal,
• Drop a chest mark then panic and put the ball out on the full
• Take a mark from a kick in 45 from goal on the boundary (the most dangerous spot on the ground to mark a kick in) then instead of looking into the centre square for an option kicks the ball back to the person that kicked out.
• Ball watch and get sucked into a contest allowing his man (Dickson) loose over the top for the overlap handball which wasn't used when Jong burst through and kicked the goal.

Those examples are just from last night, but you see them every week in his game. With good development and a role further afield he goes from a 16-25 player on our list to a 6-15. Currently though I don't know if we're working hard enough to improve the flaws of the players that make the fundamental errors and just think its easier to get rid of them (Cloke, Brown and Williams) only to replace them with others that make similar errors (WHE, Jong and Mayne)...

I must say I'm left scratching my head when people doubt the quality of our list. With Treloar, Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Grundy and Reid we have 5 A graders, IMO. Plus we then have a good group of either very solid B graders or potential A graders in Elliott, Howe, Crisp, Adams, Aish and Moore. Unfortunately we don't have the right people in place to get the best out of our second tier players and we must target only clear best 22 types at years end!

Smith seems to drop his head a bit after making a mistake, which often leads to another soon after. It cost us a goal against North. It's his first year in AFL though, so I'm prepared to give him some lack and hope with more experience/development that the composure to eliminate this will come. Onfield leaders should play a role here too.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Yes and speculation they only heard about him because we were into him is wrong.
I read this week where the Bulldogs were the most active speaking to his coach, the school and even the librarian.
They got him because they finished lower than us plain and simple.
Everyone should move on and enjoy watching the kid, (through gritted teeth if it helps).

All the clubs were looking at Bont, absolutely. They got in first before us, that simple.
If they picked someone else, we take Bont and if lucks a fortune we'd have taken the Berg at ten, ie not freeman.
Didn't work that way.

 

[Kilmo]

I thought Goldsack's game wasn't dissimilar to his last AFL game - not sure why he was dropped in the first place. Deserves another run around next year at least.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Wills' pace is not as bad as people make out - there are at least a couple in the best 22 who are slower than him imo. His strength in stoppages is huge and another year in the gym could make him a beast. If he can win more clearances and shoot the handballs out like Kennedy and Watson then he'll be a good player.

Remember one small fact, a nicely kicked football always travels faster than any runner can go.

 

[76woodenspooners]

• I lost count of how many times we had possession on the wing, then chose to kick backwards, into defensive fifty, only for the ball to end up in the hands of Marsh, Brown or some other horribly unskilled defender. I get the need to switch the play occasionally, but you've got to be smart about it - a switch should never end in the hands of a bad kick. The majority of our switches only achieved a significant sacrifice in field position. And those were the occasions where we didn't directly turn it over for an easy Bulldogs goal. Very frustrating to watch.

One of the main purposes of a switch is to stretch the opposition's defence across the ground and create space.

Brown and Marsh are the last line of defense - so if you exclude them from the switch process then you're effectively executing a switch with only 16 players versus the opposition's 18 players, which doesn't sound like a good recipe for stretching the opposition's defence??

If switching is going to be part of our gameplan, then our deep defensive players need to be a part of I t and they need to have the skills to execute it. Maybe that takes practice (which implies stuff-ups as players learn). Maybe that takes new players with different skill-sets.

 

[OniAu]

hope the rumors about goldy wanting out are not true, cause he did not play that way
need him to stay bleeds for the club

Ill admit last week I had him in the list that we need to move on . Ive now realised how wrong I am, he needs to be played and forced out. Has courage galore and we need that down back.

Brown again showed tonight hes done , no impact and doesn't shut down enough.

 

[left at home]

Ill admit last week I had him in the list that we need to move on . Ive now realised how wrong I am, he needs to be played and forced out. Has courage galore and we need that down back.

Brown again showed tonight hes done , no impact and doesn't shut down enough.

gave you a like for the goldy comment, but still not sure on brown being done. he is trying to change his
game and that can take a little bit of time to do before we see the results

 

[well left]

Whilst its a loss and it hurts like hell there was still plenty of positives to take out of it. The Bullies are talked up as one of the best young teams, and rightly so, yet we took it up to them and it was the young kids, and Goldy, that I thought led the way. Looking at injury lists and both teams have probably 9-10 of best 22 not out there so not like we were at full strength and they were depleted.

Grundy - awesome. Ready to rip this comp apart I think.
Moore - same as Grundy. Carey was banging on about how pure his kicking is but he still misses the gettable but that may be down to fatigue which will improve with another pre-season.
Aish - this kid has turned it around. Like what he bring to us now as it is what we need and he is harder than he was ever given credit for.
Treloar - young kid but already ripping teams to shreds.
Adams - when he gets going he really turns things around for us. Has the type of will and determination about him that screams leadership.
De Goey - showed a bit of a turnaround in form last night. Will be better for another preseason and will have learnt a lot this year.
Wills - madness what he is showing as a mature ager in his first 3 games. Another preseason and he is going to be a solid player for us. We found a hidden gem there.
Maynard - improving and made big gains this year.

These 8 showed enough last night to say we have the talent to move this team forward when combined with Pendlebury, Reid, Sidebottom, Howe, Fasolo and Crisp.

That's 14 - if we can get Elliott, Scharenberg, Ramsey and Langdon back to full fitness and form and Marsh, Cox, Smith, Crocker and Phillips develop we can make it back to finals.

We need to make some decisions on the others and try to fill some gaps because Reid needs help down back and Moore needs help up forward!

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Nathan Brown on the other hand, might be following Trav out the door

What ****ing game were you watching? Brown was brilliant last night.

 

[Hardas]

Yes and speculation they only heard about him because we were into him is wrong.
I read this week where the Bulldogs were the most active speaking to his coach, the school and even the librarian.
They got him because they finished lower than us plain and simple.
Everyone should move on and enjoy watching the kid, (through gritted teeth if it helps).

Does not help that he is apparently from yet another Pies family...

 

[Mame]

What ******* game were you watching? Brown was brilliant last night.

I'll have to watch it again cos I thought he sucked.

 

[Hardas]

I'll have to watch it again cos I thought he sucked.

Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[Go Pies!!!!!]

Great write up.
On Marsh i think he just tries to do to much when he gets the ball.
Loved Aish he has been really good the last 3 weeks and Grundy just keeps getting along well.
Wills even when he gets caught has a knack of getting is arms free and hand balling the ball i love this!!!