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Last night highlighted a need for a change of team structure. There was one thing that was different last night, and it produced one of the best games of the season from one of our most experienced players. Harry played half back flank, and what a difference that was. Up on the wing, Harry is no where near as effective as when he is on the half back flank. His run out of the backline was awesome to see again.

With the loss of Heath Shaw out of the backline, and the introduction of Adams into the midfield rotation, surely that equalled the experiment of Harry on the wing not going forward. We need Harry down back, we have lost a lot of experience down there, and his inclusion last night to the back six was brilliant.

I actually think that the same applies for Clinton Young, he simply is not good enough on the wing, and if he is not good enough on other half back flank, he shouldn't play in the seniors. His long kick clears the zone instantly, and we need to see his accountability. That could be questionable, but we need to try. We have too many players that can play midfield that are being tried in defence, like Sidebottom and Fasolo that are better suited midfield compared to Young, it is an obvious change. I would have him kick out every kick out too. He stuffed one up last night, but to have him come in for one kick in for the night, no one is getting used to the role like Heath Shaw got used to. Maxwell, then Fasolo, then Keeffe, then Frosty kicking in is not going to work. Pick one hopefully Young, and STICK TO IT.

Swan looks lost from form, yet the persistence in the midfield didn't help us AT ALL last night. I thought with Swan getting older, he would of been to rest him often in the forward pocket. Where was that idea last night?

Fasolo was rusty as anything. I don't get the thought from Buckley to think lets go with Adams as sub, when Fasolo was always going to be rusty. And rusty is an understatement. His kicks at times slipped off the side of the boot, and missed his target by 4-5 meters on quiet a few occasions. You don't play a rusty player, who has barely played a game in the dangerous position of deep back against Geelong. Just a silly idea from Buckley. He should of been forward, after he came into the game from Sub.

Adams seemed to be tough at the contest, and did o.k when he came on, as he did last week, but we need him from the start, because from what I could see, Luke Ball is getting too old for a four quarter effort. Inside mids we are not rich in. Ball, Adams and Josh Thomas is it without looking into 17 year olds. So why let Ball do it all at his age.

Fraser all over again. Grundy needs a break. He is starting to mistime his jumps exactly the way Fraser did at this stage. Fraser always used to get folded over with the bigger ruckman seen with two hands firmly in the top of the back, bending him forward. I remember yelling out "Give the kid a free kick", but never did it come. By the time Fraser built to take the push forward, he was sapped of confidence. I seen a lot of Fraser in Grundy last night, apart from that tough attitude Grundy has that will push him a lot further and better than Fraser did, but the poor timing to avoid that front on contact, that would hurt a young kid after a while. Conclusion, Witts was said to be running around like a rover in our practice match, I think we play him every second week, to bring him on as quickly as Grundy. If they are both out of form, we still have Hudson.

So that brings me to the BIG point that I want to make. I have brought it up time and time again, and as obvious as it is to me, it seems to be avoiding others. My last such frustration of an obvious idea to use was to try Tarrant down back. He was quick, he had a good leap, why not try him back. Not a good idea said A LOT of supporters. That was until Tarrant went to Freo, they tried it, made a defender out of him, and then he came back as a very useful defender. So here is my next one, and I know that this guy is on a long term contract, so we can't have another team show us how to do it, but TRAVIS CLOKE IS A CENTRE HALF FORWARD. He is NOT a FULL FORWARD. I guarantee if Buckley puts him out at CHF it will work.

Defence is an easy thing to work out in a way. You pick a spot on the ground where it is easiest to kick a goal from. I nominate Goal Square! In the goal square you can not think without the defender hearing it. He is as tight as a sized four shoe on Sandilands. As you go to harder part of the ground, lets say deep in the pocket, the pressure is lessened by the defender. In a way, a defender will tempt a midfielder to kick to their player in a ridiculous spot if tired, because the percentages are so low. When fresh, the pressure extends into the pockets, but in a fast frenetic game, when multiple hits and leads are contended with, it can be the case more as the game rolls on. At CHF, a player will have more room to move and the defender with contest, but not live in the forwards pocket. This is all obvious stuff to most of us.

Cloke has a fit bloke, he has a huge motor, and he can learn to run all day. Cloke is not overly quick from 0-10 meters, he is fairly quick, but in comparison to Tarrant at full forward for instance, he is slower at the getting to his quickest. Cloke needs to wear his opponent down. He is not a player that needs to see it in front of him to succeed. He is a great two way player. He is a good mark, and a long kick. If Cloke was getting 90% of his ball from 45m-85m out from goal, he would be better value to our team. Closer is no guarantee he will kick it anyway, so using him further out, is not eliminating a big strength. We haven't had a CHF since Anthony Rocca. Cloke could be a Carey like CHF, where he marks and gets back quick, and uses that huge left foot kick to penetrate our forward line quickly. White on the flipside is more suited to deeper forward. See his best games from Sydney, deep forward. Cloke currently is zoned there.

