Pluto, aka The Thread With Cahill, Snelling, Poster Resumes, Heat Maps & Associated Crap

[Keystone agony]

That role is apart of the small forwards group role

Not many small forwards don't get up the ground. We no longer have forwards just purely staying deep. All small forwards get up the ground - Snelling like Tippa is one of them

 

[owen87]

That role is apart of the small forwards group role

Not many small forwards don't get up the ground. We no longer have forwards just purely staying deep. All small forwards get up the ground - Snelling like Tippa is one of them

Except Snelling and Tippungwuti play clearly different roles.

One plays as a true small forward, the other plays as a high half-forward / midfielder.

 

[Keystone agony]

Except Snelling and Tippungwuti play clearly different roles.

One plays as a true small forward, the other plays as a high half-forward / midfielder.

He's a forward and he's small, simple

 

[boncer34]

He's a forward and he's small, simple

Your analysis certainly is that.

It's also wrong.

 

[owen87]

He's a forward and he's small, simple

Yeah.

Nah.

 

[Keystone agony]

Snelling isn't a half forward, pressure forward. Give me a spell

 

[boncer34]

Snelling isn't a half forward, pressure forward. Give me a spell

Snelling isn't the same as Tippa.

Which is what you were trying to claim.

 

[owen87]

Snelling isn't a half forward, pressure forward. Give me a spell

You can dislike all the posts you like. Snelling and Tippungwuti play different roles. Despite both being short, and nominally forwards.

 

[Jade]

He's a forward and he's small, simple

Well that’s just wrong.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well that’s just wrong.

How?

 

[Keystone agony]

You can dislike all the posts you like. Snelling and Tippungwuti play different roles. Despite both being short, and nominally forwards.

So he's short and nominally a forward. Basically what I've been saying isn't it?

 

[owen87]

Basically what I've been saying isn't it?

No.

That role is apart of the small forwards group role

Not many small forwards don't get up the ground. We no longer have forwards just purely staying deep. All small forwards get up the ground - Snelling like Tippa is one of them

 

[Lore]

Except Snelling and Tippungwuti play clearly different roles.

One plays as a true small forward, the other plays as a high half-forward / midfielder.

Walla definitely spends more time taking creative shots from the pocket, but he's also used in the midfield to harass the ball-carrier and attends centre bounces sometimes. He's predominantly a creative small forward + rotating inside, and was our second highest goalkicker this year after Stringer.

Snelling sits off the ball and tackles/harrasses the ball carrier anywhere between half-forward and half-back. Also a decent shot for goal but doesn't spend a lot of time within 30m of them. His role doesn't really fit into the old role descriptors, as he's effectively a follower but he's not supposed to get the ball (much). It's a modern pressure-focused role which appears to be motivated by mars bars.

Smith is the in-between. Spends some time harassing the ballcarrier between the defensive arc and half-forward, a bit of time at the centre bounce, and stabs at goal when he's near the sticks. I guess he's more of an outside mid/forward + rotating inside.

Being under 6' and kicking at least ten goals is a very rudimentary set of parameters that could apply to Parish as easily as it applies to Snelling though. You can argue it's technically accurate as Parish does sometimes play as a small forward, but as far as a useful category for comparing players? It is not.



What a bizarre conversation.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Snelling:



Tipungwuti:



It is okay to be wrong now and then.

 

[ghostdog]

So he's short and nominally a forward. Basically what I've been saying isn't it?

Should have used a girlfriend analogy, KA. They are both fantastic and effective.

 

[Keystone agony]

Snelling:

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Tipungwuti:

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It is okay to be wrong now and then.

Never said they play the same role. Both are small forwards. We know we have deeper forwards and higher forwards.

The argument is that Snelling is a small forward, whether that's high or not is irrelevant

He's not an onballer, wingman

He goes off the ground and 90% of the time a forward comes on. He comes on 90% of the time when a forward 6 player comes off

If he's not a small forward in the year gone then I don't know what he is

Our Tall Fwds: Francis, HJ, Wright
Small Fwds: Snelling, Tippa, Perkins, Dev Smith ect

 

[owen87]

whether that's high or not is irrelevant

It kinda is tho

 

[Jade]

How?

 

[Keystone agony]

It kinda is tho

Your talking roles. I'm talking Small forward/Tall Fwd, Outside mid/Inside Mid, Small Def/Tall Def. I'm not talking from the sense their is another option besides Ruck

He was a high small forward last year was he not?

Yes/no

 

[Lore]

He was a high small forward last year was he not?

Yes/no

You're not speaking the same language as anyone else here. Reading this thread is becoming tedious and circular. Please stop.

 

[Keystone agony]

You're not speaking the same language as anyone else here. Reading this thread is becoming tedious and circular. Please stop.

Pretty easy question Lore

He didn't play as an inside midfielder

 

[Lore]

Pretty easy question Lore

He didn't play as an inside midfielder

No one is claiming that Snelling is an inside midfielder. This entire discussion is ridiculous and circular. Snelling is not the same player as Walla. They are about as similar to each other as either of them are to Darcy Parish. The entire thing is stupid. Let it go.

 

[owen87]

Your talking roles. I'm talking Small forward/Tall Fwd, Outside mid/Inside Mid, Small Def/Tall Def. I'm not talking from the sense their is another option besides Ruck

He was a high small forward last year was he not?

Yes/no

No, he wasn't playing the same role as Tipungwuti.

Snelling plays as an extra midfielder starting from the half-forward line, you can name that role whatever you like.

Aside from being named in the forward-line on the team sheet, and starting from inside the forward 50 at centre bounces due to 6-6-6 requirements, he's not really a forward at all.

Snelling:

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Tipungwuti:

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It is okay to be wrong now and then.

 

[Keystone agony]

No, he wasn't playing the same role as Tipungwuti.

Snelling plays as an extra midfielder starting from the half-forward line, you can name that role whatever you like.

Aside from being named in the forward-line on the team sheet, and starting from inside the forward 50 at centre bounces due to 6-6-6 requirements, he's not really a forward at all.

So how many forwards do we play each game including bench. I think that will clear it up

I see us as always playing 7 forwards, 7 defenders and 8 midfielders (Incl Ruck)

Do you think we only play 4 forwards each game? If so then we just define things differently

 

[boncer34]