Player X vs Player Y Thread

[reimersyoubeauty]

a) Incorrect. Bradshaw missed all of the 2007 season and Brown averaged 111 points, his second best year.

b) Incorrect. He's not under an injury cloud. He had a minor knee infection over a month ago, but he was never going to play a preseason game after breaking down early in the season last year.

c) His scores in the first four games over the last four years have been:
2010: 130, 171, 141, 81.
2009: 79, 114, 98, 81. A relatively slow year.
2008: 138, 92, 28, 138.
2007: 33, 135, 95, 94.
So in three of the last four years he's had at least three games of 90+ in the first four games. I wouldn't call that slow, I'd call that pretty consistent.

d) Correct, as our midfield has got worse so has Brown's scores. Hopefully it'll be an uptick this year with our focus over the last three years of drafting skilled players.

e) Incorrect. Prior to last year, he'd played 67 out of 68 games over the last three years.

f) Well, one out of five isn't bad.

Some people aren't considering him because he'll cause bye issues due to Brisbane having both their bye weeks on multiple bye weeks. Some people aren't considering him because they don't want to risk him without seeing any preseason form. But someone rejecting him for your reasonings? Well, they've got a long way to go before being any good at this game.

a) He was in his prime at this stage and all i was saying is there will be uncertainty

b) Injury cloud maybe not a good use of words - But he is not 100% fit and is not coming into R1 at peak physical condition. He is without a full pre season

c) 2010 as stated had a big start
2009 - Averaged 89.45 in first half of the season, as opposed to 98 overall
2008- Had 3 sub 60 scores in the first 3 rounds of the season
2007- Averaged 92 in first half of the season as opposed to 111.2 overall

d) Cannot blame midfield for all of this problem but I don't see an y substantial improvement in your unit this year especially without your previous year's best and fairest midfielder. I haven't seen enough of the Lions to know if Rischitelli was the man setting up scoring opportunities but either way your midfield unit is worse off than last year.

e) He has only had 3 seasons of his 10 year career where he has played a full 22 games. 67 out of 68 is bullshit use of picking numbers from specific years to suit your argument.

I personally find all of these combined more of a problem than the bye issue but that can be reason F for arguments sake.

If you want to argue with this then go for it. He is a great player and could be a potential pick up later in the year if he can average good numbers but I just don't think anyone should be picking him up from R1 this year with too much uncertainty surrounding him.

And sorry mate I managed to finish 244 overall last season so obviously I don't really have a long way to go, I'd probably say I'm already there.

 

[RiCHii]

But will he play enough games to make me more money if not as much money as atley. I think his scoring will be a bit better than atley so that's why I'm contemplating this. And I tend to think that jamison's spot in the side will probably be taken by Watson( like for a like) and curnow will need to find a spot another way, can he push forward and kick goals or is he purly a mid like atley is?

TBH with you I don't think he will get much opportunity in the foward line we have Waite, Henderson, probably Warnock or Hammo as a resting ruckman Betts and Garlett, I really don't think he can push for a position in the foward his chance will be in the midfield and as long as Brock McLean is out of the side i'd say he would be in there doing all the hard yards and feeding it out to blokes like Judd Gibbs and Murphy. (God knows when Brock McLean will get his body right)

 

[dlanod]

a) He was in his prime at this stage and all i was saying is there will be uncertainty

b) Injury cloud maybe not a good use of words - But he is not 100% fit and is not coming into R1 at peak physical condition. He is without a full pre season

c) 2010 as stated had a big start
2009 - Averaged 89.45 in first half of the season, as opposed to 98 overall
2008- Had 3 sub 60 scores in the first 3 rounds of the season
2007- Averaged 92 in first half of the season as opposed to 111.2 overall

d) Cannot blame midfield for all of this problem but I don't see an y substantial improvement in your unit this year especially without your previous year's best and fairest midfielder. I haven't seen enough of the Lions to know if Rischitelli was the man setting up scoring opportunities but either way your midfield unit is worse off than last year.

e) He has only had 3 seasons of his 10 year career where he has played a full 22 games. 67 out of 68 is bullshit use of picking numbers from specific years to suit your argument.

I personally find all of these combined more of a problem than the bye issue but that can be reason F for arguments sake.

If you want to argue with this then go for it. He is a great player and could be a potential pick up later in the year if he can average good numbers but I just don't think anyone should be picking him up from R1 this year with too much uncertainty surrounding him.

And sorry mate I managed to finish 244 overall last season so obviously I don't really have a long way to go, I'd probably say I'm already there.

a) What you said was "He has never played in a one man tall forward line without Bradshaw/fev". That's blatantly wrong. Uncertainty over his scores this year are valid, but facts are still facts.

b) and c) good rephrasings. Your 2008 stat has me scratching my head, because those weren't the scores I copied off TooSerious and included in my post for the first three rounds.

d) This is still a concern this year, but in the preseason games there's been improvement. Definitely uncertainty, I agree. Disagree with Rischitelli being regarded as a big loss.