Reid when Forward is better deep. Reid is a great Full Forward, because he uses his body to perfection. White is best deep because the bloke is 200cm tall.

Malthouse made the mistake of developing Cloke as a full forward, and Buckley simply followed, but I have never seen a more obvious mistake.

Swan being a forward pocket, Elliott on the other forward pocket, with White or Reid at Full forward would work a treat. Imagine if Lonergan scragged and took White out of the game. BIG DEAL. But what we can't have, is our Million Dollar player getting taken out, and rendered useless. Cloke should of played on Harry Taylor last night at CHF, and he would of got heaps more touches, and we would of been better served.

At the moment too, our midfielders are coming out of defence, and instead of using the corridor which is CHF, they are crabbing the ball around out to the wing, into the flank near the boundary, then bringing it in. The centre up, with a player like Cloke at CHF would be earlier. The the big kick in to the hot spot.

I will leave it at my biggest point coming away from the game last night, but other than these things, I am quite happy with where we are at. Many thought we'd drop out of the 8, many thought Geelong are top 4, so to just lose to them without Reid, and without these set ups correct, I think that was great.
 
We are rich in inside mids. Its outside mids we need. And White isn't 200cm.
 
I will just put up here my changes for next week;

IN: Thomas, Kennedy, Witts
OUT: Dwyer, Blair, Grundy (Rest)

Kennedy Sub, Adams NOT SUB
 
I will just put up here my changes for next week;

IN: Thomas, Kennedy, Witts
OUT: Dwyer, Blair, Grundy (Rest)

Kennedy Sub, Adams NOT SUB

Adams will probably be suspended and Blair played well.
 

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I thought Buckley wanted us to go through the corridor but there were so many times last night where we had the ball in the backline there were free players in the middle and we kicked it 30 metres sideways to the boundary.. I think our gameplan doesn't help Travis Cloke at all.. it should be as quick as possible to the forward line and give the best contested mark in the comp 1 on 1's buckley would rather play loose players in defense take an eternity to get it to Trav and have him attempt to outmark 4 opponents and then have no crumbers near him when the ball hits the ground..
 
197cm is White close enough.

Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Beams, Swan are all outside mids
Ball, Adams, Thomas inside mids.

Blair didn't play well at all.

Beams was 9th last year in average contested possessions averaging 12.9. Pendlebury was 11th averaging 12.6. Dane Swan was 22nd averaging 11.5. They all averaged more contested possessions than Luke Ball, Taylor Adams and Josh Thomas last year. Saying they're aren't inside mids and are outside mids is just stupid.
 
I should add I got flamed for suggesting Cloke should be trialled as a full back.
Having him on Hawkins last night might have been the difference between winning and losing.
 
I should add I got flamed for suggesting Cloke should be trialled as a full back.
Having him on Hawkins last night might have been the difference between winning and losing.

No it wouldn't have. Some pressure on the delivery would have helped though :thumbsu:
 
Travis is 196. That's close enough too.

White is 1/4th difference closer to 200cm than Cloke. :confused:
I feel White plays more like a 200cm player than what Cloke does and his stints in the ruck suggest that to be the case. White is more capable of a standing start verticle leap, whereas Cloke runs up and jumps which is a 30-40 meter work area. White would be more like Vickery deep forward.
 
No it wouldn't have. Some pressure on the delivery would have helped though :thumbsu:

SPOT ON. That is what was wrong with our delivery most times last night. Their pressure on the ball carrier was intense, ours wasn't. Our defensive ability's with our midfielders is very inconsistent. I like Thomas and even Martin for this. Why Kyle Martin is not on the Senior list is baffling. Much more worthy than Clarke and Armstrong in my opinion.
 
I agree with most of this. Ball is our only legit INSIDE midfielder. Of course the others do inside work every now and then, but mostly Pendles, Swanny, Sidey and Beamer are OUTSIDE. Thomas is a good INSIDE midfielder, why isn't getting a game? And why is Adams playing as the Sub every week? Give the kid a go, he took over from Heafy. Let him play.
 

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SPOT ON. That is what was wrong with our delivery most times last night. Their pressure on the ball carrier was intense, ours wasn't. Our defensive ability's with our midfielders is very inconsistent. I like Thomas and even Martin for this. Why Kyle Martin is not on the Senior list is baffling. Much more worthy than Clarke and Armstrong in my opinion.

I've got some fairly strong opinions on it. I won't go too hard, but one for the punters at home.

There are two players from the 01 draft really struggling ATM. There's strong murmurings about one being injured, but the only injury he has is an effort muscle! The other is still brilliant at the contest, but is useless on the spread.
 
They're still very useful players Scodog10 but I feel we need to be moving them out of the coal face kind of like how Geelong and Sydney have used their older players. Actually we have done that to a certain degree and I think that is good coaching and getting the most out of the list. I think the recruitment of Adams, and our high draft picks from last year, has also really gone a long way to establishing the succession planning here for our midfield. Can't be too dirty on this I think it is a bit of a natural slide for two star players and we are dealing with it well. I would like to see more out of Swan and I hope it isn't a mindset thing. I'm confident he will hit back. The mans a gun.
 
