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The Finger

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How is it draft tampering. A player nominating a particular club has nothing to do with the draft......it is all about negotiating a trade at that point. StKilda had an opportunity to at least get something for Ball, but turned it down. Sure, it was a lousy offer, and a dog act all round, but surely something is better than nothing. Why should a club have rights to compensation when their player is out of contract.........ever heard of the Bosman ruling in the EPL. He is out of contract. If the club is not good enough to retain its players, then perhaps they need to change their ways.

As for the draft, the other clubs could have taken Ball in the draft if they chose to. Sure, Ball made his intentions clear that he wanted to play for Collingwood, but if another club had taken the chance and called his name, then Ball would have had no choice. The fact is, the other clubs were to gutless to challenge the system, so Ball slid through to Collingwood. If Ball had openly stated he would only play for Collingwood......and I dont recall ever hearing that.....then that would be draft tampering and I would have expected the AFL to act.

Draft tampering to me is Lachie Whitfield saying to club recruiters that he wont move interstate, or Kurt Tippett going thru to the PSD and openly stating that he will be living in SE QLD and if any club choses to select him, then they will have to accept his conditions.

But a player nominating a club does not IMO constitute draft tampering.
You'd have been happy if Buddy chose not to draft camp and wouldn't speak to any clubs outside of WA would you?
 

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You'd have been happy if Buddy chose not to draft camp and wouldn't speak to any clubs outside of WA would you?
Clearly the culture at Hawthorn is good enough that this is not a problem so what is there to worry about.
Players are tending to elect to come to Hawthorn rather than leave. And the ones that have departed have been fringe players.......aka Josh Kennedy if that is what you are looking for.
 

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Clearly the culture at Hawthorn is good enough that this is not a problem so what is there to worry about.
Players are tending to elect to come to Hawthorn rather than leave. And the ones that have departed have been fringe players.......aka Josh Kennedy if that is what you are looking for.
No what Im saying is you nominate for the National Draft your anyone's. You have to make your self available to everyone.
 

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If we are going to have stealth draft tampering I'm sure wa and sa would just love to keep all the local kids
 

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Once he left StKilda he should have been available to all clubs. As it was they tampered with the draft.
He was available to all clubs. The fact he openly wanted to play at Collingwood just added to a list of reasons why he wasn't worth more than pick 30 to anyone else.

Jade Rawlings nominated one club - look where that got him. Happily Hawhorn are more ethical traders these days.
 

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Hate it. I don't mind if they nominate a city, but nominating specific clubs just bends over the old club (and yes, I don't like that Tippett has done that).

For example, while I understand that Jolly wanted to return to Victoria, the fact that he wanted Collingwood and nobody else bent us over and still pisses me off.

Similarly, Tippett's decision to leave for family reasons is fine, and if he'd nominated any of the Lions, GC, Swans and GWS, that would be fine, but singling out Sydney puts the Crows in a rubbish situation, and I'm sympathetic. I won't be at all disappointed if we don't end up with him (of course, once he's in red and white I'll forget all about that and love him).
 

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I don't feel sorry for the Saints in the Luke Ball situation at all. They refused a fair trade for him, so they lost any right to complain when he left for nothing. As for his 'draft tampering', there's no rule saying you have to speak to a club, but it limits your opportunities so a 18-year-old never will.
 

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I don't feel sorry for the Saints in the Luke Ball situation at all. They refused a fair trade for him, so they lost any right to complain when he left for nothing. As for his 'draft tampering', there's no rule saying you have to speak to a club, but it limits your opportunities so a 18-year-old never will.
A fair trade according to Collingwood you mean. As I have posted once you nominated you have to speak to any club that wants too. Im sure you'd have been happy if Ryder only said he'd speak to both Perth teams before he was drafted and refused any physical tests outside WA.
 

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From memory, Collingwood offered Pick 21 for Luke Ball in the 2009 draft. That was Ryan Bastinac.

More than adequate compensation.
 

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Funny that Wellingham isn't at North is he. North wouldn't trade they wanted Brown. Collingwood offered pick 30 and that's it.
In direct contradiction to this.

The best Collingwood could offer for Ball was pick No. 21, with pick No. 62 thrown in.
Selection No. 21 would have come from North Melbourne in return for Sharrod Wellingham.
It's pretty well known that Brad Scott agreed to the trade but Ross Lyon didn't come to the party.
 

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In direct contradiction to this.



It's pretty well known that Brad Scott agreed to the trade but Ross Lyon didn't come to the party.

Bullshit. North agreed to nothing of the sort. Why would North give up that pick for a bloke just off the Rookie list? Its all Bullshit that gained wheels once Ball got to Collingwood.


Every week a different player for Collingwood played well he became the player offered to StKilda.
 

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A fair trade according to Collingwood you mean. As I have posted once you nominated you have to speak to any club that wants too. Im sure you'd have been happy if Ryder only said he'd speak to both Perth teams before he was drafted and refused any physical tests outside WA.
The Pies were offering pick 25 (Wellingham) for a player who only played a half a Grand Final.

Where is the AFL ruling that says you have to speak to a club that is interested in drafting you?
 

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The Pies were offering pick 25 (Wellingham) for a player who only played a half a Grand Final.

Where is the AFL ruling that says you have to speak to a club that is interested in drafting you?
Check his game times in the 2010 GF. Greatest myth going around.
 

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depends which club the player nominates, if it is certain clubs like the bulldogs you would be jumping for joy.

-DJ for pick 57
-Sherman for end of first round compo
-Bate nominates Bulldogs, bulldogs offer 2nd round pick (lucky melbourne knocked it back in hope for a 1st rounder PHEW!)
-Hall for pick 47 (we were to get a later picks in this deal (pick 55-60) but paperwork was screwed up on our behalf so they got away with it)
 

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I don't feel sorry for the Saints in the Luke Ball situation at all. They refused a fair trade for him, so they lost any right to complain when he left for nothing. As for his 'draft tampering', there's no rule saying you have to speak to a club, but it limits your opportunities so a 18-year-old never will.
Didn't Collingwood get fined or at least warned for Brett Chalmers? Same scenario, he came out before the draft & declared he would only play for Collingwood.

For mine I have no problem with a player requesting a trade to a particular club but I believe what we saw with Luke Ball & what was threatened the next year with Tarrant should not be allowed to happen again. We have a trade period where you can facilitate trades OR you should have to roll the dice along with all the other kids in the draft. A draft by its very nature should be uncompromised as to where players will go. If Ball can do it then whats to stop a club getting teh top young talent to say "I'll only sign with ..." & not attending any screeening or draft camp. I don't know all the AFL rules but if there isn't something in there then there should be.
 

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Didn't Collingwood get fined or at least warned for Brett Chalmers? Same scenario, he came out before the draft & declared he would only play for Collingwood.

For mine I have no problem with a player requesting a trade to a particular club but I believe what we saw with Luke Ball & what was threatened the next year with Tarrant should not be allowed to happen again. We have a trade period where you can facilitate trades OR you should have to roll the dice along with all the other kids in the draft. A draft by its very nature should be uncompromised as to where players will go. If Ball can do it then whats to stop a club getting teh top young talent to say "I'll only sign with ..." & not attending any screeening or draft camp. I don't know all the AFL rules but if there isn't something in there then there should be.
The Chalmers incident was different, although you're stretching my memory. There's a difference between saying you'll only play for one club, and not allowing each club to interview/test you.

Anyway, cases like Ball's won't be common anymore with the introduction of FA.
 
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