Rischitelli was pretty notorious for getting a clearance but then bombing the ball blindly forward to a 50/50 at best, and to our disadvantage at worst. The fact that he won a B&F last year was a combination of a condemnation of our midfield (Power regressed, Black and Redden was solid without being spectacular, Rich plateaued), Rischitelli taking a huge step up in terms of possession gathering (from 15 a game to 24), and the fact that he played 22 games, unlike a lot of our players.

e) It's not bullshit if it's the most recent years. It's establishing a trend. I'm surprised you didn't say he was a suspension threat then, given his record between 2000 and 2005. After all, apparently nothing changes for a player over the most recent years.

Your reasons you listed were generally incorrect, though your modified ones are better, and you came across as a dick for denigrating anyone who dares have a different opinion to you. But hey, I guess 244th in an online game allows you the right to be a bit of a douche.

 

[esorhali]

Hey guys,

Can u guys help with this one please?

A. Otten vs B.Smith vs R.Tarrant

Cheers

 

[RiCHii]

Hey guys,

Can u guys help with this one please?

A. Otten vs B.Smith vs R.Tarrant

Cheers

A.Otten, has potential to get very high scores.

Enright V Broughton (And can anyone give me a run down on his pre-season, I know the Enright has not done overly well over the pre-season and feel his price of 475,00 is un-justified)

(Or anyone else who has potential to do well)

 

[Lajon]

A.Otten, has potential to get very high scores.

Enright V Broughton (And can anyone give me a run down on his pre-season, I know the Enright has not done overly well over the pre-season and feel his price of 475,00 is un-justified)

(Or anyone else who has potential to do well)

I had this same dilemma & I've gone with Enright. Broughton's injury history concerned me a bit too much.




Pavlich (fwd) & Savage/Rookie (mid)

vs

Knights (fwd) & Foley (mid)

 

[coopernewf]

Is Carazzo from Carlton any good as a Defender? I don't know much about the guy, and have $382,000 to find a suitable player.

Any help would be appreciated

 

[Johanpetro]

I had this same dilemma & I've gone with Enright. Broughton's injury history concerned me a bit too much.




Pavlich (fwd) & Savage/Rookie (mid)

vs

Knights (fwd) & Foley (mid)

I would go Pav and a rookie!

How about: Pavlich (Mid) and $71,000 or Boyd :S
Cheers fellas

 

[dima_1771]

Pavlich for sure, MPP

Mumford, Jamar or Clark

 

[RiCHii]

Is Carazzo from Carlton any good as a Defender? I don't know much about the guy, and have $382,000 to find a suitable player.

Any help would be appreciated

Is a good player, last year he posted up a few high scores but then his role changed in the team and was used in a tagging role. He has had an injury interrupted pre-season and played the last practice match but was a bit scratch. Personal opinion: Better off getting a rookie 380k is a waste on the unknown like carrazzo.

 

[TomDwan]

Is Carazzo from Carlton any good as a Defender? I don't know much about the guy, and have $382,000 to find a suitable player.

Any help would be appreciated

I'd steer clear of Carazzo. Coming off a limited pre-season and will play mainly as a tagger as he did last year.

If you can find an extra $2k I'd go for Michael Johnson who finished off last season really well otherwise maybe Mackie or Gram.

I'm putting the finishing touches to my team - just wanted some thoughts on -

Pav vs Goodes
Duffield vs Shaw
Petrie vs Duncan vs knights

Cheers.

 

[RiCHii]

I'd steer clear of Carazzo. Coming off a limited pre-season and will play mainly as a tagger as he did last year.

If you can find an extra $2k I'd go for Michael Johnson who finished off last season really well otherwise maybe Mackie or Gram.

I'm putting the finishing touches to my team - just wanted some thoughts on -

Pav vs Goodes
Duffield vs Shaw
Petrie vs Duncan vs knights

Cheers.

Petrie if he didn't get suspended but knights has had a fairly good pre-season. I'd expect him to average between 80-90, any higher would be a bonus. I'd trade Petrie in after about round 4-5 depending on when Kangaroos have their bye, I think its round 4. But for now I'd take Knights.

 

[Hawks92]

Judd vs. Selwood? Don't really want to pick either, knowing they have byes in the finals!
Worth getting one or picking someone else?

 

[reimersyoubeauty]

a) What you said was "He has never played in a one man tall forward line without Bradshaw/fev". That's blatantly wrong. Uncertainty over his scores this year are valid, but facts are still facts.

b) and c) good rephrasings. Your 2008 stat has me scratching my head, because those weren't the scores I copied off TooSerious and included in my post for the first three rounds.

d) This is still a concern this year, but in the preseason games there's been improvement. Definitely uncertainty, I agree. Disagree with Rischitelli being regarded as a big loss.

