Draft Expert PMBangers 2023 Draft Thread

[bc27]

I've said it before but Sanders raw 20m sprint testing is actually decent, not elite but still top 30 odd percent for this class, so it's not so much an issue with his speed in my eyes but just a part of his development to help improve his ability to drive the legs out of contest.

And then it's a matter of what role you see him playing, guys like Mitchell, Libba, Wines pre-injury have shown that's there's still a place for first possession winners with elite hands through congestion. No club is picking him to be a line breaking outside mid

The three players you used to compare him to all have major deficiencies in their games and all three have had their respective clubs require them to play specific roles that are heavily compensated by other mids on the team. Yes…I understand this is how a team works…but the limitations in their games have held their respective clubs back at times.

For mine, using a top 10 pick on a mid with a lack of break away speed is asking for trouble.

 

[Mofra]

A google suggests Weitering tested 3.04 for 20m in the combine. Someone posted on the North forum that Murphy's was 3.315.

Take your point that elite speed is not the be all and end all. But surely part of the combine's purpose is to identify these sorts of limitations so they can be factored into draft board valuations?

They can, but in fairness my club was desperate for a KPF for many years and overlooked Jack Riewoldt for Andrejs Everitt partly due to "athleticism"

I think we weight combine results a bit too heavily, hence managers advising some kids to get "niggles" just prior to the combine.

 

[Mofra]

The three players you used to compare him to all have major deficiencies in their games and all three have had their respective clubs require them to play specific roles that are heavily compensated by other mids on the team. Yes…I understand this is how a team works…but the limitations in their games have held their respective clubs back at times.

For mine, using a top 10 pick on a mid with a lack of break away speed is asking for trouble.

IIRC Bontempelli was in the bottom 10% of kids in his draft for acceleration.

To eyeball, Sanders is fine. Someone will probably take Stevens too despite his legspeed issues.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Athletics only matters if they will prevent translation into the AFL.

You can be too slow, but being slow generally is ok if you make up for it with other stuff.

Big believers that if they don't play slow on the field it doesn't matter what the numbers are at the combine

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[Maximus 2011]

Link broken.

Edit: except it works in the quote lol.

ouch

 

[PMBangers]

Hey Bangers what happened to this 16 year old, doesn't play like this now? I remember posting this in 2021 when I was on the Ryley Sanders bandwagon, not so much the 2023 version.

This is why I'm more inclined to think a lot of his handball happy rather than trying to drive out with speed is down to coaching instruction rather than lack of speed, I know Sandy play a 'first option' approach from the contest and that's where he wins most of his footy.

But he has also packed on a bit of size since then which can't be helping

 

[dazzledavey36]

Hey Bangers what happened to this 16 year old, doesn't play like this now? I remember posting this in 2021 when I was on the Ryley Sanders bandwagon, not so much the 2023 version.

Beefed up too much.

Will need to trim down once he's in an AFL environment.

 

[Swansujelly]

are all the different combine results listed anywhere?

 

[Crow till I die]

I wonder how Murphy's results compare to Weitering? Sam Collins?

If your positioning is good and you're smart enough to cut angles, you can be a very good KPD even without elite legspeed.
It's AFL, not CrossFit.

Since some phantoms have been linking Murphy to us, that he does not have speed others have but his positioning is good has big McAsey vibes and I would be devastated if we used a 1st round pick on him with that disaster still fresh in the mind. There are a dozen other players I'd rather with all 3 of our picks that would far better suit us.

 

[Giant Strides]

are all the different combine results listed anywhere?

This thread collates the National & State Combine results:

News - AFL National/State Combine Results and Discussion 2023

The AFL has released the names of 61 players invited to attend the 2023 AFL Draft Combine. The AFL Draft Combine will showcase many of the country’s most talented draft-age boys footballers. The three-day event will be held in Melbourne from Friday, October 6 to Sunday, October 8. Club...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Swansujelly]

This thread collates the National & State Combine results:

News - AFL National/State Combine Results and Discussion 2023

The AFL has released the names of 61 players invited to attend the 2023 AFL Draft Combine. The AFL Draft Combine will showcase many of the country’s most talented draft-age boys footballers. The three-day event will be held in Melbourne from Friday, October 6 to Sunday, October 8. Club...

www.bigfooty.com

only shows top results. Anywhere to get full results for all attendees?

 

[Giant Strides]

only shows top results. Anywhere to get full results for all attendees?

They never release all of the results.

 

[Swansujelly]

They never release all of the results.

ok. shame that, wonder why?

