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[Small Moves]

It tells you nothing about the speed or trajectory of the kicks in question.

Being able to land a ball within a few meters of a cone off both feet doesn't make you an elite kick. Shane Nelson aced this test simply because he's adequate off both feet.

Never said it did. I'm saying that Gaff would have had obvious trouble on his right side, resulting in a seldom percentage of targets hit.


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[Double the Fist]

New coach throws this thread on its head.

 

[bunsen burner]

Im also agree with this. He is pretty far from being a daniel rich as far as having a skilled penetrating left foot go. I honestly believe that gaff will be playing VFL in 3 years time.

Big call. He had a tough year but midway through started to put his body on the line. He's still got another 3-4 off seasons in the gym to increase his core strength. Unfortunately we have a spud in our team called Priddis who isn't worthy of a tag so 20 year old Gaff gets it. If we get a decent midfield taggers might focus on other players allowing Gaff to get free and be damaging.

Quick recivers who run lines are valuable. How often do you see Motlop kicking with his wrong foot? Doesn't need to.

 

[patsmith]

I'd say Priddis is one of the only midfielders in our side playing his role. These arguments of 'he isn't elite' or 'he shouldn't be our number one mid' are moot. He was a rookie pick, and believe it or not not many players are elite (seems pretty obvious to me), but as an extraction midfielder he is doing the job. It's up to our younger players to surpass him, and that is yet to happen.

I haven't seen any viable alternatives in our midfield who could perform his role any better at this time, but if they were to show us they were capable of it I'd be more than happy for them to take it on. But they need to show they are up to it first. Priddis has deficiencies in his game, as most players do, but we know what we get from him every week. There are always two of our other midfielders at every centre bounce who can't extract the ball as well as he does, so don't try to say that Priddis needs to go to give others a chance.

 

[bunsen burner]

I'd say Priddis is one of the only midfielders in our side playing his role. These arguments of 'he isn't elite' or 'he shouldn't be our number one mid' are moot. He was a rookie pick, and believe it or not not many players are elite (seems pretty obvious to me), but as an extraction midfielder he is doing the job. It's up to our younger players to surpass him, and that is yet to happen.

Wow. So so clueless.

I haven't seen any viable alternatives in our midfield who could perform his role any better at this time,

Why does someone have to do "his role"? Apart from Hawkthorn with Mitchell, no other teams really have a "1 designated extractor" set up.

We just can't afford to have a player with so many deficiencies. Why is that so hard to understand? He played his role last week yet we lost by 11 goals. Perhaps his role isn't the answer? Not sure what "rookie pick" has to do with anything at all? You don't win games by improving the gap between your performance and draft position. Perhaps you don't really understand footy?

but if they were to show us they were capable of it I'd be more than happy for them to take it on. But they need to show they are up to it first.

Nope. Play them and get games into them playing in a competitive and unpredictable midfield. Priddis is holding development of others back.

Priddis has deficiencies in his game, as most players do, but we know what we get from him every week.

13th.

There are always two of our other midfielders at every centre bounce who can't extract the ball as well as he does, so don't try to say that Priddis needs to go to give others a chance.

As discussed - not sure why you are so set on this "need best extractor" mentality? Last time I checked we came in 13th using this set up.

 

[Monkey Worshipper]

Fantastic News on a New Coach.... our club needs a big shakeup... Woosha has been stale for a while and not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The Agenda of the new Coach is to F*** that Cancer out of the club, Ploddus the Butcher.

No wonder our team is going through a Player revolt, they've had a gutful of playing with hacks that continually destroy our game. Soul destroying our club to it's core and out of his depth. These comments don't adequately describe how much of a shit stain on our club has Ploddus the Butcher been.

 

[Double the Fist]

Fantastic News on a New Coach.... our club needs a big shakeup... Woosha has been stale for a while and not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The Agenda of the new Coach is to F*** that Cancer out of the club, Ploddus the Butcher.

No wonder our team is going through a Player revolt, they've had a gutful of playing with hacks that continually destroy our game. Soul destroying our club to it's core and out of his depth. These comments don't adequately describe how much of a shit stain on our club has Ploddus the Butcher been.

holy shit!

 

[patsmith]

Wow. So so clueless.

Why does someone have to do "his role"? Apart from Hawkthorn with Mitchell, no other teams really have a "1 designated extractor" set up.

We just can't afford to have a player with so many deficiencies. Why is that so hard to understand? He played his role last week yet we lost by 11 goals. Perhaps his role isn't the answer? Not sure what "rookie pick" has to do with anything at all? You don't win games by improving the gap between your performance and draft position. Perhaps you don't really understand footy?

