Draft Watcher PMBangers 2020 Draft Thread

[PMBangers]

Phantom Draft Round 1 (updated 9/12)

 

[PMBangers]

Two Round phantom as things stand, I assumed Gold Coast pre-list Davies, Jefferey and Lake, as well as assuming all clubs have the available list spotsfor the purpose of the phantom. For bids that were being matched with picks that wouldn't have been used in my phantom I just marked it with a '-' to try and make it as easy to follow as possible.

Overall tried to hit what I think club needs are, and if there weren't any glaring needs I selected what I view/ assume as the consensus best available. Feels weird having guys like Trew, Maher, Baldwin and Berry late second round but when I lay it out it doesn't seem totally out of question. I'm also surprised that the first two rounds ended up only lasting an extra two picks despite the 'compromised' nature of this draft, although for guys like Luke Edwards, James Borlase, Maurice Rioli Jnr, etc. I wouldn't be shocked to seem them bid on within the first two rounds on draft night, also hard to tell what weight recruiters are going to be putting on QAFL performances, but with the FA moves of Corr, Atkins and Williams already being confirmed to be happening, then the other players rumoured to move, there could easily be 5-7 compensation picks thrown in here

 

[Chaisa]

What would be the deficit for Gulden if we match a bid at 26 (with Campbell going 5?) Does it count towards our first or second round pick?

 

[PMBangers]

What would be the deficit for Gulden if we match a bid at 26 (with Campbell going 5?) Does it count towards our first or second round pick?

You go into a 243 point deficit for Campbell and then a further 534 for Gulden, in this instance I don't know if the Guldens deficit would also be taken off the first rounder or not, my understanding is it'd be the 243 off of next years first for Campbell and the 534 off of the second rounder for Gulden individually

 

[TJG1996]

Love the WA representation in your first 2 rounds. Personally wouldn't match a Walker bid at 20 but I think Freo would. Lane is interesting, probably wouldn't have him anywhere near the second round but probably benefits from a lack of other true talls in the draft. Any reason why O'Driscoll is listed as a utility? Other than a half of footy as an intercept back in R2 of the colts and his first league game as a pressure forward, he's never played anywhere but the midfield.

 

[PMBangers]

Love the WA representation in your first 2 rounds. Personally wouldn't match a Walker bid at 20 but I think Freo would. Lane is interesting, probably wouldn't have him anywhere near the second round but probably benefits from a lack of other true talls in the draft. Any reason why O'Driscoll is listed as a utility? Other than a half of footy as an intercept back in R2 of the colts and his first league game as a pressure forward, he's never played anywhere but the midfield.

The Lane pick was moreso due to me having more exposure to him than any of the other rucks not already selected, Walsh hasn't impressed me with what he's shown and Heath I haven't seen, so it'd be a bit disingenuous to select him so early.
O'Driscoll I view as versatile enough that Utility is the right classification, over the last two years he's played quite a bit of backline and midfield, with good showings forward, so he'd be one that I wouldn't be surprised to see line up anywhere on the ground come Round 1 next year

 

[SumTingWong]

I know nothing about this year's crop. Have you given consideration to Richmond's criteria in terms of character and athletic traits when picking our players?

 

[PMBangers]

I know nothing about this year's crop. Have you given consideration to Richmond's criteria in terms of character and athletic traits when picking our players?

I don't know any of the players well enough to comment on character, as for athletic traits Cook and Walker are both pretty athletic, Cook especially has a good burst of speed and leap in him that's seen him have some really big performances as an undersized FF, but he's a more than capable winger as well. Walker maybe not so speedy but has a good athletic profile and is fairly evasive on field

 

[Pasthispeak]

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Two Round phantom as things stand, I assumed Gold Coast pre-list Davies, Jefferey and Lake, as well as assuming all clubs have the available list spotsfor the purpose of the phantom. For bids that were being matched with picks that wouldn't have been used in my phantom I just marked it with a '-' to try and make it as easy to follow as possible.