Rischitelli was pretty notorious for getting a clearance but then bombing the ball blindly forward to a 50/50 at best, and to our disadvantage at worst. The fact that he won a B&F last year was a combination of a condemnation of our midfield (Power regressed, Black and Redden was solid without being spectacular, Rich plateaued), Rischitelli taking a huge step up in terms of possession gathering (from 15 a game to 24), and the fact that he played 22 games, unlike a lot of our players.

e) It's not bullshit if it's the most recent years. It's establishing a trend. I'm surprised you didn't say he was a suspension threat then, given his record between 2000 and 2005. After all, apparently nothing changes for a player over the most recent years.

Your reasons you listed were generally incorrect, though your modified ones are better, and you came across as a dick for denigrating anyone who dares have a different opinion to you. But hey, I guess 244th in an online game allows you the right to be a bit of a douche.

2008 scores were from Fan Footy.

Will happily admit my statement of not playing without bradshaw or fev is incorrect but even you agree with the key term of uncertainty.

A players body does not get less susceptible to injury as they get older...If he had problems in previous years + 2 lots of surgery in this off season it's fair to say they are most likely not going to play 22 games and the figures you pulled out were slightly irrelevant in the grand scheme of his whole career.

I was stating my opinion and my opinion is strongly Brown is not a good pick from the start this year. I was questioning what reasoning could possibly be behind picking him up this year with too many unknown variables and risks involved.

The fact that he is a scarcely selected player this year leads to me believe my opinion is correct, but I was definitely arrogant/wrong in basically saying my opinion is the only correct opinion and I myself hate when others on forums do this.

Not a fan of this online argument stuff...so good luck for the year and honestly hope JB proves me wrong!

 

[Ed D]

Judd vs. Selwood? Don't really want to pick either, knowing they have byes in the finals!
Worth getting one or picking someone else?

I'd pick Judd. Had a solid last few games in the NAB Challenge matches, consistent high scorer, should average 115+. Selwood is a gun but not as consistent and it's going to be interesting to see how he scores with Geelong appearing to be on a bit of a decline. Less wins, perhaps double tagged, who knows.

 

[dlanod]

Pavlich for sure, MPP

Mumford, Jamar or Clark

I'd definitely take Mumford out of those three...

But now that I've said that I remembered Seaby's back this year. I'd probably take Mumford but I'm less confident that I was.

 

[dlanod]

The fact that he is a scarcely selected player this year leads to me believe my opinion is correct, but I was definitely arrogant/wrong in basically saying my opinion is the only correct opinion and I myself hate when others on forums do this.

To be honest it was the tone that got my back up, given some of the base assumptions were wrong. I agree on the basic principle - Brown is definitely a gamble this year. I'm backing him in, but I am aware that it's a risk.

Not a fan of this online argument stuff...so good luck for the year and honestly hope JB proves me wrong!

Same to you. On both accounts, but especially JB proving you wrong...

 

[YorshireSwan]

Robbie Tarrant vs Easton Wood?

 

[YorshireSwan]

I'd definitely take Mumford out of those three...

But now that I've said that I remembered Seaby's back this year. I'd probably take Mumford but I'm less confident that I was.

I would still take Mumford, even with Seaby back I think Mumford will be the prominent ruckman with Seaby playing forward much more due to Bradshaw's absence.

 

[robertshaw]

Robbie Tarrant vs Easton Wood?

i have got tarrant and i reckon wood is an uncomfortable price.
mine is goodes vs rioli

 

[Shakermaker94]

rioli for me robertshaw


mine is broughton, newman or h shaw?

trying to get more money to upgrade prestia to yarran?

 

[GotTheGoodes]

rioli for me robertshaw


mine is broughton, newman or h shaw?

trying to get more money to upgrade prestia to yarran?

Depends on if you've got Deledio... Assuming you do, and noting that Shaw was very inconsistent last year, I'd go Broughton.

The issue(s) I have is Cox v. Jolly.

Jolly is cheaper and had a great end to the season. No competition for his spot really and now he is more aware and settled in teh Colliingwood game plan I think his form can continue. On the other hand, for what it's worth, Cox has had a great preseason. However he didn't have a fantastic 2010 and with NicNat there stealing his points ... I just don't know....

 

[Shakermaker94]

Depends on if you've got Deledio... Assuming you do, and noting that Shaw was very inconsistent last year, I'd go Broughton.

i do have deledio in my side

 

[GotTheGoodes]

i do have deledio in my side

Well unless you're planning on trading one of them out by round 11 they'll both get the bye that week so you'll want some good cover. I guess re-looking at it, not taking anything else into consideration at all I'd go in this order:

1) Newman, 1.5) Broughton, 66) Shaw.

IMO it's a close close call between Newman & Broughton (and I don't like Shaw). Thus, on the premise you also don't have any Freo defenders would you rather one week where 2 premium DEF are out or 2 weeks were 1 premium DEF is out??

 

[Koutafidamedis]

Burgoyne/Franklin
or
Cross/Rioli

and

A. Everitt or J. Adcock