Playing List Overhaul

[WaynesWorld19]

Burton played his best footy last year as the "get out" man coming out of defense on the fat side of the ground. His endurance enabled him to run up and down the ground all day long - receiving from a defender out wide - then creating the loose man on the way up the other side of the ground..He'd then run deeper into the forward line and try and take a mark. If we lost possession he'd then run back to be the "get out" man again. His disposal while never beeing great didn't seem to be as much of an issue as it is now. I know he's kicked lots of goals in the past as a perm forward - but I think his true value is as a winger - no-one can keep up with him.....Hopefully Sensei Neil can teach him much

Excellent thoughts, totally agree

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

really?

Begley and Bode's disposal is at least as bad as Burton's, imo. And they certainly won't cover the same territory he does (at a v.good pace too).
Reilly and Doughty know how to use it but Doughty doesn't get enough of it for a wingman.

I don't want to start the whole forward vs midfield arguement again but i don't see what Burton adds to the forward line without taking away from Welsh. If you think Burton is going to get 50+ how many are you expecting out of Welsh?

IMO Bode's disposal is worse than Burton, even though he has a better footy brain. IMO, Begley's disposal is better than both of them, but he doesn't get enough of the ball as a wingman & is better suited in the backline (similar to Dogga in this respect).

 

[Stiffy_18]

A 6' bird legged forwrd, with a kicking leg I wouldn't put my house on, to play FF and win us a flag can't see it.

1. We have done a bloody good job with him as our FF for 2 thirds of the season and he kicked 52 goals that year. I think I might also note that we played off in a preliminary final that year and with a bit of luck would have gone on to GF.

2. Burton is one of the better set shots at goal in our team. Statistics would show that he is a very reliable kick for goal.

Some substance to your argument please

 

[WaynesWorld19]

OK with one game to go, I don't think there will be many changes.

We have to remember that few trades are done by each club, so as much as we say trade, the chances are minute that it will happen.
Also each draftee now has a minimum sign on period of 2 years, thus making clubs reluctant to draft large numbers of kids, particularly in a weak draft.
Heres what I think will happen to the list

Will Happen​

2. Wayne Carey

Gone​

3. Kris Massie
4. Matthew Clarke
5. Ronnie Burns

Gone​

6. Fergus Watts
7. Nigel Smart

Gone​

8. Nathan Bassett
9. Tyson Edwards
10. Matthew Bode

Trade​

11. Michael Doughty
12. Robert Shirley

Delist​

13. Ben Hudson
14. Hayden Skipworth
15. Jason Torney
16. Ken McGregor
17. Scott Welsh
18. Graham Johncock
19. Mark Stevens

Gone​

20. Tyson Stenglein

Trade​

21. James Gallagher

Delist​

22. Ian Perrie
23. Andrew McLeod
24. Brett Burton
25. Ben Rutten
26. Jacob Schuback
27. Scott Stevens
28. James Begley
30. Luke Jericho
31. Joshua Krueger
32. Mark Ricciuto
33. Brent Reilly
34. Ben Hart
35. Rhett Biglands
36. Simon Goodwin
37. Trent Hentschel
39. Martin Mattner
40. Chris Ladhams
44. Nathan Bock

That makes (including the spare spot) 9 new spots on the list assuming the Bode/Stenglein trades are for draft picks, which I think they will be.
If Smith and Parker are retained on the list proper we will have 7 draft picks.
Hopefully 4 will be 1st/2nd round choices.

Craig has shown his hand and will be trying Doughty as the club tagger.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

1. We have done a bloody good job with him as our FF for 2 thirds of the season and he kicked 52 goals that year. I think I might also note that we played off in a preliminary final that year and with a bit of luck would have gone on to GF.

2. Burton is one of the better set shots at goal in our team. Statistics would show that he is a very reliable kick for goal.

Some substance to your argument please

Stiffy your not seriously suggesting he is a reliable kick?
He is not a bad kick but a sharpshooter he is not - would prefer to put my money on Welsh - take the glasses off

Please do not suggest the reason we nearly played off in the GF was because Burton played FF

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Stiffy your not seriously suggesting he is a reliable kick?
He is not a bad kick but a sharpshooter he is not - would prefer to put my money on Welsh - take the glasses off

Please do not suggest the reason we nearly played off in the GF was because Burton played FF

I'm with Stiffy that Burton is a reliable kick for goal ... but so is Welsh (though hasn't been as good as usual of late).