Overall tried to hit what I think club needs are, and if there weren't any glaring needs I selected what I view/ assume as the consensus best available. Feels weird having guys like Trew, Maher, Baldwin and Berry late second round but when I lay it out it doesn't seem totally out of question. I'm also surprised that the first two rounds ended up only lasting an extra two picks despite the 'compromised' nature of this draft, although for guys like Luke Edwards, James Borlase, Maurice Rioli Jnr, etc. I wouldn't be shocked to seem them bid on within the first two rounds on draft night, also hard to tell what weight recruiters are going to be putting on QAFL performances, but with the FA moves of Corr, Atkins and Williams already being confirmed to be happening, then the other players rumoured to move, there could easily be 5-7 compensation picks thrown in here

Think GC will decide between Lake or Jeffery but not both, list spots are very tight and some of their academy kids played extremely well in the Qafl grand final. The one that misses out maybe a bargain for another side

 

[RedmanWasHere]

PMBangers.

Can you see Alex Davies making R1 for the Gold Coast next season?

 

[TJG1996]

The Lane pick was moreso due to me having more exposure to him than any of the other rucks not already selected, Walsh hasn't impressed me with what he's shown and Heath I haven't seen, so it'd be a bit disingenuous to select him so early.
O'Driscoll I view as versatile enough that Utility is the right classification, over the last two years he's played quite a bit of backline and midfield, with good showings forward, so he'd be one that I wouldn't be surprised to see line up anywhere on the ground come Round 1 next year

Fair take on Lane. Don't think he's anywhere near it for mine but I also haven't seen anyone outside of WA so can't compare him. Completely disagree with NOD being a utility though, has kicked 2 goals in 22 games in his entire WAFL career, 0 goals for WA in the 18s, and having seen about 80% of his games for Perth over three seasons, has ventured outside of being an inside mid exactly once. He's got the body type for it but it's a little disingenuous to say he's anything but a midfielder.

 

[PMBangers]

PMBangers.

Can you see Alex Davies making R1 for the Gold Coast next season?

I think they're stacked enough with youth talent that itd be a real credit to him if he made that side, especially if Greenwood is healthy as well as that's be a similar role to what he's play. I don't rate Davies as highly as most however, open draft I'd probably consider him a 15+ pick as opposed to top 10 like some say

 

[Jen2310]

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Two Round phantom as things stand, I assumed Gold Coast pre-list Davies, Jefferey and Lake, as well as assuming all clubs have the available list spotsfor the purpose of the phantom. For bids that were being matched with picks that wouldn't have been used in my phantom I just marked it with a '-' to try and make it as easy to follow as possible.

Overall tried to hit what I think club needs are, and if there weren't any glaring needs I selected what I view/ assume as the consensus best available. Feels weird having guys like Trew, Maher, Baldwin and Berry late second round but when I lay it out it doesn't seem totally out of question. I'm also surprised that the first two rounds ended up only lasting an extra two picks despite the 'compromised' nature of this draft, although for guys like Luke Edwards, James Borlase, Maurice Rioli Jnr, etc. I wouldn't be shocked to seem them bid on within the first two rounds on draft night, also hard to tell what weight recruiters are going to be putting on QAFL performances, but with the FA moves of Corr, Atkins and Williams already being confirmed to be happening, then the other players rumoured to move, there could easily be 5-7 compensation picks thrown in here

I know a friend who would love these selections for the pies. He wants Macrae at the pies, especially if he has any of the talent that of his brother.

 

[PMBangers]

I know a friend who would love these selections for the pies. He wants Macrae at the pies, especially if he has any of the talent that of his brother.

Went off the obvious Oakleigh connection that the pies make no secret about trying to maintain, and the need you guys have for quality ball users in the midfield. I think he could comfortably come in Round 1 next year and play across from Daicos

 

[Jen2310]

Went off the obvious Oakleigh connection that the pies make no secret about trying to maintain, and the need you guys have for quality ball users in the midfield. I think he could comfortably come in Round 1 next year and play across from Daicos

yeah, we need some more quality ball users in that midfield. It's not all great at the moment. Needs a freshen up especially with Pendles not getting any younger. And you're right.. Pies do have a preference toward the oakleigh chargers lol Prob 90% of our draftees would have to be from there.