 

[GWS Goose]

How so,no way they are using pick 10, 14 or 20 on Sruk and we only have 3 open list spots.

maybe looking to trade up. only way it makes sense.
Heard a rumour of us trading 7 and 43 for 10 and 20

If the crows are keen on someone they think will be at 7 but not 10, they may be prepared to downgrade 20 to Sruk.

 

[GWS Goose]

Where TF is this Sruk talk coming from. All our recent drafts we have centred on good ball users, Sruk is not that. I doubt he even gets drafted.

I was only commenting on someone saying that they were interested and someone asking how (clearly not going to use a pick in the 10,14 or 20 on him), I only proposed the only scenario that linked to other rumours that made any sense.
Im by no way suggesting they will pick him or have any interest.

 

[KinderSmock]

“Pick 6 - Western Bulldogs - Ryley Sanders
185 cm 86 kg
Sandringham Dragons
Midfielder
I guess the main concerns around Sanders have been his ability to drive his legs out of the contest, and whether there's much development left in him physically given he's already at his AFL playing weight/ size, they're fair concerns, but I think the worst case scenario for Sanders at the next level is still a 200 game midfielder.”


This is the lad for me that is most likely to slide.
I think teams will overlook junior production for speed and in my opinion this kid just isn’t going to have the speed that will be conducive to winning footy at afl level.

I can see sanders slipping to the second round.

Talented kid, playing against men since he was 15. Humble, friendly and he's already lived out of home so the transition to the AFL is easier.

 

[FlyingV]

Clearly you’ve got far better knowledge then I on these recruits, and I think you do a fantastic job with it.

Personally I see him being this years Matthew Johnson. I think clubs are shying away from drafting bigger bodied mids early that have shown they arent able to break away from contests and cause teams headaches.

From viewings I’ve had of sanders, I’m not seeing a great deal of speed and this is only going to become more and more of a problem as his career progresses and where the game is heading.

I agree with your overall stance. If you are an inside mid, who is not an excellent athlete (or has a significant point of difference) you might slide, as most sides only need a couple of those types in their side.

I think a better example of this being the case was Ben Hobbs. Touted top 6 most of year, slipped to 12 odd.

 

[bc27]

I agree with your overall stance. If you are an inside mid, who is not an excellent athlete (or has a significant point of difference) you might slide, as most sides only need a couple of those types in their side.

I think a better example of this being the case was Ben Hobbs. Touted top 6 most of year, slipped to 12 odd.

To be honest the video that someone posted on here earlier of when Sanders was under 16’s was impressive.

I just think clubs are wary of mids with potential athletic limitations at the moment. Speed is what teams are screaming for.

 

[bmaurizio]

Speed to a point, but good footy IQ , ability call it skill X facto whatever one wants that is the real point of difference .
Speed alone, at times camouflages deficiencies in other critical areas.

 

[GWS Goose]

No chance he slips past Essendon.

Ill be shocked if he slips too Essendon

 

[GWS Goose]

The three players you used to compare him to all have major deficiencies in their games and all three have had their respective clubs require them to play specific roles that are heavily compensated by other mids on the team. Yes…I understand this is how a team works…but the limitations in their games have held their respective clubs back at times.

For mine, using a top 10 pick on a mid with a lack of break away speed is asking for trouble.

2 of them are Brownlow winners

 

[Jeffcrowe]

This is why I'm more inclined to think a lot of his handball happy rather than trying to drive out with speed is down to coaching instruction rather than lack of speed, I know Sandy play a 'first option' approach from the contest and that's where he wins most of his footy.

But he has also packed on a bit of size since then which can't be helping

he will be plenty quick enough maybe like an Andrew Brayshaw level, clubs will tinker with his game to bring out his best strengths

also is so clean and some of his handball sets up players so well like a lachie neale and you wouldn't want to coach all of that out of him either

top 10 pick for me , closer to 10 than 1 though

 

[master bate]

he will be plenty quick enough maybe like an Andrew Brayshaw level, clubs will tinker with his game to bring out his best strengths

also is so clean and some of his handball sets up players so well like a lachie neale and you wouldn't want to coach all of that out of him either

top 10 pick for me , closer to 10 than 1 though

I like the Neale comparison. They're both players who excel via elite fundamentals. The rest of Sanders game might be a bit meh but his quick decision making is impressively sharp.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I like the Neale comparison. They're both players who excel via elite fundamentals. The rest of Sanders game might be a bit meh but his quick decision making is impressively sharp.

Yep it’s a most underrated part to footy hence a Brownlow medallist can last until pick 50 or whatever it was

 

[Jazny]

For mine, using a top 10 pick on a mid with a lack of break away speed is asking for trouble.

I bet the pies regret taking Pendles with a top 10 pick. He could never get his 20m sprint under 3s, should have probably just delisted.