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm with Stiffy that Burton is a reliable kick for goal ... but so is Welsh (though hasn't been as good as usual of late).

Would you put your house on the line though

Think I would stick with Lloyd, or Lynch

 

[Crow-mosone]

With respect, he's 28 and what you have now is "as good as it gets"

spot on.

I am personally sceptical of any attempt to teach 'better decision making'. fact is he get splenty of it, which is more than can be said for some.

winning the pill, and burning it is still probably better than not getting near it, and waving your opponent through like a matador if accidently happen to be in the vicinty of it.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Stiffy your not seriously suggesting he is a reliable kick?
He is not a bad kick but a sharpshooter he is not - would prefer to put my money on Welsh - take the glasses off

Please do not suggest the reason we nearly played off in the GF was because Burton played FF

I am sorry but when someone who after round 8 is moved to FF and ends up kicking 52 goals for the season to be your leading goal kicker is in your side you can say that he is one of the reasons that you had a good year.

Welshy's kicking of late has been average. Burton is a VERY reliable kick for goal. Especially from set shots.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

spot on.
winning the pill, and burning it is still probably better than not getting near it, and waving your opponent through like a matador if accidently happen to be in the vicinty of it.

In todays football I would be calling a photo finish on that

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I am sorry but when someone who after round 8 is moved to FF and ends up kicking 52 goals for the season to be your leading goal kicker is in your side you can say that he is one of the reasons that you had a good year.

Welshy's kicking of late has been average. Burton is a VERY reliable kick for goal. Especially from set shots.

Agree to disagree (as usual)

 

[arrowman]

...That makes (including the spare spot) 9 new spots on the list assuming the Bode/Stenglein trades are for draft picks, which I think they will be.
If Smith and Parker are retained on the list proper we will have 7 draft picks.
Hopefully 4 will be 1st/2nd round choices.

Question: If delisting a player gives us a 3rd, 4th or 5th round draft pick, how bad does that player have to be??? I'm not sure we should put ourselves in a position where we're swapping players for 4th or 5th round picks; better to leave them until next year. We can't fix everything at once.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Question: If delisting a player gives us a 3rd, 4th or 5th round draft pick, how bad does that player have to be??? I'm not sure we should put ourselves in a position where we're swapping players for 4th or 5th round picks; better to leave them until next year. We can't fix everything at once.

I agree, thats the decision Richmond made last year.
And particularly if those 4th or 5th round players have to be signed on 2 year contracts.

3rd round is about as low as I would go.

Having said that we picked Hudson up at 58? so maybe a SANFL player or VFL player to suit specific short term needs.

Is Hazell worth upgrading????

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Im all for Burton being played up forward and I have stated this many times.
I know his aerobic fitness will be wasted but who cares if he is burning the ball way too often. Who is going to outleap or outmark him?
I think people are getting on a bit a witch hunt in regards to Burton, sure he makes a few mistakes but christ who doesnt? when you get the ball as often as he does he will have a few extra clangers than everyone else. He can win a game of his own boot and IMO has a fairly reliable kick.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Question: If delisting a player gives us a 3rd, 4th or 5th round draft pick, how bad does that player have to be??? I'm not sure we should put ourselves in a position where we're swapping players for 4th or 5th round picks; better to leave them until next year. We can't fix everything at once.

Certainly no point going for a 5th round pick IMO, compared to what we delist. However, could look at having 5 picks if we trade up in the draft for earlier choices.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Im all for Burton being played up forward and I have stated this many times.
I know his aerobic fitness will be wasted but who cares if he is burning the ball way too often. Who is going to outleap or outmark him?
I think people are getting on a bit a witch hunt in regards to Burton, sure he makes a few mistakes but christ who doesnt? when you get the ball as often as he does he will have a few extra clangers than everyone else. He can win a game of his own boot and IMO has a fairly reliable kick.

Not on a which hunt.
Just he has neither the physical or mental attributes IMO to be a premiership FF.

