Playoffs for Bucks in '09?

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Suddenly Bucks are looking formidable...

C: Bogut
PF: Villanueva/Alexander
SF: Jefferson
SG: Redd
PG: Williams

Not A grade but formidable enough for the Bucks to land 50 wins next season I reckon... Bogut will take another step, Villanueva and Alexander will compliment each other nice depending on what is required together they have most components (pity not in the same body but oh well...), Jefferson is a solid 20+ppg as is Redd, and Williams is no mug at the PG.

Jefferson will make the Bucks far less one-dimensional which will spread the defence to either wing, Alexander shapes as an athletic swingman, Bogut is getting far better at holding down the fort in the middle, so finally Williams will have a number of options to dish to.

Defense has been their main weakness however, yet Scott Skiles has built a reputation at the Bulls for generating great defences so that will help them a lot as well.

They shape as big improvers next season all of a sudden.

Predictions for them next season?

I can't see them bothering the Celtics or the big West teams but everybody else they should have their measure if they learn to gel well, which has always been a Bucks problem but I am quietly optimistic the wheel is turning in that regard down in Milwaukee.

Great trade landing Jefferson for Yi and Simmons. :)
 

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Thats what everyone said last year as well as they looked very promising, theres no doubt RJeff brings some credability to this team, if they cant make the Playoffs with this team and that defencive minded coach, they never will.

What Im worried about is that they will have 5 shooters out on the floor at once, Sessions proved hes an incredible PG getting 20+assists last year in a game, and was exactly what the team needs, not Mo Williams.

Trade Mo!
 

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Suddenly Bucks are looking formidable...

C: Bogut
PF: Villanueva/Alexander
SF: Jefferson
SG: Redd
PG: Williams

Not A grade but formidable enough for the Bucks to land 50 wins next season I reckon...
If the Bucks win 50 games next season, I'm buying a Dan Gadzuric jersey.

It's such a peculiar roster. Especially given their new coach is Skiles, and their new GM is from Detroit.
 

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Great trade for the Bucks. If Ji ends up being the bust he looks like so far they've basically landed a great SF for nothing.

The Bucks seem to look better on paper than on the court, and after they tie up Bogut on his big cash deal their salary cap is basically locked in with him, Redd & Mo all on 4+ years and big money. If they don't make the playoffs with RJ they are stuffed. You don't see many white guys making it at PF either, we'll see how Alexander goes.
 

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no.

who knows if they'll trade redd away to..say....the cavs. williams is a shoot first PG. if redd and williams stay then expect not much improvement.
 

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who knows if they'll trade redd away to..say....the cavs. williams is a shoot first PG. if redd and williams stay then expect not much improvement.
As a previous poster brought up, Sessions was great this year when he filled in for Williams so I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams shipped off for some depth.

Can't foresee another home for Redd, can't see them getting his equal or superior for him and they wouldn't accept under price.

Bucks obviously rate themselves though going for 6 time all star 28 year old in Jefferson, Skiles and co. must think within 3-4 years they will be contending otherwise Jefferson wouldn't be worth it...
 

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who knows if they'll trade redd away to..say....the cavs. williams is a shoot first PG. if redd and williams stay then expect not much improvement.
For who by the way to the Cavs? Only one man on that roster worthy and I don't think the Cavs would accept a 23 year old Jordan for him... :eek:

Redd for Arenas?? Arenas seems like he wants out of Washington, especially if Jamison goes he basically guaranteed he will go too...

If Bucks could land Arenas AND Jamison for Redd, Williams and some fluff I would call the Bucks contenders, but unfortunately if that were to happen I'm pretty sure Bogut would then be a Wizard... :(
 

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Good trade for the Bucks. Yi would have to be one of the most blocked players in the league and Simmons had become an expensive liability.

Don't see Williams and CV staying. Neither are Skiles type of players. Will be packaged with the rights to Ersan Illyasova and/or Mason for a banger PF IMO

Sessions
Redd
RJ
Banger PF
Bogut

That's a good team in the East if they can acquire a decent PF and Bogut continues to improve.
 

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For who by the way to the Cavs? Only one man on that roster worthy and I don't think the Cavs would accept a 23 year old Jordan for him... :eek:

Redd for Arenas?? Arenas seems like he wants out of Washington, especially if Jamison goes he basically guaranteed he will go too...

If Bucks could land Arenas AND Jamison for Redd, Williams and some fluff I would call the Bucks contenders, but unfortunately if that were to happen I'm pretty sure Bogut would then be a Wizard... :(
Wow you really don't like guys who can defend at all do you? If the Bucks are going to go anywhere it wouldn't be by exchanging our shot happy matadors for another team's soft counterparts. Milwaukee needs to get a defensive 4 and some depth not more scorers.
 

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If the Bucks win 50 games next season, I'm buying a Dan Gadzuric jersey.

It's such a peculiar roster. Especially given their new coach is Skiles, and their new GM is from Detroit.
It's a roster in motion. Give it a week or two and we'll have an idea of how good the team will be.
 

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Any team relying on Charlie V will never win 50 games. He'll miss probably 15-20 games with injury. Williams must go and Sessions to take over the point. Let's not forget the prince from Cameroon!!!! The Human Alphabet!
 

