POD's

[SureBuddy]

I think he's the best player in the league clearly if you remove Ablett. Every year he tightens up his disp efficency and I think he has one more level to go, which yes will still have him a level below Ablett. Just the shoulder, it's his first real serious injury from memory? and the fact the Kids at GC will be taking big steps as well, he might be rested more on the bench instead of forward. Just a combination of things, by no means is it a certainty but there's enough to have some sort of query. Maybe i'm just trying to convince myself, I guess we will find out soon enough.

Haha, I love it! I can tell you were trying to convince yourself as you were typing that!
He is the best player in the comp by far and Gold Coast are aiming to make finals and do well. They would be absolutely insane to rest him more and not get the full potential from him.
Fyfe is a gun, a bloody superstar, however I think SC wise he is still behind Pendles and Rocky. Not by much, but still a bit. The fact he never plays a full season like the other two is one issue. He also had hammy issues recently by the way.

 

[Raveneyes]

Gaz at 70% in the forward line is still going to bloody dominate mate. He will still get low 100's. I am starting with him for sure, only thing that will change that is if we get more definitive info about him being out longer.

Even if he bleeds 100k, it is not big deal at all because he will make that and more back later in the season. 100k is not worth wasting a trade to try and get him in. You are going to either need to sideways trade one of your absolute premo's, eg. Fyfe / Selwood / Pendles to actually get him in. No one is going to have generated enough cash come round 4/5 to be able to upgrade a rookie to him, let alone upgrade a mid pricer to him. So basically you will be trading out one of the top 4 mids to get another top 4 mid in and you will then have to use another trade later on to get that top 4 mid back into your team. So basically for the sake of a few lost points and a little hit on his value early on, you would be mad to start without him. You will need to use two trades to rectify not starting with him. Totally not worth it!

This is assuming that Gold Coast are completely honest about that shoulder, and that he will play.
Don't forget that he hasn't had any full contact since the Collingwood game in the middle of last year.

Shoulder injuries can shorten and even ruin careers. The potential for re-injury is very high.

^ It's good logic.

However, I'm worried about him even hitting the low 100's early. Especially given the $734k outlay. It might just be worth the two trades to get him in a bit later than Rd 4/5. Or it might not

Yeah, it is good logic and I'm hopelessly undecided. Gaz will be in and out of my side half a dozen times before Rd 1, I suspect.

2011 - GAJ missed pre-season and round one. These are his next 5 scores:
Round 2 - 91
Round 3 - 141
Round 4 - 109
Round 5 - 95
Round 6 - 75

(He started at 630k and dropped to 530k.)

After this he returned to his brilliant best with a score of 198 and never looked back.
This implies that he will get back to his best eventually, but how long will it take? He is also 4 years older, with a now troublesome shoulder.

He's right to go, the medical staff have said he's been right to go for two weeks. The crossneck Diva obviously thinks he shouldn't have to play a game for no Brownlow votes. He will play Round 1 but I still don't want him. I just find it hard to part with nearly 7.5% of the bank one one guy, a guy that is coming back from a fairly serious shoulder injury...and hasn't played for what, 9 months?

Once again, depends if you believe the Suns medical team or not. Ben Reid was declared right to go early on last year, and played only 4 games.

The dreaded words "injury set-back" are heard all too often.

Guys - I am not saying do not start with GAJ, but merely suggesting that you consider every fact.
I still have GAJ right now, but he is not a lock.

 

[jjsmitty8]

Rookie question, but how do I check players ownership? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

 

[stevebbb]

Rookie question, but how do I check players ownership? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

you need SC Gold
if you have it, go to analyser, coaches' coach, then under own%

if you dont, just ask in a thread and somebody will grab it for you

 

[jjsmitty8]

you need SC Gold
if you have it, go to analyser, coaches' coach, then under own%

if you dont, just ask in a thread and somebody will grab it for you

I do, and now I've found it cheers.

 

[stevebbb]

I do, and now I've found it cheers.

also in research, that's to see all players and not just the players you own

 

[jjsmitty8]

also in research, that's to see all players and not just the players you own

that was my next question!

 

[toxic]

Oh heck, I didn't think Beams would be so high

Weed will do that

 

[KardiniaPark]

Weed will do that

Just because he has tattoos doesn't mean he's on drugs Swanny however

 

[lids2richo]

Yes I do. Very much. Was in my team at one point, could find his way back.
Averaged 113 last year, and there's no reason why he can't go bigger this year.

Currently only 2.44% own him. Get on board, he's a great POD!

Yeah I've had him in and out of my team so many times haha. There's just so many to choose from around that range with jpk/sloane/ward/beams

 

[Raveneyes]

Yeah I've had him in and out of my team so many times haha. There's just so many to choose from around that range with jpk/sloane/ward/beams

Spot on.

