Players you would like to see play ODI cricket this summer

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Wade.

Maybe a few others (would love to see Hodge, but I think the ship has sailed there) but Wade is the one that I really want to see. A lot has been said on BF about his ability as a keeper, and this is a perfect opportunity to have a look at him at an international level for those, such as myself, who haven't seen much of him.
 

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Nathan Coulter-Nile - For his fielding as much as his bowling. Probably in the top 5 fielders in the country.

Mitch Marsh - Could be the next big thing in Australian cricket if all the components click together.

Dan Christian - Exciting player.

Travis Birt - Definitely the International T20s; I have a feeling this Big Bash might be the making of him. Set for a big IPL with the Daredevils. :thumbsu:

Glen Maxwell* - Injured, but a bloke who I'd like to see when he's back, fit and firing.

Mitch Starc - Looks a much better bowler in the shorter forms.

Michael Beer - Form domestic limited overs spin bowler.
 

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Johnson - run leaker, can't bowl.
has been very good in ODI's.

hilf and siddle have struggled but with their improvement this summer they will probably got another shot.

i don't think the white ball swings as much as the red ball so that may be where hilf's problems lie. has struggled in ODD's as well. Could also be a reason why steyn hasn't been as destructive in ODI's.

Coutler-Nile, Faulkner, mcdermott should definately get some international exposure.
 
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Brett Lee - as good as he is we have a wealth of good young bowlers and he is not required. He won't make the next world cup there for is not the future.
Bring on Brett Lee to lead the attack.

Leave Siddle and Hilfenhaus out of the one day side. Both have been injured due to mismanagement of their workload in the past, playing one dayers when they shouldn't have been.
 
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Lee is a gun ODI bowler, and the guy is a fitness freak, really doesn't get injured a lot.

I see no reason not to play him so that we can save Pattinson and Cummins for test match cricket, especially in the next 2-3 years until they fully mature.

I wouldn't mind seeing a rotating attack in ODIs this summer (if all fit) of:

Lee
Harris
Starc
McDermott
Coulter-Nile
Cutting

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Beer and O'Keefe
 

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Ferguson (is he fit atm?)
Faulkner

Don't know much about Coulter-Nile, but judging by the amount of mentions he's getting, I'd like to see him too!
 

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I hope Ferguson regains form, he's a player of the future. I really think the ODI team should for the young and as a gate way to the test arena. That is why Haddin, Lee and possibly even Harris should play little ODIs. On the other hand you still want to win. The white ball swings fine, but not when it gets old. Swing in OD cricket is a massive key to getting early wickets, just look at Bracken's career. Hilfenhaus always bowled far too short in all forms of cricket until he got away from the coaching of Troy Cooley and is now a good bowler. Hilfy could be the Nathan Bracken type we have been looking for. Siddle perhaps should be rotated but his batting makes him a great option, same with Pattinson. I recon Starc needs to play plenty of cricket and learn to bowl a consistant line and swing the ball. McDermott is a more than handy bowler as well.

The next ODI world cup is in 2015. Haddin, Lee and Harris. Won't be playing then. Siddle probably will be. Watson will likely not be there. Hilfy might be. Clarke might be just playing tests by then. This is what we should be building up to.
 

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For all those talking about Siddle, he hasn't played an ODI for Australia for about 14 months and has an ODI average of 38, with a strike rate of a wicket every 50 balls (from 17 games). Clint McKay, on the other hand, for example, has an ODI average of 21 and a strike rate of 26, from 15 games. Funnily enough they played their last ODI's within 2 days of each other, but McKay has only missed out since then because he had a long term injury, that kept him from playing more and from going to the World Cup. In his last ODI he had figures of 5 for 33. He is surely somewhere in calculations, as he is right back to his best in the Big Bash and got a big bag of wickets in his second last Shield match.
Sidds has struggled to get his head around one day and T20 cricket (he was only just getting a game for Vic in those forms 12 months ago) so we may be better off letting his concentrate on first class and test cricket, as we have so many other viable and equally good, if not better options for one day cricket.
There's little need to have him playing heaps of ODI's as well as tests. This could really keep him fresh for tests for many years to come.
(If he does play in the ODI's I expect he will go a hell of a lot better than he was previously, though, thanks largely to him pitching the ball up more and having much more confidence.)
I think this is the perfect time for those selecting the side to come out and say that we're now going to have virtually different squads (although we have basically been doing that for quite a long time now) for the 3 forms of cricket (especially on the bowling side of things, where we have a shitload of options), to let those in each "squad" really concentrate on that form of the game for the time being and not get burned out from playing too much cricket. It would also let those shorter form teams stay relatively settled and not be a revolving door, which would help them to gel as a unit. That will give them much greater chance of winning things like World Cups, I imagine.
 

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The problem is that you could make a good case for about 10 of them at the moment and 10 into 3 doesn't go very well!
May be the perfect time to resurrect the "A Team".
Even if they didn't want to have the "A" team play a full series, like they did in the 90's, maybe for development purposes they ought to have them play a game or two each summer, before the ODI series starts, to give them some top quality exposure against International opposition. Maybe this year, instead of Sri Lanka playing the PM's XI, they could have played our "proper" A team, on one of the main stadiums, in a televised match. That could have done a hell of a lot for the development of those pushing for inclusion in our ODI side and would reduce the need to have to play younger ones in the main side (at the expense of someone who is really more "deserving") for their development. Maybe after playing Sri Lanka they could have played our first-11 side, which would give our first 11 a good warm up match and it would probably be a ratings and crowd winner.
The "A" team could be full of those mentioned in this thread, like McDermott, Coulter-Nile, Faulkner, O'Keefe, Mitch Marsh, Wade/Triffet, Ferguson, Birt, Quiney, Finch, Maddinson, etc. How is that for a team?
 