Nope. Play them and get games into them playing in a competitive and unpredictable midfield. Priddis is holding development of others back.


13th.

As discussed - not sure why you are so set on this "need best extractor" mentality? Last time I checked we came in 13th using this set up.

Jeez mate, you can come across as a real tosser sometimes. I generally rate your posts on footy and clearly you are more passionate about this topic than I am, but is there really a need to attack me when I just presented a view different to yours? Pull your head in; your opinion is not always correct, no matter how much you'd like to think it is.

You need someone extracting the ball, otherwise you've just got a half-dozen Tom Swifts floating around the edge of the pack. I think you are undervaluing the importance of a clearance in modern footy. The reason I brought up his draft position is because of these pointless calls of 'he's not elite'. No shit he's not elite, but he plays his role well and should bring our other midfielders into the play.

Unfortunately our midfield has gone backwards this year, and to blame it on Priddis (who you seem to agree plays his role) is, to me, overly simplistic. It's not his fault that SSelwood's disposal turned to shit (again), or that Shuey was fumbling his way in and out of games. These guys won't be as good as Priddis at getting the ball out, and if we put them at the bottom of every pack we won't be utilizing their best attributes. If we acquire someone who can do what Priddis does and more, we should play them ahead of him. It hasn't happened yet.

By my count we had five elite players in 2006 (Judd, Cuz, Kerr, Cox and Glass), and we won a premiership with plenty of players with far greater deficiencies than Priddis has. Unfortunately we may never see a midfield like that again.

He shouldn't be our number one midfielder, but that isn't his fault. I'd like to see him phased out over the next few seasons, but not to get token games into kids who aren't ready to play in the guts for extended periods of time. We did ok in 2011 and 2012 when other midfielders around him performed, so hopefully if they can regain their form then this season will be seen as an aberration.

 

[Monkey Worshipper]

^^^^ Patsmith

We have played better as a midfield unit when the slow donkey has been out of our side. Better in all areas, spread, offense, defense.

He is a joke, our opposition players laugh at the debacle the Plodder is. Our very own "Shaun McManus" just the B Grade Version of him.

Woosha fell on his own sword... time for Ploddus the Butcher to redeem himself and do likewise. Deep down he would know that he's no good. Like a cancerous leech on our club, sucking the life out of any footballer with any iota of skill.

 

[patsmith]

^^^^ Patsmith

We have played better as a midfield unit when the slow donkey has been out of our side. Better in all areas, spread, offense, defense.

He is a joke, our opposition players laugh at the debacle the Plodder is. Our very own "Shaun McManus" just the B Grade Version of him.

Woosha fell on his own sword... time for Ploddus the Butcher to redeem himself and do likewise. Deep down he would know that he's no good. Like a cancerous leech on our club, sucking the life out of any footballer with any iota of skill.

Care to be more specific? Considering he's hardly missed any games in the past three years (apart from ones against GWS and GC, which you can hardly use as proof), I'm more inclined to blame the players who have far more natural ability than Priddis but who aren't getting the most out of themselves. I see SSelwood as being a better version of Priddis, but he was far more disappointing than Priddis this year yet seems to be avoiding your criticism.

Let's just put Gaff or Crippsy at the bottom of the packs and see how the team goes...

 

[bunsen burner]

Jeez mate, you can come across as a real tosser sometimes.

But you really are clueless on this matter.

You need someone extracting the ball,

Not sure where I said we didn't?

You: we need 1 extractor. If Priddis goes, who replaces him?
Me: We don't need 1 super extractor, we need multiple players who can do it. We can't afford to have one guy as it's predictable to the opposition and the guy in particular has no other skills set other than being a black belt at hair curling.

The reason I brought up his draft position is because of these pointless calls of 'he's not elite'. No shit he's not elite, but he plays his role well and should bring our other midfielders into the play.

This is the part you just don't get. Really: you just can't grasp it. if you main ball winner can't use the ball in an elite manner then your going to struggle. Typical each team gets X amount of possessions a week. You want the guys who get all the possessions to be your good decision makes, distributors, ball users, damagers, etc. Priddis can't do this. 35 odd possessions last week and hardly did any damage. The more he gets the ball at the expense of an elite ball handler THE MORE IT COSTS US.

Unfortunately our midfield has gone backwards this year, and to blame it on Priddis (who you seem to agree plays his role) is, to me, overly simplistic.

I've been quite clear that I blame the football department for setting up the midfield around Priddis. I've never blamed him personally. He's just not up to it and setting up our midfield around him is ludicrous and hasn't worked.