All are great options. Most people will have Pendles, so won't have Sidey.

That's what's so great about the midfield, there will be so many varied teams, with all scoring well.

How many sides will have something like this?
Rockliff (12.39%), Sidebottom (2.44%), Sloane (5.52%), Ward (2.66%), Priddis (5.95%) & rookies

Not many, but it's a quality scoring midfield. All have low(ish) ownership.

EDIT: JPK has only 6.84% as well!

 

[Geelong_Bisons_#36]

Jordan Lewis anyone?
What is his ownership% please?

 

[stevebbb]

Jordan Lewis anyone?
What is his ownership% please?

good player from best team, could be a great POD
currently 2.34%

 

[Krujan]

2011 - GAJ missed pre-season and round one. These are his next 5 scores:
Round 2 - 91
Round 3 - 141
Round 4 - 109
Round 5 - 95
Round 6 - 75
(He started at 630k and dropped to 530k.)
After this he returned to his brilliant best with a score of 198 and never looked back.
This implies that he will get back to his best eventually, but how long will it take? He is also 4 years older, with a now troublesome shoulder.

I read that and all I see is that he averaged 118 from the first 6 games that he played in, which would have had him in the top few anyway.

I've said it before, but I just don't understand peoples fixation with super-premo's prices dropping.

 

[MightyMark]

I read that and all I see is that he averaged 118 from the first 6 games that he played in, which would have had him in the top few anyway.

I've said it before, but I just don't understand peoples fixation with super-premo's prices dropping.

From the stats above you could pick him up before round 7 100K cheaper without loosing too much as he only averaged 102 up until that point. You could get that from a fast starting mid pricer.

 

[Krujan]

From the stats above you could pick him up before round 7 100K cheaper without loosing too much as he only averaged 102 up until that point. You could get that from a fast starting mid pricer.

Yeh I get that, but if I definitely want a player in my team for the whole year because they are the best in their position, I will start with them & save trades for other premo's that I'm not 100% sure that they will be the top few in their position.

 

[Deliverance]

This is assuming that Gold Coast are completely honest about that shoulder, and that he will play.
Don't forget that he hasn't had any full contact since the Collingwood game in the middle of last year.

Shoulder injuries can shorten and even ruin careers. The potential for re-injury is very high.



2011 - GAJ missed pre-season and round one. These are his next 5 scores:
Round 2 - 91
Round 3 - 141
Round 4 - 109
Round 5 - 95
Round 6 - 75

(He started at 630k and dropped to 530k.)

After this he returned to his brilliant best with a score of 198 and never looked back.
This implies that he will get back to his best eventually, but how long will it take? He is also 4 years older, with a now troublesome shoulder.



Once again, depends if you believe the Suns medical team or not. Ben Reid was declared right to go early on last year, and played only 4 games.

The dreaded words "injury set-back" are heard all too often.

Guys - I am not saying do not start with GAJ, but merely suggesting that you consider every fact.
I still have GAJ right now, but he is not a lock.

Totally agree, the shoulder is easily the most complicated joint in the body. There are no guarantees he will be the same player ever, let alone round 1. It too much cash to throw at a big unknown.

 

[MightyMark]

Yeh I get that, but if I definitely want a player in my team for the whole year because they are the best in their position, I will start with them & save trades for other premo's that I'm not 100% sure that they will be the top few in their position.

Agree with you there, my issue is that I get the distinct feeling that Ablett is struggling more than they are letting on. If he misses round 1, then there is a good chance he will miss round 2, and even if he does play he will be underdone.

Underdone Ablett is still dominant but I would be hesitant spending 740K on a mere mortal.

To be fair I was juggling the idea of not having Ablett well before this injury issue, but the extra 200K could be used very well elsewhere to give you a better head start.

Having Prestia averaging 110 +200K spent elsewhere (with another better scoring player), is better than Ablett averaging 102, you get a few extra points in the short term, and get to pick Ablett up cheap, win/win.

Obviously this works under the assumption that Ablett wont come back round 2 and start averaging 130 again, but that is a distinct possibility at this stage, and whilst im not counting my chickens yet, thats the way it seems to be leading imo.

 

[PoopingHindi]

Having Prestia averaging 110 +200K spent elsewhere (with another better scoring player), is better than Ablett averaging 102, you get a few extra points in the short term, and get to pick Ablett up cheap, win/win.

is it possible to generate enough cash in those six rounds to take advantage of the 'cheap' price though?
or would you have to sideways a premo?

 

[MightyMark]

is it possible to generate enough cash in those six rounds to take advantage of the 'cheap' price though?
or would you have to sideways a premo?

Depends on what he averages, if he come through and averages 102 in the first 5 rounds like he did last time he started the season under done, he could potential drop 150K before his last under par score no longer applies.