 

[SumTingWong]

N. Cox to me just looks way too skinny to be taken as early as it looks like he will. Doesn't have a big frame to fill into. Looks like another Liam McBean.

 

[PMBangers]

N. Cox to me just looks way too skinny to be taken as early as it looks like he will. Doesn't have a big frame to fill into. Looks like another Liam McBean.

I think defending is gradually evolving away from KPD's needing to be monsters with muscle on muscle to be successful, we've seen it happen with Key Forwards that have been drafted over the past few years being more and more athletic. You look at the Kings, I don't think either are going to get to a place where they're out bodying opponents with ease, but they're so athletic they don't need to, Naughton is another one I see that way. If you are a good read of the ball and a good leap that's what's going to be sought after now, so that lack of, I guess physical growth, isn't something that worries me.
With Cox especially, he's a guy that has played KPD, Wing and KPF all to a good level in his time as an underaged player. Kicks both sides comfortably and has a good burst of speed, he's not one that you're putting on an opposition KPF and saying 'Stick to him like glue'

 

[year of the cat]

Tom Powell versus Zane Trew? Thoughts?

 

[PMBangers]

Tom Powell versus Zane Trew? Thoughts?

It's pretty much splitting hairs, the determining factor for was that Powell is winning more ball more often and finding ways to hit the scoreboard, and thats an element of Trews game that isn't as refined, would've been good to see both at senior level to see how they do against mature bodies and how the numbers track through the grades, but I think both end up solid Best 22 players at the next level

 

[ADL9798]

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I could definitely see North or the Crows bidding on Campbell and calling Sydney’s bluff. Handing Sydney 2 top 10 picks seems very generous. Are Sydney really not going to match a bid at 3 if he’s rated at 5?

This would also shuffle North/Adelaide’s other top 10 picks forward.

 

[PMBangers]

I could definitely see North or the Crows bidding on Campbell and calling Sydney’s bluff. Handing Sydney 2 top 10 picks seems very generous. Are they really not going to match a bid at 3 if he’s rated at 5?

This would also shuffle North/Adelaide’s other top 10 picks forward.

I don't think Sydney match a bid before their first pick, they have a few pressing needs that they'll want to address ASAP and a Campbell type, whilst definitely one of them, isn't a priority imo. I see a big need for a KPD and a developing ruck (assuming Amartey gets delisted of course) pick 3/4 gives them a great opportunity to get in DGB or Thilthorpe to fill that need, and having Gulden who is also a brilliantly skilled midfielder available for a later bid they might be willing to cop the Campbell loss.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

I don't think Sydney match a bid before their first pick, they have a few pressing needs that they'll want to address ASAP and a Campbell type, whilst definitely one of them, isn't a priority imo. I see a big need for a KPD and a developing ruck (assuming Amartey gets delisted of course) pick 3/4 gives them a great opportunity to get in DGB or Thilthorpe to fill that need, and having Gulden who is also a brilliantly skilled midfielder available for a later bid they might be willing to cop the Campbell loss.

An early Campbell bid is classic Bigfooty wishful thinking. Bid successfully on Ugle-Hagan and you get a top-3 quality player. Bid successfully on Campbell and a top-3 quality player slides to Sydney.

 

[andleanback]

An early Campbell bid is classic Bigfooty wishful thinking. Bid successfully on Ugle-Hagan and you get a top-3 quality player. Bid successfully on Campbell and a top-3 quality player slides to Sydney.

It depends where clubs have him on heir board though. If they have him top 3, then there’s nothing wrong with bidding.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

It depends where clubs have him on heir board though. If they have him top 3, then there’s nothing wrong with bidding.

Of course - but these posters aren't suggesting a bid in the hope of getting Campbell.

 

[andleanback]

Of course - but these posters aren't suggesting a bid in the hope of getting Campbell.

No club would bid on a player unless they actually desperately want them, especially in the first round.

 

[PMBangers]

No club would bid on a player unless they actually desperately want them, especially in the first round.

I actually can't recall a bid where I've thought 'That was out of spite wasn't it?' even Mosquito and Coleman there was a need for that sort for Essendon, Silvagni was a nothing pick to match anyway as well. I just don't get where the idea of bidding for the sake of bidding comes from