Have you ever once heard me say "Priddis doesn't play his role" or "Priddis isn't a team player"? No. I've just said he can't play.

These guys won't be as good as Priddis at getting the ball out,

For the 1000th time, we don't need someone as good as him. Also for the 1000th time, his lack of any other skills is a liability that must be accounted for. As a package, he is a spud. This is not the NFL where Priddis can run on, extract a ball, call time out out, run off and wait for the next stoppage.

and if we put them at the bottom of every pack we won't be utilizing their best attributes. If we acquire someone who can do what Priddis does and more, we should play them ahead of him. It hasn't happened yet.

Again, show me how many players from recent flag teams have players who are only extractors. You'll find midfields have a number of players who can play varying degrees of inside and outside.

By my count we had five elite players in 2006 (Judd, Cuz, Kerr, Cox and Glass), and we won a premiership with plenty of players with far greater deficiencies than Priddis has.

Not sure how this is relevant? Priddis is our main ball winner. He's not up to it, and can't play anywhere else. Unfortunately the powers that be have set up our midfield around him. 13th.

He shouldn't be our number one midfielder, but that isn't his fault.

Again, no one is saying it is.

 

[Small Moves]

The draft cannot come quick enough.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

You need someone extracting the ball, otherwise you've just got a half-dozen Tom Swifts floating around the edge of the pack. I think you are undervaluing the importance of a clearance in modern footy. The reason I brought up his draft position is because of these pointless calls of 'he's not elite'. No shit he's not elite, but he plays his role well and should bring our other midfielders into the play.

Swift never lacked the ability to win his own ball. If you think otherwise you didn't watch him hard enough for long enough.

When you say "a clearance" it sounds like you're implying that all clearances are of equal value. Ball in hand is always useful, assuming the player has the capacity to use it.

The capacity of someone to bring others into the game is probably one of Priddis's better attributes, which was why he was tagged through 2009 and 2010 when Kerr missed games. The problem is that it's really hard to stop Priddis from getting first disposals. What is really easy to do to Priddis is scrag his disposal and cut of his exits.
For instance if you put someone with some leg speed on Priddis, then you as an AFL coach probably wouldn't want them to over commit to physical contests with him. Instead you get them to put their body between Priddis and Shuey/ Gaff.

Unfortunately our midfield has gone backwards this year, and to blame it on Priddis (who you seem to agree plays his role) is, to me, overly simplistic. It's not his fault that SSelwood's disposal turned to shit (again), or that Shuey was fumbling his way in and out of games. These guys won't be as good as Priddis at getting the ball out, and if we put them at the bottom of every pack we won't be utilizing their best attributes. If we acquire someone who can do what Priddis does and more, we should play them ahead of him. It hasn't happened yet.

Clean hands aren't Shuey's primary strengths. Running from stoppages and contested kicking are his primary strengths.

Unfortunately with the demise of Kerr and the lack of rotational depth and attracting a follower, Shuey is required to play a more inside role of face being left out in the cold with little ball and an opponent on his backside. His inside game has improved given the additional physical pressure he faces. It's a shame he's done it at the expense of his outside run and kicking inside 50.

S.Selwood and Shuey in spite of not being principally first disposal types are more than capable of winning 4-5.5 clearances a game. That's with Priddis in the side, it would be foolish to assume that those would plateau with him out of the team.

The best thing that could happen for Shuey and Gaff is for other players to step up and demand a tag/ run with player of their own. Masten and Wellingham are the only two players with a fraction of a chance of doing this.

If you were to take Priddis out of the side and replace him with someone capable of winning 4-5.5 clearances but has a few other tricks up their sleeve? How much are we going to lose out because of raw clearance numbers and how much are we going to gain from this player hitting targets? kicking goals? taking marks? running from stoppages? or whatever they're superior to Priddis in.

It's interesting to note that even without our two most creative clearances players in Kerr and Naitanui we've won more clearances in 2013 than in 2012. Yet our outside run and spread disappeared? It's not like the two aren't connected.

By my count we had five elite players in 2006 (Judd, Cuz, Kerr, Cox and Glass), and we won a premiership with plenty of players with far greater deficiencies than Priddis has. Unfortunately we may never see a midfield like that again.

He shouldn't be our number one midfielder, but that isn't his fault. I'd like to see him phased out over the next few seasons, but not to get token games into kids who aren't ready to play in the guts for extended periods of time. We did ok in 2011 and 2012 when other midfielders around him performed, so hopefully if they can regain their form then this season will be seen as an aberration.

