List Mgmt. Players that Should survive our Review.

[ronpingwins]

Isnt the answer obvipriddis?

 

[Pottering]

There is no amendment at all needed. It simply matter of real-estate, watch and pause stoppages.

Sorry, but your verbatim statement was "You get contested possessions when you play at the ball drop", and the problem is as I pointed out that only Priddis seems to get those contested possessions you speak of. Simply being there doesn't mean you'll get them.

We're without two of our top four clearance players, one of them seemingly sidelined for the same reasons Priddis should be. Which is a lack of accountability for their direct opponent, a lack of outside run and general utility around the ground.

Our lack of on ball depth is simple. We haven't developed enough decent on ballers and the two best candidates we did have packed up and left because of a lack of opportunity.

If you have contested midfielders with no outside ability, no offensive drive and zero hurt factor you need to compensate their lack of outside ability with more outside ability to generate run. Those players who are receivers either lack opportunities on ball or aren't very good. Either because of a lack of development or natural ability.

So players like Sheppard, Dalziell, Rosa and Gaff shouldn't be playing in the same side as each other. Better to have a depth of balanced players who can win their own ball and at times when needed rotate effectively into a receiving role and go.

That's a whole other discussion, it doesn't mean Priddis is the cause of our demise.

His kick to handball ratio is low because he's rubbish on the outside and can't get into a position where he can find clear targets consistently. Eg: his uncontested disposals are meaningless in most cases. He simply isn't someone who should be on the end of a handball receive if you want a coherent chain of disposals to progress.

Clangers are a fine when a player is creative and takes risks. Not when they're as slow treacle, don't get into damaging positions and or use the ball creatively.

But obviously not when they are the only extracting the ball at the coalface?

Two clanger kicks.

The perfect example was one of his uncontested disposals by hand which was effective.

Priddis inability to draw a player creates defensive overlap in which opponents zone off to block outlets like Rosa, Gaff, Shuey ect. It's happened for years. The incessant hand balling is a result of a lack of offensive overlap and free players.

IMHO the incessant handballing is part of the team plan. I've watched very, very closely all year how we play and how the opposition play. Almost every week it's a carbon copy. If we get first hands out of a ruck contest we shuffle from player to player, generally going wider and wider till we either turn it over or kick to a crowded forward line (crowded due to the slowness of our movement) while the other mob either give it to a player in the clear, if they have one, or, most importantly, simply bang it in quickly. This last tactic is clearly against our team rules but other sides have woken up to the fact that while we defend aerially really well we defend at ground level hopelessly. Simple tactic is to get it in any old how and then snare a goal from loose play. This scenario is something opposition coaches have pinpointed and exploited while we persist in trying to manufacture the perfect lead and mark forward 50 entry.

 

[squashface]

 

[Pottering]

Eliminated in favour of who? You can't simply say that we'd be better without these two and then fail to say who replaces them and why that will be an improvement.

It actually makes no difference what so ever who replaces them, whoever it is if they are no better or even worse then we are no worse off.

When something does not work, then why continue with it? Try Hurn, Darling, Waters etc
Stop going with the same old set up week after week. Try something but get them out of there.
Scooter can stay as long as he is a tagger only.[/quote]

Sorry, but that response is nonsense. You say it makes no difference if the people who replace them are no better or no worse. That explains absolutely zero. Problem remains that nobody has nominated any replacement so how do we know how to judge these mystery replacements? Because they are a mystery your claim that we could be no worse off is unquantifiable.

I do agree however with changing things up, something our match committee have a strong aversion to. But this applies not just in the middle, but all over the ground. Seems our coaching philosophy is to go out with a game plan and when we come in at half time 6 goals down make no changes and tell the players to stick to the plan that's failing.

 

[ndot]

Bring back Cousins?

i'd hazard a guess that, even at 34-35 years of age, if cousins trained for a couple of months, he still be COMFORTABLY the best midfielder on our list by quite some margin.

and that is an absolute indictment on our recruiting staff

 

[Prem87]

i'd hazard a guess that, even at 34-35 years of age, if cousins trained for a couple of months, he still be COMFORTABLY the best midfielder on our list by quite some margin.

and that is an absolute indictment on our recruiting staff

And our development team.

 

[Chris_6678]

Reviews have been happening yesterday and today...so hope we find out more tommrow.

 

[Belgarion]

It is based on stats. They see how many possies and clearances he gets and cream their pants. But they don't bother to watch the game and read further into the stats to see that he runs around 40% efficiency. Even the commentators were noting it last night.

That and he is a nice guy I guess.

I don't know where you get your stats Smotie. I tried to check it his disposal efficiency and could not find a figure. I found this averages for season 2013:

Games played: 21
Disposals: 26.9
kicks: 10.5
handballs: 16.4
tackles: 6.1
marks: 2.3
goals: 0.3
dream team: 95.8

Those look like good stats to me. Additionally if I remember correctly he was top 10 in the Bronlow last year and WCE highest placed player.

 

[fidstar]

Has someone got proof Ebert left because he wasn't getting opportunities? I mean he basically played every game in his last season with us an then just wanted to go home.

 

[SloppyJoe]

If we can get the following back 5 on the park together for an extended stretch, I think we would do very well:

Hurn, Glass, Waters, EMac, Schoey.

