Draft Expert PMBangers' 2021 Draft Board - Come for the R1 phantom (post #1591), stay for the Simpsons references

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Owens...... haha it’s not gonna really work from here but over the moon we can get. I was worried for so long because watch him play I thought he was every bit a first rounder. The lock down came just at the right time for us
Ha ha.

Saints were lucky that this year there were so many different views. Now, those two may really slide because clubs know they won't actually be able to get them, and might think there's little point in holding Saints to account for an appropriate price (unlike the really early-rated talent).
 

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I’ll chuck this in here as a general open space. Rookie Me Central are chatting with Nick Daicos, Sam Darcy and Campbell Chesser tomorrow.

If anyone has any questions for them, let me know. Darcy will be filmed in the morning, Daicos and Chesser mid-arvo.
Q for the morning - Have the Bulldogs given Darcy any indication of which end of the ground he'll spend his first pre season? Forward or Back?
 

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Ha ha.

Saints were lucky that this year there were so many different views. Now, those two may really slide because clubs know they won't actually be able to get them, and might think there's little point in holding Saints to account for an appropriate price (unlike the really early-rated talent).
High chance we trade back into the second round now with our future. Still some awesome talent on the board
 

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So round 1 was pretty well expected until the GWS second pick which is where I'd argue most had the draft turning into a bit of a chaos shitshoot. Funnily enough I think the only real shock in terms of player to go early was Kai Lohmann, but (and not just playing it safe) when you look at his strengths it's an understandable choice to take him early on.

Night 2 is going to be interesting, especially the first 4-5 picks with some of the sliders, would teams consider offering up future firsts for some of the early second round picks? There'd be sides that would think Goater, Johnson and Sonsie are top 10 talents no doubt, so I could see some huge offers coming in. Personally I think Freo should hold and take Johnson, but from there I think most clubs should go for the best offer, whether that's selecting a player high on their board or trading
That kid Kai goes alright eh Bangers...
 

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PMBangers I know I haven't really discussed what I thought of your picks for us, but just wanted to say im personally very happy that Caruso was picking instead of you :)
Hey Goose, this would probably mean more coming from almost anyone else 🤗
 

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If we learnt anything from the last two days it's that amateur watchers know nothing even when they think they know everything 😂

Interesting draft overall and some massive sliders that fans will be no doubt happy about, I was a little surprised by the lack of live trading though, we were told it'd be chaotic and just got don't for most of the night. I'll a basic "thoughts on" each team later tonight, but like most people I don't think there's many losers
 

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Or it’s the professionals who actually know nothing…

I was actually a little surprised at how unsurprising a lot of it was. There were a few bargains like Johnson, Draper, Taylor and Bazzo. But they mostly just went at the back end of their ranges? Right when you thought this guy has to be picked up soon, he was. Howes was probably the main slider for me. But I only had one player from my top 40 miss out, normally my list is a who’s who of undrafted prospects.

Only 3 mature aged picks wasn’t a surprise either. McDonagh being one was, but that’s just Dodoro.

Couple of teams I didn’t really like, more so the balance they got (or didn’t get) rather than the players themselves. But most should be happy.

Just a shame today will be 90% re-drafting players.
 

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Anyone else find it funny how the fox footy lab rated Jye Amiss’ 3.4 goals per match as not elite :tearsofjoy:
yet the mid/fwd of sonsie at 1 goal per match and Judson Clarke at .8 goals per match and Motlop at 1 goal per match as elite.
oh fox.
The whole lab thing reeks of having been done by a stats person who doesn't watch football and certainly not U18s. Guessing the discrepancy there is either that the threshold for 'elite' is different depending on the position the player plays in, or it might be averaging over a longer period of time. Or possibly a typo haha.

Similar problem with the club analysis that was all numeric, iirc it had Essendon as being particularly strong in the clearances and in defence but average in other areas (not sure if that was supposed to reflect picking up Hobbs and Lord or what).

Just a shit show really. The trade and draft stuff should be more of a collaboration between SEN (who produces Trade Radio with the AFL Media guys having regular slots) and FoxFooty, who are clearly capable of co-operating with Channel 7 and broadcasting material another company has produced. You really don't need competing coverage between AFL accredited media for events like this...
 

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It's just what comes out of the Champion Data black box. How does characteristic x compare against players within that specific position bracket. Same goes for the weird player comparisons.
 

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Thoughts on the guys North picked up? Bergman and curtis seemed like far out picks.
 

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The whole lab thing reeks of having been done by a stats person who doesn't watch football and certainly not U18s. Guessing the discrepancy there is either that the threshold for 'elite' is different depending on the position the player plays in, or it might be averaging over a longer period of time. Or possibly a typo haha.

Similar problem with the club analysis that was all numeric, iirc it had Essendon as being particularly strong in the clearances and in defence but average in other areas (not sure if that was supposed to reflect picking up Hobbs and Lord or what).

Just a sh*t show really. The trade and draft stuff should be more of a collaboration between SEN (who produces Trade Radio with the AFL Media guys having regular slots) and FoxFooty, who are clearly capable of co-operating with Channel 7 and broadcasting material another company has produced. You really don't need competing coverage between AFL accredited media for events like this...
i completely understand it was for positional ratings (and yes, under 19/18 stats but...) but a full forward averaging more goals than the afl coleman winner is not rated as elite in that stat....gimme a break.
 
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God I've been waiting for absolutely ages for this opportunity! Early disclaimer, this is just my top 22 for next years crop early on, so some positions are iffy at best!