I don't like this attitude at all. The aspiration should be to build the best team possible in the hope it's good enough to win a flag. 2006 is a different football era and the deeds of Banfield and Rojo aren't that relevant to our current problem.

I think the question you should be asking is why S.Selwood, Shuey and Gaff all struggled in 2013.

 

[swannies]

Fantastic News on a New Coach.... our club needs a big shakeup... Woosha has been stale for a while and not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The Agenda of the new Coach is to F*** that Cancer out of the club, Ploddus the Butcher.

No wonder our team is going through a Player revolt, they've had a gutful of playing with hacks that continually destroy our game. Soul destroying our club to it's core and out of his depth. These comments don't adequately describe how much of a shit stain on our club has Ploddus the Butcher been.

Monkey Worshipper, not sure you get your point across well when so vehement. Just tone it down a bit and people might actually listen to what you have to say.

 

[Evo47]

Im also agree with this. He is pretty far from being a daniel rich as far as having a skilled penetrating left foot go. I honestly believe that gaff will be playing VFL in 3 years time.

How much do you want to bet on Gaff? I have a good credit rating and a willingness to borrow...

 

[Natho]

Bit rough on gaff..

 

[WesternHills]

Swift never lacked the ability to win his own ball. If you think otherwise you didn't watch him hard enough for long enough.

When you say "a clearance" it sounds like you're implying that all clearances are of equal value. Ball in hand is always useful, assuming the player has the capacity to use it.

The capacity of someone to bring others into the game is probably one of Priddis's better attributes, which was why he was tagged through 2009 and 2010 when Kerr missed games. The problem is that it's really hard to stop Priddis from getting first disposals. What is really easy to do to Priddis is scrag his disposal and cut of his exits.
For instance if you put someone with some leg speed on Priddis, then you as an AFL coach probably wouldn't want them to over commit to physical contests with him. Instead you get them to put their body between Priddis and Shuey/ Gaff.




Clean hands aren't Shuey's primary strengths. Running from stoppages and contested kicking are his primary strengths.

Unfortunately with the demise of Kerr and the lack of rotational depth and attracting a follower, Shuey is required to play a more inside role of face being left out in the cold with little ball and an opponent on his backside. His inside game has improved given the additional physical pressure he faces. It's a shame he's done it at the expense of his outside run and kicking inside 50.

S.Selwood and Shuey in spite of not being principally first disposal types are more than capable of winning 4-5.5 clearances a game. That's with Priddis in the side, it would be foolish to assume that those would plateau with him out of the team.

The best thing that could happen for Shuey and Gaff is for other players to step up and demand a tag/ run with player of their own. Masten and Wellingham are the only two players with a fraction of a chance of doing this.

If you were to take Priddis out of the side and replace him with someone capable of winning 4-5.5 clearances but has a few other tricks up their sleeve? How much are we going to lose out because of raw clearance numbers and how much are we going to gain from this player hitting targets? kicking goals? taking marks? running from stoppages? or whatever they're superior to Priddis in.

It's interesting to note that even without our two most creative clearances players in Kerr and Naitanui we've won more clearances in 2013 than in 2012. Yet our outside run and spread disappeared? It's not like the two aren't connected.



I don't like this attitude at all. The aspiration should be to build the best team possible in the hope it's good enough to win a flag. 2006 is a different football era and the deeds of Banfield and Rojo aren't that relevant to our current problem.

I think the question you should be asking is why S.Selwood, Shuey and Gaff all struggled in 2013.

I tend to agree.

Though after putting this through the football calculator, the results speak volumes...

 

[QS]

Has anyone ever seen EasternHills and WesternHills in the same room?

 

[West Coast Weasel]

Has anyone ever seen EasternHills and WesternHills in the same room?

So how long should we wait for the obligatory 'SQ quoting QS' posts?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

EasternHiIIs > WesternHills > EasternHills

 

[QS]

So how long should we wait for the obligatory 'SQ quoting QS' posts?

Won't happen, can't have two letter usernames anymore.. already tried that ;-)

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Hawthorn lost the clearances 32 (22 CC, 9 ST) to 46 (16 CC, 30 ST).

 

[erbenz]

Hawthorn lost the clearances 32 (22 CC, 9 ST) to 46 (16 CC, 30 ST).

Also note that in last year's grand final, this was pretty much inverted.

 

[WesternHills]

Hawthorn lost the clearances 32 (22 CC, 9 ST) to 46 (16 CC, 30 ST).

Even more interesting results when put through the calculator.

Not sure what to think of this...

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Love the helicopter.

Also note that in last year's grand final, this was pretty

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