List Mgmt. Players that Should survive our Review.

[Scotland]

Gone: Kerr (apparently), Nicoski, Embley, Selwood, Hams, Dick

Following players should be looked at hard:

Bennell
Brennan
Butler
Carter
Colledge
Dalziell
Morton
Newman
Sheppard
Smith
Tunbridge
Wilson

Honestly.. at this stage would hardly care if any of these players left...

Wouldn't be surprised to see three or four of this list go. Ten list changes is one off season would be massive.

 

[Smotie]

Gone: Kerr (apparently), Nicoski, Embley, Selwood, Hams, Dick



Wouldn't be surprised to see three or four of this list go. Ten list changes is one off season would be massive.

Do we even get 10 picks in the draft?

 

[Scotland]

Do we even get 10 picks in the draft?

We get as many picks as we want.

6, 24, 42, 60, 78 then 79, 80, 81...

 

[ChampRevesby]

We get as many picks as we want.

6, 24, 42, 60, 78 then 79, 80, 81...

We seriously need another first rounder. Put S.Selwood and Gaff on the table!

 

[Scotland]

We seriously need another first rounder. Put S.Selwood and Gaff on the table!

To get another Ebert, Swift, Stevens?

 

[ChampRevesby]

To get another Ebert, Stevens?

Last time I checked these 2 were doing fine.
The club should be ashamed they didn't give Stevens more time in the middle.
We let him go and for what, so we could play our dead wood.

 

[Scotland]

Last time I checked these 2 were doing fine.
The club should be ashamed they didn't give Stevens more time in the middle.
We let him go and for what, so we could play our dead wood.

What makes you think history won't repeat?

 

[ChampRevesby]

What makes you think history won't repeat?

I have no confidence in the clubs recruitment or S.Selwoods potential to improve.
I'm all for change so lets go with the former.

 

[Eagle87]

Didn't really answer the question though. Our midfield was playing pretty solid when he left.

If he had stayed he would be a regular in there now.

My understanding of what happened is that Ebert was being pushed to sign a new deal; he wanted assurances that he wasn't going to continue as a half forward who pinch hit in midfield; he believed he was a mid; Woosh had told him 2 years earlier he would be developed as a mid; the best he could get from the guys was that he was still best 22 but they couldn't guarantee him more midfield time; he then told them he'd wait until end if year to decide on a contract and he got dropped...

Port told him they wanted him as a mid; wanted him as a key part of a new young midfield and believed he could immediately be a leader of that group ....

He had strong Port roots; they had the same vision for him that he had; ...

I've always been shitty at Woosh for this as I believe it's on him ...

Watching Ebert on the weekend was infuriating - but good on him for becoming what he saw he could

 

[ChampRevesby]

My understanding of what happened is that Ebert was being pushed to sign a new deal; he wanted assurances that he wasn't going to continue as a half forward who pinch hit in midfield; he believed he was a mid; Woosh had told him 2 years earlier he would be developed as a mid; the best he could get from the guys was that he was still best 22 but they couldn't guarantee him more midfield time; he then told them he'd wait until end if year to decide on a contract and he got dropped...

Port told him they wanted him as a mid; wanted him as a key part of a new young midfield and believed he could immediately be a leader of that group ....

He had strong Port roots; they had the same vision for him that he had; ...

I've always been shitty at Woosh for this as I believe it's on him ...

Watching Ebert on the weekend was infuriating - but good on him for becoming what he saw he could

Absolutely this!

 

[fidstar]

My understanding of what happened is that Ebert was being pushed to sign a new deal; he wanted assurances that he wasn't going to continue as a half forward who pinch hit in midfield; he believed he was a mid; Woosh had told him 2 years earlier he would be developed as a mid; the best he could get from the guys was that he was still best 22 but they couldn't guarantee him more midfield time; he then told them he'd wait until end if year to decide on a contract and he got dropped...

Port told him they wanted him as a mid; wanted him as a key part of a new young midfield and believed he could immediately be a leader of that group ....

He had strong Port roots; they had the same vision for him that he had; ...

I've always been shitty at Woosh for this as I believe it's on him ...

Watching Ebert on the weekend was infuriating - but good on him for becoming what he saw he could

I also congratulate him on proving his worth at a new club. I'm sure he has no regrets.

And my next comment isn't on Ebert, because there are a lot of players in the same boat, but I don't like the idea of guaranteeing a player anything. Everything should be earnt.