FB: Sam Gilbey (Claremont/ WA), Jedd Busslinger (East Perth/ WA), Jonti Schuback (Gippsland Power/ VIC C)

Gilbey is a speedy rebounding defender out of Claremont, with a piercing left foot out of defence, his attacking flair from the back half puts him in a position to transition into a Wing long term, standing at 185 cm, he's a nice height to play on a range of opponents, but his style forces them to defend him moreso than him doing the defending. Busslinger is a classic intercepting tall defender, not too dissimilar to Rhett Bazzo from this year, but I'd argue more damaging with his disposal and more willing to push up the ground, the 195 cm East Perth product will have his work cut out for him at the champs next season with the strength of the tall forwards. Jonti, otherwise known as 'The Jont', is another smooth mover like Gilbey, but is arguably better on the wings or in the thick of things as a rover, also possessing a damaging boot and speed.

HB: Kobe Ryan (West Adelaide/ SA), Harry Barnett (West Adelaide/ SA), Jed Hagan (East Fremantle/ WA)

Ryan is 100% better as a midfielder, but due to not many others in the side being able to play multiple positions (or rather, not showing that versatility) he's forced onto the half back line, where his class and poise under pressure are still valuable weapons when forced back here that he utilises to full effect. There's a bit of the Pendlebury's to Ryan, with his movement smooth but looking more so due to read of the game than athleticism. Barnett is 202cm and has played mainly ruck and forward, but at his height he's got sublime skills and athleticism that may see him turn into a successful Key Defender. Regardless, his ability to get around the ground and impact in all phases of the game is invaluable for a big man. Hagan is very much a 'performance' selection here, having made the WA U19s team and holding his own it's hard to deny that he's got more exposure than most, however I expect he may drop quickly next year =(

C: Elijah Tstatas (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M), George Wardlaw (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M), Oliver Hollands (Murray Bushrangers/ VIC C)

Arguably 3 of the best 4 mids heading into next year, all three of these guys have shown their capabilities as inside and outside players with genuine game sense. Elijah is an athletic beast with his acceleration around stoppages a massive weapon of his, paired with his damaging kick he looms as a genuine Pick 1 candidate early. Wardlaw is also in that same calibre of player, but a much stronger contested player with a real strength of his being his repeat efforts, inside consistency and the ability to stand up in tackles, and that's no joke, the RookieMe Central team were discussing last night and concluded we'd never seen Wardlaw brought to ground before disposing of the ball. Hollands is the brother of the SUNS' Elijah, with athleticism and class being key features of his game.

HF: Jack O'Sullivan (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC C), Will Elliott (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M), Harry Sheezel (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)

O'Sullivan is exactly the type of small player that I love, so early disclaimer that I may be overrating him all of 2022, but as a forward he's a pressure machine that knows how to use it going forward as well, there's not many tackles he goes for that he doesn't lay and when rotated through the midfield he's a contested ball magnet as well. Elliott is a super athletic tall, which is looking to be a theme next year, who can play ruck but looks much more at home as a forward, where he can impact well at ground level and aerially for his height. Sheezel is similar to Rachele from this years draft, but slightly taller and I think with a little stronger workrate, but a similar flair in the forward 50 and knack for doing miraculous things

FF: Elijah Hewett (Swan Districts/ WA), Harry Lemmey (West Adelaide/ SA), Mattaes Phillipou (WWT Eagles/ SA)

The premiere tall heading into next season, Lemmey is a lead up specialist with his arm span and ability to mark in front at full speed allowing him to beat most opponents with ease when given the space to lead into, with his follow up shot at goal super impressive for a junior, already having a well defined routine. Phillipou is a super athletic medium forward that runs through the midfield well, it's very much a speculative pick having him this high early on, but I think he's got a lot of similar traits to a guy like Calen Poulter. Hewett has done the majority of his damage as a big bodied inside ball winner for WA, but at club and PSA level has had some impressive stints up forward, and he still manages to hit the scoreboard when playing through the guts.

R: Jackson Broadbent (Peel Thunder/ WA), Will Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M), Jhye Clark (Geelong Falcons/ VIC C)

Broadbent is undoubtedly a big prospect, and whilst he may not have the athleticism of other ruck options next year he already looks like a guy that could be considered a safe bet to make it as a number 1 ruck at the next level, early on he reminds me a bit of Jarrod Witts, but I feel Broadbent is more mobile. Ashcroft will be spoken about plenty as a top end father-son, but he does pretty much everything as a midfielder really well and frequently hits the scoreboard. Clark is a hard at it mid that is surprisingly clean with his disposal, even when being tackled or directly pressured he manages to hit targets by hand or foot

IN/C: Noah Long (Bendigo Pioneers/ VIC C), Kane Bevan (West Perth/ WA), Adam D'Aloia (WWT Eagles/ SA), Matthew Jeffersen (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M)

Long is a very similar player to Caleb Serong, just high workrate, ferocious and doesn't let his size stop him from having a crack and really troubling opposition players through the midfield. Bevan is a versatile prospect, and at 192 cm he could very well grow to KPP height but keep his strengths as a midfielder, especially his contested ball winning. D'Aloia has impressed everyone that's watched him, even getting a BOG medal in one of the SA U19's games, as well as the SANFL U18s Grand Final, a hard at it and hard working midfielder. Jeffersen is an exciting tall utility, with hisa best performances coming as a forward where his leading patterns and accuracy will impress many
 

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