Draft Watcher PMBangers 2020 Draft Thread

[PMBangers]

Phantom Draft Round 1 (updated 9/12)

 

[WWSD]

Who is likely to be the best small forward in this years draft? Any standout small forwards from the WAFL?

 

[PMBangers]

Who is likely to be the best small forward in this years draft? Any standout small forwards from the WAFL?

Isaiah Winder is a good small from the WAFL who is draft age this year and played some seniors, although he's more a midfielder now he's shown flexibility in position with real skills and game sense.
Corey Durdin has played the year in Central Districts (SA) reserves, and whilst he's not super speedy he's got great skills and can play pretty much anywhere on the ground to a high standard.

My highest rated is Bailey Laurie from Oakleigh, was really good for them as an underager last year splittijg time on the Wing and Forward line, he's probably the closest to a traditional small forward with speed, crumbling ability and goal sense, but also could play on a Wing at the next level

Tariek Newchurch, Joel Western and Errol Gulden are all other guys that'll get drafted and can play that role, however they're tied to NGAs

 

[Sweet Jesus]

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Hello PMBangers - any thoughts on who might be a good bet for WC in the mid-30s? Probably leaning towards the best available midfielder at this stage, unless there's a local kid who slides.

 

[PMBangers]

Hello PMBangers - any thoughts on who might be a good bet for WC in the mid-30s? Probably leaning towards the best available midfielder at this stage, unless there's a local kid who slides.

It depends what type of midfielder you're looking for, I'd expect Isaiah Winder to be there as a smaller guy with good skills and pace (WA kid as well), also shown flexibility to go forward and look natural down there.

One kid that I expect to slip down who's shown a lot as a bottom ager is Oliver Davis from Tasmania. Not the tallest or biggest body but has really good stoppage craft and disposal by hand especially come out of stoppages, I think he'll be a pretty reliable inside midat the next level, maybe not a superstar but certainly has the scope to be a solid Best 22 midfielder without being exceptional.

Lachlan Jenkins, Mani Liddy, Jake Bowey, Finn Gorringe, Logan Young and Bailey Chamberlain are all other mids that have shown a bit and should be available around that part of the draft

 

[PMBangers]

Not too many changes to my first round phantom going into the last round of the Home and Away season, as usual have been filling my days off of work/uni with rewatching any footage I can get my hands on. Thinking we'll see more Vic Metro kids go early than expected overall, and the first round I think could go to pick 26 realistically with bids (plus there's FA compo to come)
Leaving Trew out was a big call, but I think there's a lack of need for his type from North onwards, and if there is there's mids that can do it and have a bit more to them, Powell being a good example as a guy who is winning the ball more, and hitting the scoreboard in a similar strength comp.

 

[rei154]

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Not too many changes to my first round phantom going into the last round of the Home and Away season, as usual have been filling my days off of work/uni with rewatching any footage I can get my hands on. Thinking we'll see more Vic Metro kids go early than expected overall, and the first round I think could go to pick 26 realistically with bids (plus there's FA compo to come)
Leaving Trew out was a big call, but I think there's a lack of need for his type from North onwards, and if there is there's mids that can do it and have a bit more to them, Powell being a good example as a guy who is winning the ball more, and hitting the scoreboard in a similar strength comp.

Out of curiousity, were Adelaide to take Thilthorpe with pick one, do North still take Hollands?

 

[PMBangers]

Out of curiousity, were Adelaide to take Thilthorpe with pick one, do North still take Hollands?

It's hard to say, positionally a high quality KPF is much more valuable than what I think Holland's will end up becoming, and to lock in a McDonald/ Larkey combo would be really exciting from a North perspective, especially if Brown does depart I'm seeing McDonald as round 1 ready. In saying that North does need midfielders, and there's no guarantee they'll be able to get one if the top tier ones at their second first rounder, Hollands I see as someone that could be a top 10 hybrid type of mid in the comp at his peak, so having him would really compliment what they're building, even with the ACL.
I can't really give a definitive answer, if I was picking I'd probably take McDonald because of that exposed senior form and position

 

[briztoon]

It's hard to say, positionally a high quality KPF is much more valuable than what I think Holland's will end up becoming, and to lock in a McDonald/ Larkey combo would be really exciting from a North perspective, especially if Brown does depart I'm seeing McDonald as round 1 ready. In saying that North does need midfielders, and there's no guarantee they'll be able to get one if the top tier ones at their second first rounder, Hollands I see as someone that could be a top 10 hybrid type of mid in the comp at his peak, so having him would really compliment what they're building, even with the ACL.
I can't really give a definitive answer, if I was picking I'd probably take McDonald because if that exposed senior form and position

I reckon North is more likely to be able to draft a mid or half forward/mid much closer in quality to Phillips or Hollands at their “Melbourne” pick, than they’ll be able to draft a KPP who is similar in quality to McDonald.

 

[PMBangers]

I reckon North is more likely to be able to draft a mid or half forward/mid much closer in quality to Phillips or Hollands at their “Melbourne” pick, than they’ll be able to draft a KPP who is similar in quality to McDonald.