Doesn't mean he is not a valuable player, and as for trading him, again very few players are "untouchable" and to get a good draft pick you have to give up quality.

Having said that if Burton is that good a FF why would Richmond (who Wallace has said that Richardson would be played elsewhere) laugh at a trade of Biglands + Burton for Ottens.

Surely if he is that good????

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Certainly no point going for a 5th round pick IMO, compared to what we delist. However, could look at having 5 picks if we trade up in the draft for earlier choices.

I think we will delist 2-3, and If we don't want 7 picks then player trades will have to be done.

I agree 5th round picks are a waste, unless we re-draft a Crow delisted player?

 

[Bockchoy67]

Not on a which hunt.
Just he has neither the physical or mental attributes IMO to be a premiership FF.

Perhaps he should be used a a floater between the midfield and the forward line, but with more focus in our 50 (contrary to his current position). It would help to have someone with his athleticism and his ability in kicking for goal.

He wastes the ball far too much to be used as a strictly midfield player.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Perhaps he should be used a a floater between the midfield and the forward line, but with more focus in our 50 (contrary to his current position). It would help to have someone with his athleticism and his ability in kicking for goal.

He wastes the ball far too much to be used as a strictly midfield player.

He started as a CHF with WWT.
How do you think he would go in a HFF role with roaming liscence similar to Carey??

Just a thought?

 

[Bockchoy67]

He started as a CHF with WWT.
How do you think he would go in a HFF role with roaming liscence similar to Carey??

Just a thought?

I think Wayne performed very well in that role early in the year, so I believe Birdman would be the right person to fill that role.

He has an undeniable ability to mark the ball in contested situations, as well attract the ball like a magnet. He would be very effective in the role, picking up possessions at will while using his goal-kicking prowess effectively.

Definitely a much better move then playing him on the wing and letting him turn the ball into ash.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Not on a which hunt.
Just he has neither the physical or mental attributes IMO to be a premiership FF.

Doesn't mean he is not a valuable player, and as for trading him, again very few players are "untouchable" and to get a good draft pick you have to give up quality.

Having said that if Burton is that good a FF why would Richmond (who Wallace has said that Richardson would be played elsewhere) laugh at a trade of Biglands + Burton for Ottens.

Surely if he is that good????

Im not saying if he was played at FF he would become a coleman medallist or anything I dont rate him that highly nor does anyone else as a FF but I think with our current lack of a quality forward who can take a pack mark he would be our best bet of there.
Once we get that quality forward which hopefully Watts will become move him back out to the wing to run all day.

 

[Leigh Roy]

Get Territorians.

 

[arrowman]

I agree, thats the decision Richmond made last year.

And Frawley reckons their list is better than ours.

Having said that we picked Hudson up at 58? so maybe a SANFL player or VFL player to suit specific short term needs.

A very good point. Players like that are proof the draft doesn’t turn to rubbish after pick 25.

Certainly no point going for a 5th round pick IMO, compared to what we delist. However, could look at having 5 picks if we trade up in the draft for earlier choices.

I agree, I’m hoping we can do deals for a few picks in the range 10-30. 4 or 5 picks in the first 35-40 would be a good way to enter the draft. And that would mean we trade a lot more players than we delist.

 

[Mong]

Certainly no point going for a 5th round pick IMO, compared to what we delist. However, could look at having 5 picks if we trade up in the draft for earlier choices.

Dunno about that. Sure, odds are you'll get a dud but the players we'd delist are duds anyway.

But on the upside you could get a Johncock, Schuback or the likes who were drafted fairly late. Then there's always guys who weren't drafted at all initially like Hentschel or Surjan from Port, or even Jamar from Melbourne and fell through into the preseason draft. We could take a risk on these types of players. If we take three late in the draft and one turns out good and two fail then it's worth it in our current position. Afterall, as I said, if the players being delisted are duds (and they would be) then we're not really losing anything.


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[Mong]

****, you misunderstood my post completely.

I am not saying this IS true. I was simply pointing out a flaw in the previous posts argument.

I missed this post yesterday for some reason.

Yeah, I did misunderstand your post. Sorry 'bout that.


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