Draft Expert PMBangers 2025 Draft Thread

[tigs2010]

No one on the WC board are proposing trades where both clubs win, and that's the only type of trade academy/father son clubs are interested.

In their defence they saw a lot of 1 sided trades last year

 

[txbyhull]

No team that has to match a bid, trades for equal points, that's just plain stupidity. There's no material gain for Carlton.

Especially when you're in Carltons position. What you are proposing has no material advantage for Carlton, in fact it's a big disadvantage, because you are asking Carlton to push it's first live pick back. Carlton may as well just keep their two picks, and have the early bid push their first live pick back to same part of the draft anyway.

There's all this bravado on the West Coast board about making academy/father son teams pay, and forcing them to trade or WC will bid early, except everything ya'll talk about only benefits WC and still screws the other team. No one on the WC board are proposing trades where both clubs win, and that's the only type of trade academy/father son clubs are interested.

Captain context clues over here not being able to figure out I was correcting the previous poster regarding which teams picks were being talked about.

Since I’m not the omnipresent messiah like yourselves, I’ll fill you in. Obviously 9 for 13 and 34 is a bad trade for Carlton. I’d love for you to find where I said Carlton should do that trade.

 

[briztoon]

Captain context clues over here not being able to figure out I was correcting the previous poster regarding which teams picks were being talked about.

Since I’m not the omnipresent messiah like yourselves, I’ll fill you in. Obviously 9 for 13 and 34 is a bad trade for Carlton. I’d love for you to find where I said Carlton should do that trade.

My bad on this. Came in half way though the conversation, and that post of yours was the first NEW post, where I started from.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

No team that has to match a bid, trades for equal points, that's just plain stupidity. There's no material gain for Carlton.

Especially when you're in Carltons position. What you are proposing has no material advantage for Carlton, in fact it's a big disadvantage, because you are asking Carlton to push it's first live pick back. Carlton may as well just keep their two picks, and have the early bid push their first live pick back to same part of the draft anyway.

There's all this bravado on the West Coast board about making academy/father son teams pay, and forcing them to trade or WC will bid early, except everything ya'll talk about only benefits WC and still screws the other team. No one on the WC board are proposing trades where both clubs win, and that's the only type of trade academy/father son clubs are interested.

Ah, the panicked ramblings of an academy/father son club supporter.

We've got em' on the run boys! Pick 34 for 9 as our final offer

 

[blueiris]

Being that Ashcroft was just draft eligible last year he’d clearly be number 1 in this draft

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Ah, the panicked ramblings of an academy/father son club supporter.

We've got em' on the run boys! Pick 34 for 9 as our final offer

I'm sure we'd be okay letting Dean work on his rig in the gym for a season and head home for a pick in the 100s next year. Blues can pick up two other highly rated kids knowing big Harold will be on his way home 12 months later.

My biggest concern is actually a bid on Ison. Just get the feeling someone is going to go early on him in the late teens rather than the projected late 20s/early 30s range. Massively underrated imo.

 

[Keystone agony]

I'm sure we'd be okay letting Dean work on his rig in the gym for a season and head home for a pick in the 100s next year. Blues can pick up two other highly rated kids knowing big Harold will be on his way home 12 months later.

My biggest concern is actually a bid on Ison. Just get the feeling someone is going to go early on him in the late teens rather than the projected late 20s/early 30s range. Massively underrated imo.

Yeh eagles aint trading him for pick 100

Carlton are matching a bid regardless of where it comes, so pretty pointless chat

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Yeh eagles aint trading him for pick 100

Carlton are matching a bid regardless of where it comes, so pretty pointless chat

And Eagles likely aint bidding on him at 2

So I agree.

 

[RanaNaved]

I'm sure we'd be okay letting Dean work on his rig in the gym for a season and head home for a pick in the 100s next year. Blues can pick up two other highly rated kids knowing big Harold will be on his way home 12 months later.

My biggest concern is actually a bid on Ison. Just get the feeling someone is going to go early on him in the late teens rather than the projected late 20s/early 30s range. Massively underrated imo.

Heard the same wishful thinking from opposition supporters re Harley....

 

[PMBangers]

Being that Ashcroft was just draft eligible last year he’d clearly be number 1 in this draft

Ok

 

[RanaNaved]

And Eagles likely aint bidding on him at 2

So I agree.

Why do you think WC wouldn't bid on him?

 

[weltschmerz]

Why would West Coast let a contracted first round pick walk for pick 100?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Heard the same wishful thinking from opposition supporters re Harley....

Why do you think WC wouldn't bid on him?

Why would WCE bid on a player generally rated between 7-15 in practically every phantom guide, ESPN rating etc at pick 2? If they really really wanted him they'd put in a bid at 1 as it would make him borderline unaffordable for Carlton to match and then take Duursma with their 2nd pick.

The talk is they're trying to strong arm Carlton into trading them their first pick, I can't imagine that's the type of thing to go down well in terms of relations between the two clubs. Blues would be better off calling their bluff and having Dean request a trade home after 12 months building his frame up in the gym.

 

[Keystone agony]

Why would WCE bid on a player generally rated between 7-15 in practically every phantom guide, ESPN rating etc at pick 2? If they really really wanted him they'd put in a bid at 1 as it would make him borderline unaffordable for Carlton to match and then take Duursma with their 2nd pick.