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I'd give Siddle another crack purely because he can bat a bit and because his bowling has improved heaps in the last 6 months. If "the new Siddle" is no good at ODI cricket like the old Siddle then we move on.
 

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Siddle certainly can bat, but is it the sort of batting you want in ODI cricket, at the death (when he's likely to be coming in)? In tests he hardly plays a shot "in anger" and just plays good orthodox shots, which, in an ODI game, at the death, would most likely get you a single (as they'll have 5 or so on the fence).
The one I see him competing with the most for a spot in the ODI side is Brett Lee (who bowls similarly fast and aggressively, but with a far, far better ODI record- average 22, strike rate 29) and I think he is more capable of clearing the boundary and getting quick runs.
Another who also looks more likely to hit big shots is Mitchell Starc (who was apparently a "batsman/keeper" before he took up bowling), who has already shown in test cricket that he can hit big fours (which in ODI's could be sixes). His one day record is considerably better than his first class record and he's also dominating the Big Bash games he's playing in at the moment. He bowls "unplayable", swinging yorkers better than most and certainly better than Sidds usually does, which is vital in ODI's.
I mean I love Sidds and defended him for a long time during his down period, as I knew he could turn it around and being from the Big V I would love to see him playing much more for Aust, but on the other hand, if I put my Aus "hat" on, I wouldn't be disappointed if they just kept him for test cricket and let some of the others do the one day thing. I'll be happy either way.
 
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The next ODI world cup is in 2015. Haddin, Lee and Harris. Won't be playing then. Siddle probably will be. Watson will likely not be there. Hilfy might be. Clarke might be just playing tests by then. This is what we should be building up to.
I agree in part with what you're saying, but I still think we have to pick our best ODI side now, as well as manage the young kids in Pattinson and Cummins.

I think there is an outside possibility Lee will still be there for the next WC. He will be 38, but he looks after his rig really well, and he'd be handy leading the attack.

I agree about Harris, but I think you still play him if fit now. His ODI record is very impressive. I don't think he'll be around for another three years, but we want to win this series and all future series to build momentum for the WC.

With both those guys, I'd keep playing them until they get injured, then replace them with the next best as it happens.

I'm not so sure about Haddin. If he fires with the bat in a one dayer it can be spectacular, but he seems to be losing it with the gloves and the bat. Only 2 years ago I thought he was easily in our top six batsman as well as being our keeper, but now I have lost all faith in him.
 

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Again, to really aid the development of our ODI side towards the next World Cup, I think bringing the "A" team back, to some degree, would only help with that.
Watching some of the highlights of the A team games from the 90's, on Foxtel recently, it really reminded me just how many went from the A-team to have terrific international careers for Australia (the likes of Michael Bevan and many others). I imagine playing in that team really helped with their development and let them know they were ready for the big-time.
 

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I have one of those Aus V Aus A games. I think Ponting, McGrath, Bevan, Hayden, Martyn all played for the A side, it was and would still be a great thing.
 

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I agree it contributed enormously to the decade of success we had. Audiences were interested in those games and they we're fabulously competitive.

But it wasn't considered appropriate to have games where Australian crowds weren't cheering for "their" 11, so they're gone for good.
 

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As far as youth goes, Wade, Coulter-Nile and perhaps Mitch Marsh. Would also love to see Clint McKay back.

Steve O'Keefe is another guy I wouldn't mind seeing in the team, if successful can add a lot more than Doherty.

I hope we see Ferguson back in the side. I think he is the finisher to replace Hussey when he retires.
Agree :thumbsu:
 

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As far as youth goes, Wade, Coulter-Nile and perhaps Mitch Marsh. Would also love to see Clint McKay back.

Steve O'Keefe is another guy I wouldn't mind seeing in the team, if successful can add a lot more than Doherty.



Agree :thumbsu:
Are People judging Doherty on his test matches he should never have been picked.

Doherty is a one day specialist spinner and is superb at the 50 over format, he's dominated the 50 over game in state cricket and has been very good for Australia in the version too. The only thing that leaves a question mark is his fielding but his bowling in 50 over cricket is the best of the spinners in the country and has been for several years.
 

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Are People judging Doherty on his test matches he should never have been picked.

Doherty is a one day specialist spinner and is superb at the 50 over format, he's dominated the 50 over game in state cricket and has been very good for Australia in the version too. The only thing that leaves a question mark is his fielding but his bowling in 50 over cricket is the best of the spinners in the country and has been for several years.
Yeah, this. Doherty is a great 50 over bowler. I'm a big fan of SOK, but he's just never seemed to get his head around the 50 over game (despite great success in FC and T20 cricket). SOK can bat a bit, sure, but Doherty is no slouch with the willow, and is a far superior 50 over bowler.
 

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Are People judging Doherty on his test matches he should never have been picked.

Doherty is a one day specialist spinner and is superb at the 50 over format, he's dominated the 50 over game in state cricket and has been very good for Australia in the version too. The only thing that leaves a question mark is his fielding but his bowling in 50 over cricket is the best of the spinners in the country and has been for several years.
No I agree Doherty is a fabulous limited overs bowler. And SOK's domestic limited overs bowling average is ridiculously ordinary. I just think he really adds something with the bat whilst Doherty, well, not so much.
 

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I think by the end of the ODD season, you could build a case that Michael Beer > Xavier Doherty in the format.

Has been superb, and his economy rate of around 3.6 is easily the best in the comp for a full time bowler.
 
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