You have to remember when he left our midfield was looking pretty good (I miss those days). Kerr was playing, Embley had a good year, Selwood was a good tagger, Gaff had a good rookie year, Shuey was going to be the next big thing and everyone's mate Priddis was running around.

It isn't unusual for a young midfielder to make his way as a forward before moving full time to the midfield (Cousins and Ablett spring to mind).

I have no doubt that if he wasn't getting a kick in Port Adelaide he wouldn't be in their midfield either. He'd be running around in the SANFL.

I need to stress I'm not having a go at Ebert. He has done very very well. We also made a mistake in not trying more to keep him. But hindsight is great if you knew our midfield was going to turn to poop and he would take the next step. We've also let a lot go that didn't.

I would also think the 'go home factor' was big. Going home and playing on a team with family as well as the family history at a club has to be a big thing.

 

[erbenz]

Wasn't the rumour that Ebert continually bested Priddis in contested work during training over pre-season and Woosha saw fit to continue to play Priddis as number one in the middle during 2011?

(NOW IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE OTHER PLAYER WAS PRIDDIS) - Looking at the state of the two club's midfield's now, and the fact that Ebert is a very important cog in the Port Adelaide midfield (Who has proven to be an more effective decision maker now that he's at a club that has FULL confidence in his ability as a starting midfielder, so much so he can play behind the ball and go forward and have more impact in either position than he did as a half-forward at West Coast), surely one could see that the wrong decision was made.

 

[Eagle87]

I also congratulate him on proving his worth at a new club. I'm sure he has no regrets.

And my next comment isn't on Ebert, because there are a lot of players in the same boat, but I don't like the idea of guaranteeing a player anything. Everything should be earnt.

You have to remember when he left our midfield was looking pretty good (I miss those days). Kerr was playing, Embley had a good year, Selwood was a good tagger, Gaff had a good rookie year, Shuey was going to be the next big thing and everyone's mate Priddis was running around.

It isn't unusual for a young midfielder to make his way as a forward before moving full time to the midfield (Cousins and Ablett spring to mind).

I have no doubt that if he wasn't getting a kick in Port Adelaide he wouldn't be in their midfield either. He'd be running around in the SANFL.

I need to stress I'm not having a go at Ebert. He has done very very well. We also made a mistake in not trying more to keep him. But hindsight is great if you knew our midfield was going to turn to poop and he would take the next step. We've also let a lot go that didn't.

I would also think the 'go home factor' was big. Going home and playing on a team with family as well as the family history at a club has to be a big thing.

There are two ways of looking at every issue. I believe Ebert felt the club didn't see him as a key component of the midfield going forward.

And I believe he is right to think that.

Woosh made an error of judgement. He's made a few.

Losing Ebert, Stevens & Swift before they were 22 all because of their perceived opportunity is fine if we ended up with an awesome midfield regardless .... But we haven't .... The commitment to Priddis hasn't helped with either Ebert or Stevens ...

Ebert routinely pantsed Priddis in head to heads at training. He was given no consistent role or minutes through the middle to develop and then no real faith was shown in him ...

He might have earned a spot given a fair chance at it - as he has done at Port.

That's on Woosh

 

[fidstar]

Wasn't the rumour that Ebert continually bested Priddis in contested work during training over pre-season and Woosha saw fit to continue to play Priddis as number one in the middle during 2011?

(NOW IGNORING THE FACT THAT THE OTHER PLAYER WAS PRIDDIS) - Looking at the state of the two club's midfield's now, and the fact that Ebert is a very important cog in the Port Adelaide midfield (Who has proven to be an more effective decision maker now that he's at a club that has FULL confidence in his ability as a starting midfielder, so much so he can play behind the ball and go forward and have more impact in either position than he did as a half-forward at West Coast), surely one could see that the wrong decision was made.

Yep, obviously it was the wrong decision, now. Assuming he was going to stay anyway.

 

[Spooky17]

There are two ways of looking at every issue. I believe Ebert felt the club didn't see him as a key component of the midfield going forward.

And I believe he is right to think that.

Woosh made an error of judgement. He's made a few.

Losing Ebert, Stevens & Swift before they were 22 all because of their perceived opportunity is fine if we ended up with an awesome midfield regardless .... But we haven't .... The commitment to Priddis hasn't helped with either Ebert or Stevens ...

Ebert routinely pantsed Priddis in head to heads at training. He was given no consistent role or minutes through the middle to develop and then no real faith was shown in him ...

He might have earned a spot given a fair chance at it - as he has done at Port.