The talk is they're trying to strong arm Carlton into trading them their first pick, I can't imagine that's the type of thing to go down well in terms of relations between the two clubs. Blues would be better off calling their bluff and having Dean request a trade home after 12 months building his frame up in the gym.

Hes rated 8th at the latest with Twomey, he has the best guides

Eagles pick 2 could end up being pick 5 bid Dean

8 to 5 isnt a ridiculous difference considering eagles need quality tall defenders, Twomey mentioned it and theres been articles

Its unlikely, but could occur

 

[txbyhull]

Why would WCE bid on a player generally rated between 7-15 in practically every phantom guide, ESPN rating etc at pick 2? If they really really wanted him they'd put in a bid at 1 as it would make him borderline unaffordable for Carlton to match and then take Duursma with their 2nd pick.

The talk is they're trying to strong arm Carlton into trading them their first pick, I can't imagine that's the type of thing to go down well in terms of relations between the two clubs. Blues would be better off calling their bluff and having Dean request a trade home after 12 months building his frame up in the gym.

And the eagles would just say no? First rounders have 3 year contracts these days.

The likely scenario is that Eagles and Carlton come to some form of agreement that sees Eagles get 9 and Dean not bid on until at least Richmond’s pick 5.

 

[RanaNaved]

Why would WCE bid on a player generally rated between 7-15 in practically every phantom guide, ESPN rating etc at pick 2? If they really really wanted him they'd put in a bid at 1 as it would make him borderline unaffordable for Carlton to match and then take Duursma with their 2nd pick.

The talk is they're trying to strong arm Carlton into trading them their first pick, I can't imagine that's the type of thing to go down well in terms of relations between the two clubs. Blues would be better off calling their bluff and having Dean request a trade home after 12 months building his frame up in the gym.

Again with the 'he'd leave after 1 year' nonsense

Eagles absolutely love Dean and they are definitely looking for a young high end KPD which Harry is.

It's unlikely they bid in the top 2, but the interest in Dean is genuine, not merely chicanery

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Hes rated 8th at the latest with Twomey, he has the best guides

Eagles pick 2 could end up being pick 5 bid Dean

8 to 5 isnt a ridiculous difference considering eagles need quality tall defenders, Twomey mentioned it and theres been articles

Its unlikely, but could occur

A bid at 5 is very different to a bid at 2 though

 

[Shueygod]

Why would WCE bid on a player generally rated between 7-15 in practically every phantom guide, ESPN rating etc at pick 2? If they really really wanted him they'd put in a bid at 1 as it would make him borderline unaffordable for Carlton to match and then take Duursma with their 2nd pick.

The talk is they're trying to strong arm Carlton into trading them their first pick, I can't imagine that's the type of thing to go down well in terms of relations between the two clubs. Blues would be better off calling their bluff and having Dean request a trade home after 12 months building his frame up in the gym.

I like the assumption that Dean would want to still go to the club that didn’t want him, reckon he’d be pretty disillusioned with Carlton if that were to occur.

 

[Barrybran]

Why would West Coast let a contracted first round pick walk for pick 100?

Same reason we were trading Harley Reid for peanuts the last two offseasons

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Why would West Coast let a contracted first round pick walk for pick 100?

Because we'll tell them we'll take Owies back with him!

 

[blueiris]

Ok

You don’t agree

 

[txbyhull]

You don’t agree

It’s just such an obvious and irrelevant statement to make

 

[Leon Baker #4]

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Tier Duursma
I feel I've made it pretty clear that I see Duursma as pretty far and away the best player in the draft with some really exciting traits for the next level that should hold up across a variety of positions. I imagine he'll start his career as a half back that transitions into the midfield with more conditioning behind him, with his athleticism, consistency, IQ and skills all good enough to suggest he could be an AA level player at his peak

Tier 2
Mostly made up of guys that I think have some genuinely elite traits that'll hold up at the next level but some drawbacks that might hold them out of the elite bracket at AFL level, whether that be disposal, athleticism or consistency, I'm still confident these guys will be up the top end of their respective teams at their peak, with the upper end of their potential being AA level

Tier 3
Guys that possess one elite trait or are pretty good across the board and I'm pretty confident they'll be Above Average to Good at the very least, and most have a similar ceiling to the Tier 2 guys from my POV

Tier 4
Some guys in here I really like and some I'm not huge on, but the tier as a whole is made up of prospects I see AFL level potential in but I'm not super confident they'll make it for one reason or another, but still expect them to get drafted.

Appreciate this quality of information PMBangers. Cumming and Farrow for are my first 2 picks to rectify Essendon's needs too, but based on your rankings would you attempt to trade these picks with the Eagles for Duursma - assuming Eagles will do that & grab CDT/Robey and 2 players out of your 3rd tier list?

Would be rapt to bring in both - Cumming has shades of Cousins & Farrow has shades of Dawson.

Isn't 2 better than 1?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

I'm sure we'd be okay letting Dean work on his rig in the gym for a season and head home for a pick in the 100s next year. Blues can pick up two other highly rated kids knowing big Harold will be on his way home 12 months later.

"Work on his rig in the gym"? Pffft you clearly know nothing about the Eagles high performance methodlogy.

We'll be sending him back 10kg lighter & with half the skills. He'll be smashing those 2km time trials though!

 

[Broken_Chairs]

And Eagles likely aint bidding on him at 2

So I agree.

Of course we aren't bidding on Dean at pick 2 when there's far better club-linked prospects.

Dean will be pick 5 by the time we've bid through Uwland, Patterson & Annable