I agree with most of this. Ball is our only legit INSIDE midfielder. Of course the others do inside work every now and then, but mostly Pendles, Swanny, Sidey and Beamer are OUTSIDE. Thomas is a good INSIDE midfielder, why isn't getting a game? And why is Adams playing as the Sub every week? Give the kid a go, he took over from Heafy. Let him play.

Scott Pendlebury is one the most naturally gifted inside midfield clearance players I have seen play the game. That he isn't a bash and crash stick his head over the ball player stylistically doesn't change this fact. I think it's his style that confuses people here and leads them to think he isn't inside. He is. And he's a freak inside player as well.
 
They're still very useful players Scodog10 but I feel we need to be moving them out of the coal face kind of like how Geelong and Sydney have used their older players. Actually we have done that to a certain degree and I think that is good coaching and getting the most out of the list. I think the recruitment of Adams, and our high draft picks from last year, has also really gone a long way to establishing the succession planning here for our midfield. Can't be too dirty on this I think it is a bit of a natural slide for two star players and we are dealing with it well. I would like to see more out of Swan and I hope it isn't a mindset thing. I'm confident he will hit back. The mans a gun.

Unfortunately Quick if you stand still the game very quickly leaves you behind. Swan can still make an impact because he hasn't lost his pace (yet), but, IMO, Ball is really struggling. Like McLean he can't run out of sight on a foggy day once the ball leaves the contest....

That recruitment of Armstrong. Right now is when it kills us the most!! The posters that said ah well what's he cost us? You know what he cost us a senior list spot that could belong to Kyle Martin! As it stands we have him sitting on the rookie list with no possibility of upgrade without special dispensation from the AFL with Williams (which I doubt will be forthcoming).

You've got 3 (4 if you include Adams as sub) quickish ball winners waiting in the wings in JT, Martin and Kennedy yet we can't get them into the senior line up. That is the something new Buckley needs to try.

The result probably would have been the same with Kennedy in place of Dwyer, JT in place of Ball and Martin in place of Blair and there's pros and cons to each decision.

I'm not advocating going bang bang bang at the selection table in the space of a week, however we'll never know if we don't give it a shot.
 
We are three rounds into the year and you want to rest our number one ruckman?

I can understand what he's getting at even if I don't agree. If we go into last nights match with Witts as the second ruckman Grundy would have been subbed out. He was absolutely knackered after half time.
 

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Unfortunately Quick if you stand still the game very quickly leaves you behind. Swan can still make an impact because he hasn't lost his pace (yet), but, IMO, Ball is really struggling. Like McLean he can't run out of sight on a foggy day once the ball leaves the contest....

That recruitment of Armstrong. Right now is when it kills us the most!! The posters that said ah well what's he cost us? You know what he cost us a senior list spot that could belong to Kyle Martin! As it stands we have him sitting on the rookie list with no possibility of upgrade without special dispensation from the AFL with Williams (which I doubt will be forthcoming).

You've got 3 (4 if you include Adams as sub) quickish ball winners waiting in the wings in JT, Martin and Kennedy yet we can't get them into the senior line up. That is the something new Buckley needs to try.

The result probably would have been the same with Kennedy in place of Dwyer, JT in place of Ball and Martin in place of Blair and there's pros and cons to each decision.

I'm not advocating going bang bang bang at the selection table in the space of a week, however we'll never know if we don't give it a shot.

Can't disagree with any of that unfortunately. I love Ball but he is struggling badly right now.
 
Cloke to play chf with white deep, when reid comes back we swap reid with cloke at chf every 15 minutes or so giving one of them a breather.

Swan starts in the middle then send him forward for 5-10 minute spells. Get him into the game early, never plays well when starting forward.

Grundy needs more help, witts has to play 3 qtrs at least then sub him out. White offers nothing in ruck ( like i said before we picked him up )

Effort was there last night, but game plan is suspect. There were acres in the middle of the ground last night and we barely used it. So our game plan is to handpass around the boundry line now???
 
With so many things wrong against a side that will challenge for a top 4 spot....how the hell were we within a kick with 3 minutes to play? Could it possibly be that Bucks and his boys are doing things that the genius AFL head coaching incumbents on BF simply don't understand? I was pretty happy with how we played last night, I guess I have no right to be when we're obviously doing so much wrong?
 
few things i noticed at the game:
Grundy has absolutely no tank. He is running behind his opponent and cannot even lift his legs to get to the next contest.
Cloke did play CHF for stages of the game while White took the FB position
Fasolo got outplayed by his opponent on a number of occasions but this needs to be persisted with
We have absolutely no one who can hit a target coming out of defence.
Our skills are woeful.
 
The idea of Grundy coming in and out every week of the side is quite frankly stupid to put it nicely.

The idea of giving him a bit of support in the form of Witts or Hudson isn't however. Especially while Reid is out. There is no reason we can't have a two ruck combo right now. It wouldn't throw our tall balance out at all.
 

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