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Chief said:
It quite simply is not. Please check the facts.
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How can you say that when there's no real measure to detrmine what impact online gambling is having.

Have you not noticed the new anti-gambling ads which now have an online angle added to it?

When poker exploded as a hobby I knew of several people who never wagered previously with real money though took up gambling online.

These weren't through Australian poker companies they were offshore enterrpises.

Those stats won't come up in any Australian studies or statistics.

Neither will those people who use offshore betting agencies.

I knew a chap who had a betting account in Macau with a 15k limit, and the guy was on the dole!

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AndSmithMustScore said:
Now?

I've been saying for years I don't care.

So long as when they get ****ed up on drugs all medical costs are at their own expense, not at the tax payers.
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From April this year.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=20602144#post20602144

AndSmithMustScore said:
How do you know?

By legalising something you are saying you condone it.

What kind of a trash society are we if we say to our children "hey, it's ok to do coke and heroin".
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AndSmithMustScore said:
I'm for people doing with their money what they wish.

Where's the indignation for people who waste all their money on alcohol?

That group of people would be larger in number than any pokie addicts.
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There is no indignation.
In your response you hinted that the issue you had was that banning pokies wouldsimply push the addict on to another form of betting,so it was a waste of time.
My question was simply to determine whether you considered it better to therefore ban all gambling to solve the problem or whether you don't see gambling as a problem at all.
In which case, as has been pointed out several times since, why do you have a negative stance on other forms of addiction such as drugs?
 
AndSmithMustScore said:
I'm for people doing with their money what they wish.

Where's the indignation for people who waste all their money on alcohol?

That group of people would be larger in number than any pokie addicts.
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Can you actualy do us here a favour? spend next pension day (7th/8th dec) checking out pokie venues, have a look at who the patrons are, have a free coffee or two they provide and watch, ask the staff is this their busiest time of the week and such......

Then have a look at chiefs stats

40% of total spending on pokies is from problem gamblers (P.C. Report, 2010). Therefore the government tax received from pokie revenue is a disproportionate burden on people who cannot afford it.
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Then work out where these people will go where they can waste so much money so quickly.....if these reforms go ahead

Friday/ sat nites get hammered as well, but this is effected greatly by the drinking crowd and yes your point about them wasting there money somewhere else is valid. But its the poor the old and the bored who pokies uniquely create problem gamblers...

I'm sure somewhere on the web is a report about the psycholigical studies done by pokie machine creators and the colour and lighting of the venues to enhance the ability to capture the punter..

Some venues offer meal dockets where if you buy a sniity and schooner/wine you get 400 credits....once venues have you inside they have most of thier work done...
 
anyone who's done an RCG course is aware at just how insidious pokies are.

the entire industry is a disgrace. aimed at doing oone thing trying convince punters they can win when they really can't.
if i was selling you a shares the way pokies are are advertised then stuck a tiny little disclaimer saying: "investing is for entertainment purposes only" in the fine print. i'd be paraded around as enemy number one.

anyone who says its for entertainment is full s**t, pokies are boring as *, the "excitement" comes from the adrenaline rush you get when you think you can win. yet as those tiny little odds stickers show you have next to no chance of winning. what's further hidden away is that the pay out calculation does not factor in how much you "bet" put in a dollar and if it pays out 10 cents congrats you've "won" even though you lost 90 cents.

its not like other games of chance where the gambler understands what "winning is" you bet on a horse you know exactly how much your going to win. same with cards, same with roulette. same even with the lotto. But not pokies, paying out does not equal being in front and this is the heart of the problem. essentially its a shitty skill tester, where it costs more to play then the prize is worth.
 
rayven said:
I'm sure somewhere on the web is a report about the psycholigical studies done by pokie machine creators and the colour and lighting of the venues to enhance the ability to capture the punter..

Some venues offer meal dockets where if you buy a sniity and schooner/wine you get 400 credits....once venues have you inside they have most of thier work done...
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so much more to it then that, even the sounds they make are researched to push people not only to play but keep playing, the NSW government even had to regulate putting in clocks which were visible because the dens were designed to make people lose track of time when playing. fun fact first they said you had to put clocks in so many of the pokies palaces purposely obstructed them so patrons couldn't see the time.

many casinos give staff 2x 5 hour shifts to keep floor staff fresh, and they have a "chillout room", equipped with tv, video games and free food and drink comfy chairs to hangout in between shifts. This is, not because they care about there staff, But because american studies showed that pokie patrons are more likely to think less time has passed if the staff members are not tired.
 