My thinking is that you could use a rookie downgrade to generate some cash to upgrade either a fast starting mid pricer or an under performing premo to Ablett. There is usually someone you pick up in the mids thats not working out well, no better replacement than Ablett.

 

[PoopingHindi]

Depends on what he averages, if he come through and averages 102 in the first 5 rounds like he did last time he started the season under done, he could potential drop 150K before his last under par score no longer applies.

My thinking is that you could use a rookie downgrade to generate some cash to upgrade either a fast starting mid pricer or an under performing premo to Ablett. There is usually someone you pick up in the mids thats not working out well, no better replacement than Ablett.

im 97% convinced.
but there's still a little voice at the back of my head telling me its madness

 

[MightyMark]

im 97% convinced.
but there's still a little voice at the back of my head telling me its madness

Thats because its Ablett.

Honestly, and this isnt going to help you, but its all speculation.

GC and Ablett have been very hush about it, which worries people, but it could purely be a precaution, and come round 2 he will hit the ground running.

The one thing that is swaying me is an article I read a week ago which stated that Ablett still wasn't confident lifting his shoulder too high, and that as this is his first major injury, he is lacking the confidence and worried about a repeat, which too me means even when he comes back it will take a few games before he gets going.

 

[Raveneyes]

I read that and all I see is that he averaged 118 from the first 6 games that he played in, which would have had him in the top few anyway.
I've said it before, but I just don't understand peoples fixation with super-premo's prices dropping.

If you don't start with him, you'll probably need to get him eventually, hence the fixation.
If GAJ drops 50k, you've really gained nothing, but if he drops 150k+, you're getting a massive discount.

Totally agree, the shoulder is easily the most complicated joint in the body. There are no guarantees he will be the same player ever, let alone round 1. It too much cash to throw at a big unknown.

Spot on. My point exactly.

Agree with you there, my issue is that I get the distinct feeling that Ablett is struggling more than they are letting on. If he misses round 1, then there is a good chance he will miss round 2, and even if he does play he will be underdone.

Underdone Ablett is still dominant but I would be hesitant spending 740K on a mere mortal.

To be fair I was juggling the idea of not having Ablett well before this injury issue, but the extra 200K could be used very well elsewhere to give you a better head start.

Having Prestia averaging 110 +200K spent elsewhere (with another better scoring player), is better than Ablett averaging 102, you get a few extra points in the short term, and get to pick Ablett up cheap, win/win.

Obviously this works under the assumption that Ablett wont come back round 2 and start averaging 130 again, but that is a distinct possibility at this stage, and whilst im not counting my chickens yet, thats the way it seems to be leading imo.

Excellent post. Agree 100%

is it possible to generate enough cash in those six rounds to take advantage of the 'cheap' price though?
or would you have to sideways a premo?

Injured or failed premo sideways, or failed mid-pricer downgraded to that rookie you missed, or rookie downgrade with mid price upgrade.
So many scenarios could play out.

Have we ever seen so many variables before the start of the year?
- GAJ's shoulder
- Essendon and ASADA
- Dearth of rookie standouts
- Backline midprice madness

Getting it right from Round One this year feels more important than ever.

 

[Deliverance]

If you don't start with him, you'll probably need to get him eventually, hence the fixation.
If GAJ drops 50k, you've really gained nothing, but if he drops 150k+, you're getting a massive discount.



Spot on. My point exactly.



Excellent post. Agree 100%



Injured or failed premo sideways, or failed mid-pricer downgraded to that rookie you missed, or rookie downgrade with mid price upgrade.
So many scenarios could play out.

Have we ever seen so many variables before the start of the year?
- GAJ's shoulder
- Essendon and ASADA
- Dearth of rookie standouts
- Backline midprice madness

Getting it right from Round One this year feels more important than ever.

Yep, like picking lotto numbers this year.

 

[David Szabo]

GAJ is only in 33% of teams ATM, so if you didn't pick him, you're in the majority.

From all preseason and current research the problem i see with Ablett is that he will not start round 1 and is highly unlikely he will start round 2. The other issue with Ablett is that as of about 10 days ago it was stated that he cannot lift the arm with the injured shoulder above his head....... he may be as fit as he has been in the past as he has been involved in all the training but when he does come back, will he be managed and play in the forward line mainly ? If he was at Dane Swans price and playing that role it would be a no brainer. This is Ablett's first big injury of his career, how is it going to affect him, AND, what is the likelihood that he will be getting those monster scores when he does come back ?? I can still see him getting decent scores of 90+ but this is the gamble we take and the biggest concern is the amount of money he is likely to lose by his 3rd game, he will be cheaper after his 3rd game, but it will take him a little while to get back into the swing of things.......especially with no pre season matches under his belt.