That's on Woosh

There's a lot on Woosh tbh

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Wasn't the rumour that Ebert continually bested Priddis in contested work during training over pre-season and Woosha saw fit to continue to play Priddis as number one in the middle during 2011?

Not really a rumour. Monstered Priddis in an intra club match in 2011.

Woosha wanted to get the most out of his list and insisted on using Ebert's marking power to great effect.

 

[erbenz]

Not really a rumour. Monstered Priddis in an intra club match in 2011.

Woosha wanted to get the most out of his list and insisted on using Ebert's marking power to great effect.

Thanks for confirming the first bolded part; I just said it was a rumour because I wasn't sure.

The second part is lol. I know Ebert's a good mark, but surely you'd use the bloke who's beating your supposed best clearance player for clearances, wouldn't you?

 

[Icanwalk]

There are two ways of looking at every issue. I believe Ebert felt the club didn't see him as a key component of the midfield going forward.

And I believe he is right to think that.

Woosh made an error of judgement. He's made a few.

Losing Ebert, Stevens & Swift before they were 22 all because of their perceived opportunity is fine if we ended up with an awesome midfield regardless .... But we haven't .... The commitment to Priddis hasn't helped with either Ebert or Stevens ...

Ebert routinely pantsed Priddis in head to heads at training. He was given no consistent role or minutes through the middle to develop and then no real faith was shown in him ...

He might have earned a spot given a fair chance at it - as he has done at Port.

That's on Woosh

Glad to see some support for this view, been a proponent for a long while, despite opposition from many posters on this board, many of whom believed we adequately addressed our midfield deficiencies in the last offseason (at least at the time).

The fact that we managed to lose 3 very highly rated, young inside midfielders within the space of a few years, whilst boasting one of the weakest, least versatile/dynamic midfields in the competition is ridiculous. The fact that the coaching staff apparently did not/ have not seen these midfield difficulties approaching is damning. Change is needed, beginning with Worsfold and Burns.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What makes you think history won't repeat?

Kerr is finished and Priddis is getting on in age.

 

[Icanwalk]

Thanks for confirming the first bolded part; I just said it was a rumour because I wasn't sure.

The second part is lol. I know Ebert's a good mark, but surely you'd use the bloke who's beating your supposed best clearance player for clearances, wouldn't you?

You'd imagine so, yes. But again this brings us back to age old problems that have dogged mankind kind for eons...... Our coaching staff's conservativeness and habit of playing favourites, as well as Priddis' complete lack of versatility.

If Ebert usurped Priddis' role as our primary clearence midfielder (which he by all means should have), where would king Priddis play? Forward flank?, Offensive midfielder?, perhaps running off half-back, breaking lines and setting up play.

 

[PAdman]

Kerr is finished and Priddis is getting on in age.

Also the fact Priddis is a big problem being our number 1 midfielder.

 

[Scotland]

Also the fact Priddis is a big problem being our number 1 midfielder.

A problem that has existed for some time.

Priddis is 28 and (tongue firmly in cheek) is showing no signs of slowing down. He's only played 7 seasons at AFL level, remember.

Unless there is a drastic change with the match committee I can't see us fronting up in Rd 1 with a 'let's try Wellingham, Shuey and Selwood as our A team and use Priddis as a backup' gameplan.

 

[Spooky17]

Also the fact Priddis is a big problem being our number 1 midfielder.

Weren't you on these boards on Monday? Apparently, he is not just our number 1 midfielder but the best player to ever grace our sport

Seriously, I think there is a place for Priddis in the immediate future, but he must not be anywhere close to the number 1 midfield and has to be surrounded by at least 2-3 genuine guns (which we obviously do not have yet).

 

[The Dodger]

Thanks for confirming the first bolded part; I just said it was a rumour because I wasn't sure.

The second part is lol. I know Ebert's a good mark, but surely you'd use the bloke who's beating your supposed best clearance player for clearances, wouldn't you?

Not only that but a mid that can drift forward and take a mark over head is gold.

 

[PAdman]

Weren't you on these boards on Monday? Apparently, he is not just our number 1 midfielder but the best player to ever grace our sport

Seriously, I think there is a place for Priddis in the immediate future, but he must not be anywhere close to the number 1 midfield and has to be surrounded by at least 2-3 genuine guns (which we obviously do not have yet).

I did and I shook my head haha.

Priddis can have a place in our side but as a number 3 or 4 mid. There's no way he is good enough to be the number 1.