Backup KPD: Brown

The final spot is a bit of a raffle. Butler has been serviceable, but has little upside. Smith showed good things in 2011, but has fallen away since. Brennan played well for parts in 2012 but was inconsistent and had poor disposal. McGinnity has also been inconsistent, and is a bit too one-dimensional. Wilson has done well and his contested marking is a big plus, but he lacks pace. Carter has looked good. Bennell probably deserves a go.

We could probably take 2 of those I mentioned, and go in with 7 defenders. We definitely should NOT go with the 4 tall setup of Glass/EMac/Brown/Schoey often used this year.

 

[bodazoka]

Following players should be looked at hard:

Bennell
Brennan
Butler
Carter
Colledge
Dalziell
Morton
Newman
Sheppard
Smith
Tunbridge
Wilson

Honestly.. at this stage would hardly care if any of these players left...

 

[Icanwalk]

Following players should be looked at hard:

Bennell
Brennan
Butler
Carter
Colledge
Dalziell
Morton
Newman
Sheppard
Smith
Tunbridge
Wilson

Honestly.. at this stage would hardly care if any of these players left...

Needs more Priddis! And Hutchings, who is a poor man's Priddis.

 

[Icanwalk]

Has someone got proof Ebert left because he wasn't getting opportunities? I mean he basically played every game in his last season with us an then just wanted to go home.

Continually played out of position in a role that would never allow him to develop into the player he has since become. Port have somehow managed to get the best out of him in no time at all, despite having a more talent laden midfield than we had. If Woosha and Burns had coached Port, Cassisi never would've left the centerm ala Priddis.

 

[fidstar]

Didn't really answer the question though. Our midfield was playing pretty solid when he left.

If he had stayed he would be a regular in there now.

 

[Xsess]

I will probably get lynched but Gaff. Average footballer who can not win a hardball and has no right side.

And you richly deserve to be lynched. Gun young player suffering as a direct result of deficiencies in the rest of our midfield. There is a reason why Selwood, Masten, Priddis are allowed to run up 30'ish possession week in week out, while 20 y/o Gaff takes a tag.

 

[bodazoka]

Needs more Priddis! And Hutchings, who is a poor man's Priddis.

I disagree about Priddis

Almost put Hutchings in but in his few games I like his swerveability.

 

[Chris_6678]

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Mmm interesting...seems like they are doing physicals on all players... i like it.

 

[Xsess]

The should be locked in the weights room all preseason

 

[Chris_6678]

http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2013-09-03/walsh-heads-home.workstation

Walsh is gone.

 

[ChampRevesby]

And you richly deserve to be lynched. Gun young player suffering as a direct result of deficiencies in the rest of our midfield. There is a reason why Selwood, Masten, Priddis are allowed to run up 30'ish possession week in week out, while 20 y/o Gaff takes a tag.

Maybe so, but I will gladly retract if you can show me at least 3 hard ball gets over his career.

 

[Smotie]

I don't know where you get your stats Smotie. I tried to check it his disposal efficiency and could not find a figure. I found this averages for season 2013:

Games played: 21
Disposals: 26.9
kicks: 10.5
handballs: 16.4
tackles: 6.1
marks: 2.3
goals: 0.3
dream team: 95.8

Those look like good stats to me. Additionally if I remember correctly he was top 10 in the Bronlow last year and WCE highest placed player.

Yeah they look awesome stats. What does Judd average for his career?

Looks like Priddis is better than Judd according to these stats below.

Judd
Games played career:257
Disposals AVG: 23.1
Kicks: 12.9
HB: 10.2
Marks: 2.5
Tackles: 4
Goals: 0.8

A quick look at Priddis career stats and he averages more disposals over his career than Judd and Ablett over theirs.

http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1654

The commentators were dissecting his game on Saturday night and concluded out of 6 disposals in a period 2 of them hit a target, and they didn't mean an opposition target.

Don't confuse possessions with effective possessions.

87.4​

 

[southjoy]

Its not the stoppages we are struggling at. Eastern Hills has shown that we do ok at stoppages.
It's our disposal which is shocking
Its the ability for players to run and spread - which they become very hesitant when someone turnsover the ball only to see it go to your direct opponent.
Its a gameplan going forward which doesnt include kicking to our forwards advantage even in the long kicking plan, the inability to look for closer targets, to hit up Darling or Kennedy whenthey are playing higher up the field and returning often unopposed to the 50m area.
Its the total lack of plays that we utilise to kick the ball in. They have tried certain plays- like the play on and kick long to schofield as he is an excellent mark and the bigs have gone the other way, or the bring the pack close to have someone out the back. But generally we struggle to bring the ball in without Hurns kick in which travels quickly thru the air.

We really need to hire David Wheadon - who helped turn around Geelongs kicking and more importantly decision making skills. How to kick to adavnatge. Hire this guy tomorrow.

Our disposal and decision making is woefull and not represented solely by one or a few but by the majority of players.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

It's not so much we're poor at stoppages. We win enough of our own ball, it's where we win them and how we win them.

Your right about the speed of our ball movement. When we move the ball quickly we scarcely hold onto it.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fun Fact to go with what southjoy said about kicking. Bounces per game in 2013. Geelong (18th) Hawthorn (17th) Sydney (16th) Fremantle (12th)

 

[Seadog]

Didn't really answer the question though. Our midfield was playing pretty solid when he left.

If he had stayed he would be a regular in there now.

Plus he couldn't hit the side of a barn from 10 meters with a kick. A lot of people who weren't fussed when he left have become very wise after the event.