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Sydney Bloods said:
anyone who's done an RCG course is aware at just how insidious pokies are.

the entire industry is a disgrace. aimed at doing oone thing trying convince punters they can win when they really can't.
if i was selling you a shares the way pokies are are advertised then stuck a tiny little disclaimer saying: "investing is for entertainment purposes only" in the fine print. i'd be paraded around as enemy number one.

anyone who says its for entertainment is full s**t, pokies are boring as ****, the "excitement" comes from the adrenaline rush you get when you think you can win. yet as those tiny little odds stickers show you have next to no chance of winning. what's further hidden away is that the pay out calculation does not factor in how much you "bet" put in a dollar and if it pays out 10 cents congrats you've "won" even though you lost 90 cents.

its not like other games of chance where the gambler understands what "winning is" you bet on a horse you know exactly how much your going to win. same with cards, same with roulette. same even with the lotto. But not pokies, paying out does not equal being in front and this is the heart of the problem. essentially its a shitty skill tester, where it costs more to play then the prize is worth.
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Even worse are those so called entertainment venues near movie theatres for children.
Trying to win an ipad or spinning wheel where you drop in $1 coins to win tickets so that they can be redeemed for prizes. Prizes which cost a couple of dollars at one dollar shops. Or where you put in coins and try to pick up a prize.
I contacted Vic Gaming and Zenophon and was told that those games are not games of chance but skill therefore legal.
Pure rubbish as it was shown on one of the current affair shows that they are rigged.
They target kids who as they get older move on to pokies. Disgrace!
 

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Maggie5 said:
Even worse are those so called entertainment venues near movie theatres for children.
Trying to win an ipad or spinning wheel where you drop in $1 coins to win tickets so that they can be redeemed for prizes. Prizes which cost a couple of dollars at one dollar shops. Or where you put in coins and try to pick up a prize.
I contacted Vic Gaming and Zenophon and was told that those games are not games of chance but skill therefore legal.
Pure rubbish as it was shown on one of the current affair shows that they are rigged.
They target kids who as they get older move on to pokies. Disgrace!
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Movie World, Dream World and Sea World have these type of games for children. They are obsessed by them. It is hard too explain to them that what they have won is worth 20cents and you just spent $2 or more to get it. I refuse to finance these sort of games.
 
The problem with pokies is that you simply cannot win in the long term. They are designed that way, so a regular punter will lose, no exceptions.

They are designed to be addictive, the bells, the music, the picture, and most importantly the number of times near misses come up is actually greater than the odds, everything about them is designed by top psychologists to be addictive.

It is a disgrace and as if Woolworths don't suck enough money out of the household budget. Total bastard of a company, no social responsibility factor at all, their board and executive should be ashamed of themselves - there are ethical ways to make money, they are just too lazy to do business that way.

Shame Woolworths Shame!
 
http://kachingfilm.com/

Essential viewing for anybody wanting to know anout pokies and addiction.

Not fools Power Raid, addicts.

As an aside, The Victorian Responsible Gambling Foundation (an oxymoron if I've ever heard) are moving away from use of the terms "problem" and "addiction". Spineless parrotters of of the governments agenda
 
CLUBMEDhurst said:
http://kachingfilm.com/

Essential viewing for anybody wanting to know anout pokies and addiction.

Not fools Power Raid, addicts.

As an aside, The Victorian Responsible Gambling Foundation (an oxymoron if I've ever heard) are moving away from use of the terms "problem" and "addiction". Spineless parrotters of of the governments agenda
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fair call

what ever it is, it is pretty ordinary people prey on the weak. but you can't protect these people as they will find another way to gamble if not on the pokies.
 
Power Raid said:
fair call

what ever it is, it is pretty ordinary people prey on the weak. but you can't protect these people as they will find another way to gamble if not on the pokies.
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They may find other ways to gamble, but not always do people progress from pokies to other forms of gambling because they are not necessarily addicted to gambling as such, just addicted to poker machines, which is what they are designed to do. They really are very evil and those that manufacture them make them as addictive as possible, this is where legislation should look - the design of the machines.
 
Flash of power said:
They may find other ways to gamble, but not always do people progress from pokies to other forms of gambling because they are not necessarily addicted to gambling as such, just addicted to poker machines, which is what they are designed to do. They really are very evil and those that manufacture them make them as addictive as possible, this is where legislation should look - the design of the machines.
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FTR I hate them and glad I live in a state without them (other than the casino)

I know SA's hand was forced due to the state bank collapse and the greyhound buses to broken hill but F me. talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.

If it was up to me, I would stamp peoples foreheads with "loser" or "peasant" as proof of ID check as a condition of entry. but that may not be practical or fair but it does reflect my dislike for the industry and the machines.
 
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