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Yeah. I start to question whether Yi had demanded a move behind the scenes. We all know he never wanted to go to Milwaukee in the first place, maybe there was a bit of pressure there.
fair point,He got a soon to be big market team now(Brooklyn)
 
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Trade Redd to Cleveland for the rumoured deal of Varejao and Szczerbiak (expiring) plus next season's first rounder. Then look to dump Mo Williams to Miami for Udonis Haslem or something like that (depth). They wanted him 2 seasons ago and need a point guard!

Roster then resembles a team and not a bunch of individuals:

C Bogut/Varejao/Gadzuric
PF Villanueva/Haslem
SF Alexander/Mason
SG Jefferson/Szczerbiak
PG Sessions/Ivey/Bell

Won't happen but if this were NBA Live that's what I would do!
 

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I agree. But that roster won't sniff the playoffs.

What were your thoughts on the Yi deal? iirc you were fairly high on him.
Very high but he came with enough issues to warrant trading him I guess. He had the tools to become a lesser Garnett but he was also going to skip town at the first opportunity. I also thought Simmons would bounce back strong this season after finally getting fit, but considering what we actually got from the forward positions in real production this season I guess this is a win.

As for the roster as is, well yeah it won't sniff the playoffs. Not that you'd go into the season with four small forwards and one power forward. CV playing PF backed up by Gadz and maybe Alexander would be hilariously bad defensively for 48 minutes a game. I imagine Mo Williams and possibly CV will be moved for some defense at PF and a PG who isn't a sieve on D. Personally I hope we go for a backup like Duhon and give the job to Sessions rather than make a play at Hinrich.
 

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Any team with Charlie V as their starting power forward is never going to go far in the playoffs. Ditch him and let him take Mo with him.
 

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Having a new coach doesn't mean their players will bother to play defence, this team is terrible. Playoffs in the east? Maybe. 50 wins, HELL NO, note the big capital letters.

Ball hog PG - check
Ball hog SG chucker - check
Chucker PF with no defense - check
Another Scorer playing SF who has a gay voice and looks gay - check

Bogut.. i will cut him some slack since his Australian, got potential but gee he needs to start playing like a #1 pick and at least average 15/10.

their bench is also horrible apart from Sessions and maybe Bell.

FREE BOGUT, trade him to a team that doesn't suck Bucks!! Well not so much suck but the way the Bucks are now, they have no chance of getting to the finals, and they won't in the next 4-6 years the way they are going now. Will always be a team that might just get in the playoffs and get eliminated in the firts round and get stuck with a mid 1st round.

Big mistake getting rid of Yi considering his potential and the money he generates. IMO the Bucks made a wrong choice and decided to try and become contenders when they should of shipped off their players for expirers and start rebuilding. But thats just my opinion, i hope they do well for Bogut's sake.
 

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Bogut.. i will cut him some slack since his Australian, got potential but gee he needs to start playing like a #1 pick and at least average 15/10.
He averaged 14.4 and 9.8 last season and was about 18/12 after the All Star break.

Big mistake getting rid of Yi considering his potential and the money he generates. IMO the Bucks made a wrong choice and decided to try and become contenders when they should of shipped off their players for expirers and start rebuilding. But thats just my opinion, i hope they do well for Bogut's sake.
They are rebuilding. I'd expect CV and Mo to be gone, replaced with a pass first PG who can defend and a banging, defensive PF. Redd and Jefferson carry the scoring load with Bogut as the third banana. They fix the defensive problems they have and still have a team capable of scoring.

Trading Yi was a sensible move IMO. He was always about being in a big market and Milwaukee isn't that. The minute his contract was up he would've been out of there. It was stupid to draft him in the first place given his minders had openly stated they didn't want him to go there, but at least they got back 80 cents in the dollar on his pick.

As for his potential, if you've read any of the Milwaukee bulletin boards you'll know Yi blew chunks last season and was widely derided for not trying or just being inept. Sure, he showed glimpses but about two months in to the season his play tanked and never recovered.
 

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He averaged 14.4 and 9.8 last season and was about 18/12 after the All Star break.


They are rebuilding. I'd expect CV and Mo to be gone, replaced with a pass first PG who can defend and a banging, defensive PF. Redd and Jefferson carry the scoring load with Bogut as the third banana. They fix the defensive problems they have and still have a team capable of scoring.

Trading Yi was a sensible move IMO. He was always about being in a big market and Milwaukee isn't that. The minute his contract was up he would've been out of there. It was stupid to draft him in the first place given his minders had openly stated they didn't want him to go there, but at least they got back 80 cents in the dollar on his pick.

As for his potential, if you've read any of the Milwaukee bulletin boards you'll know Yi blew chunks last season and was widely derided for not trying or just being inept. Sure, he showed glimpses but about two months in to the season his play tanked and never recovered.
Awesome, Bogut is nearly there :D

I just think the Nets did a brilliant move, trading Jefferson to the Bucks pretty much made sure Redd is not going to go anywhere near Lebron, and got an expirer the year James becomes a free agent and Yi who has 500000 billion people watching him, $$$$$$$ moneyehhh. Oh and Yi could become a good player.

Again IMO the Bucks should of gotten rid of their team cancers and older players and start at the bottom, what they are doing now is attempting to compete and trying to rebuild at the same time which i think would just give the Bucks a nearly exit in the playoffs and a mid-late 1st round pick every year. With the Elite teams in the east getting old they could of had a real chance in the playoffs in 3-5 years.
 
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