That's definitely a better way to look at it, if there wasn't that second first rounder (likely top 10) pick it becomes harder, but a guy like Macrae will be available, Bruhn and Phillips possible as well

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There's always next year to get a top midfielder too. Any struggling team is better off going best player available and letting the rest sort itself out later.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Leaving Trew out was a big call, but I think there's a lack of need for his type from North onwards, and if there is there's mids that can do it and have a bit more to them, Powell being a good example as a guy who is winning the ball more, and hitting the scoreboard in a similar strength comp.

How far do you think Trew could slide?

 

[PMBangers]

How far do you think Trew could slide?

I still think he gets taken top 30, it might be a situation where there's a bidding war to get the first pick of the second round to get him, like there was for Robertson, but even just looking at the clubs with picks in that range after predicted bids they could do worse than go for someone like Trew

 

[PMBangers]

Another month or so watching old Vic footage and games for other states, abandoned the top 5 per champs teams as I feel this is just better and easier to read for people.
So many deserving to be in here that it was hard to narrow down; Cook, Perkins, B.Walker, Winder, Western, Laurie, Berry, Davis, P.Walker all considered in that final 5.

My favourites of the month have been Carroll and Ford, Carroll just has exceptional game sense and composure with ball in hand, as a winger at the next level I think he could be a round 1 debutant and seriously make a struggling side look better going forward, especially as he builds more confidence. His contested game is admittedly average which would be the major concern, but with some S&C I'd back that it improves.
Ford has received some more attention recently, was inconsistent in NAB League last year (in a pretty poor side) but I keep going back to that all stars game, hybrid mid with athleticism and forward impact is a big tick and something that historically recruiters love

 

[scotteydog]

I think the Saints need an outside mid. who can play inside, which is why they will target J.Caldwell in the trade period.

 

[PMBangers]

I think the Saints need an outside mid. who can play inside, which is why they will target J.Caldwell in the trade period.

I agree, hence the Macrae selection, he's capable of playing Wing or Rover (inside and outside type as a rover). A trade for Caldwell probably involves that first pick of yours anyway with something likely coming back so we'll see where St Kildas picks land after trade period and what the needs are. Overall I like your team has depth wise, it's just about a) letting youngsters in the 22 develop or b) bringing in upgrades of those types of players.

 

[scotteydog]

I agree, hence the Macrae selection, he's capable of playing Wing or Rover (inside and outside type as a rover). A trade for Caldwell probably involves that first pick of yours anyway with something likely coming back so we'll see where St Kildas picks land after trade period and what the needs are. Overall I like your team has depth wise, it's just about a) letting youngsters in the 22 develop or b) bringing in upgrades of those types of players.

Where do you rate Jackson Callow, could he be a first round pick?

 

[PMBangers]

Where do you rate Jackson Callow, could he be a first round pick?

I have him at 21 in my latest rankings, which isn't necessarily indicative of where he'll go but where I think he sits in comparison to the rest of the draft pool. I highly doubt he'll be a first round pick, just because he's got a general lack of athleticism that you look for in a KPP at AFL level, and he's got a very mature body compared to guys like DGB, McDonald, Cox, Reid and the like suggesting there's less development left in him physically. I think from Pick 25 on wards he's a legitimate chance though

 

[scotteydog]

I like J.Callow, S.Berry & J.Bowey as the Saints draft picks, & gettable, on a needs basis.

 

[rei154]

How do you rate Downie in this years crop? I've heard a few mixed reports and I'm curious about your take on where he's at in the pecking order

 

[PMBangers]

How do you rate Downie in this years crop? I've heard a few mixed reports and I'm curious about your take on where he's at in the pecking order

Downie's difficult in the same sense as a lot of other Vic kids this year, he's relatively unproven in a pivotal role in a team. He was due to move into the guts this year and show that he is an able contested player which would've upped his stocks assuming he did well. Certainly not a bad pick but not one I'm comfortable bidding on before 30-35 range. Has some good skills and bursts of speed though, so likely at least makes a wing/ half back if all goes well at AFL level. However from what Twomey says on his podcasts/ articles it would seem he's largely seen as a top 25 player amongst recruiters so a bid could come from 20 onwards

 

[Mnbvcxz1234567]

Who do you have collingwood taking with our picks this year?

 

[PMBangers]

Who do you have collingwood taking with our picks this year?

Depends on what's available, at this stage Zach Reid as a Tall Utility at your first is what I'm predicting, if he's not there a classy ball user that can play Wing I'd look at for the pies, maybe a Jack Carroll or a Finlay Macrae would be a good choice depending on who else is there. Heathy Chapman would be considered but might not play the 1 on 1 KPD role I think you guys need going into the future. After that I'm thinking matching any bids for McInnes will knock you out of the second and third rounds

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Oh hi Spec Moderator.

 

[PMBangers]

Oh hi Spec Moderator.

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[RedmanWasHere]

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