Current Wiembilla Shootings * The FBI arrests an Arizona man

[Kurve]

While the discussion of motives can't be avoided, please remember this isn't the place to promote support for conspiracy theories. Thanks.

 

[Chief]

no it does not

Tell me more about how I would feel about it.

 

[Lady O]

So was the timing of the public announcement that QLD Police now classified this event as a terrorist attack, an attempt to divert attention from the other issues raised by the below article today

Nathaniel Train purchased ammunition in lead up to shooting despite suspended gun licence, Queensland police confirm

Nathaniel Train was able to purchase ammunition in the lead up to a fatal police shooting in Queensland even though his gun licence was suspended.

www.abc.net.au

'Nathaniel Train purchased ammunition in lead up to Wieambilla shooting despite suspended gun licence, Queensland police confirm​

Exclusive by Rory Callinan
Posted 11h ago, updated 8h ago'

'Police have confirmed Nathaniel Train's gun licence was suspended on August 22 last year and his brother Gareth and ex-wife Stacey did not have a firearm's licence.

Under Queensland law, when buying ammunition, or possessing and storing ammunition, all purchasers must present the seller with a valid licence — a card with a photo of the holder and the class of weapons they are allowed to own.

However, police said Nathaniel Train was still able to purchase ammunition around the Wieambilla region in the lead up to the shooting.
Police told the ABC that dealers sold ammunition legally to Nathaniel Train.

"Retailers of weapons and ammunition are only required to physically sight the weapons licence of the purchaser,'' a police spokesperson said.
The police spokesperson said they had been unable to serve the suspension notice on Nathaniel Train as he could not be located in the months before the shooting, leaving him still "physically in possession of his weapons licence".

"The ammunition was lawfully purchased in Queensland at retail outlets surrounding Wieambilla," the spokesperson said.'
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'On Thursday, Queensland Police Deputy Commissioner Tracy Linford revealed an officer had gone the Train's property in August 2022 to speak with Nathaniel Train about the dumping of the firearms.'
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'Deputy Commissioner Linford said the officer arrived at the property to find the gate locked but could see there was CCTV at the location.

"So, he wrote a card with his name requesting that the occupants of the home contact him,'' she said.

"He's waved it in front of the CCTV and he's put it in their letter box. Now shortly after that he's tried calling the address to no avail and I think he went back to the property and the card was still in the letter box.

"So that led him to believe there was nobody at the property and as a consequence a warrant was left over the firearms offences ... of those firearms being left unsecured at the e-gate [border crossing gate]."
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Perhaps if you have a license in NSW then you should only be able to purchase ammunition/firearms in that state. Otherwise, this could happen again.

 

[kane249]

Perhaps if you have a license in NSW then you should only be able to purchase ammunition/firearms in that state. Otherwise, this could happen again.

Also checking its valid and not just a visual inspection. You would hope this gets tightened up now

 

[Lady O]

Also checking its valid and not just a visual inspection. You would hope this gets tightened up now

Certainly if you provide a driver's license the Policeman usually checks, even for a RBT.

 

[owen87]

Also checking its valid and not just a visual inspection. You would hope this gets tightened up now

Surely some kind of central system to log sales of registered firearms can also dynamically check for license validity... But Melbourne still uses Myki for public transport so it shouldn't surprise me that basic technological developments don't happen.

 

[BFew]

Surely some kind of central system to log sales of registered firearms can also dynamically check for license validity...

Seems like the Government(s) have not been taking the fight against terrorism seriously enough.

Nathaniel Train purchased ammunition in lead up to shooting despite suspended gun licence, Queensland police confirm

Nathaniel Train was able to purchase ammunition in the lead up to a fatal police shooting in Queensland even though his gun licence was suspended.

www.abc.net.au

'Licence checks​

Queensland Police Minister Mark Ryan said there is already a publicly accessible online system that allows dealers to check the status of Queensland licences.

He said he had asked stakeholders if it should be mandatory for dealers to have to use this system to check the status of Queensland weapons licences.

"The Queensland Police Service is always looking for ways to improve community safety and, as such, I have asked them to discuss with stakeholders whether legislative change is required to make it mandatory for dealers to use the Status Check system to determine a person's eligibility at point of sale."

He also said work was underway to improve the state's weapons licensing systems, including the introduction of a weapons licensing management system.

Queensland Firearms Association president Jade Cleaver said he understood that Nathaniel Train had a NSW firearms licence.

He said dealers were unable to check on interstate licences to see if they were valid.

He also said some dealers in remote areas of regional Queensland had problems with the internet at times, making it difficult to access the database that QPS maintains to conduct a check on Queensland licences.'

 

[Kurve]

This is one that absolutely could have become deadly, he spent years collecting extremist material.

A senior member of a South Australian national socialist group found in possession of a small explosive, weapons and extremist material will serve at least 19 months on home detention.

When police raided Patmore's home in April 2021, they found a "small and crude" explosive device in his shed, homemade knives, a machete, battle axe and ammunition.

Judge Burnett said he was also in possession of documents detailing ways of "committing a terrorist act", including techniques for "silent killing" and "household torture".

He said Patmore also had extremist and far-right material, including the manifesto of Christchurch terrorist Brenton Tarrant.

"The list is too long to read," he said.
The court heard Patmore is the treasurer of the SA Men's Health Club — a front for the SA branch of far-right group, the National Socialist Network.

Far-right group member Patrick Patmore sentenced to home detention over extremist material

A senior member of a South Australian national socialist group found in possession of a small explosive, weapons and extremist material will serve at least 19 months on home detention.

www.abc.net.au

 

[BFew]

The court heard Patmore is the treasurer of the SA Men's Health Club — a front for the SA branch of far-right group, the National Socialist Network.

Did the psych believe Patmore?

What about a lie detector test for both Patmore and his legal?

Sounds more like excuses than the truth.

Far-right group member Patrick Patmore sentenced to home detention over extremist material

A senior member of a South Australian national socialist group found in possession of a small explosive, weapons and extremist material will serve at least 19 months on home detention.

www.abc.net.au

'"You told police you were a national socialist, but not an extremist," Judge Burnett said during sentencing.

"You said you didn't intend to use the explosive device or the weapons. You told a psychologist you have no interest in terrorism."

The court heard Patmore made the items "out of boredom and for fun".

Judge Burnett said there was no evidence Patmore was planning to take any action and accepted his explanation that he had a curiosity with building bombs and weapons, as well as extremist ideologies.'

'Lawyers for Patmore opposed, saying he had made “genuine friendships” with other members and joined the group to be social, not because of any political beliefs.'

 

[Kurve]

 

[Kurve]

 

[Kurve]

 

[Sir_Loin]

thanks Kurve totally missed this was on tonight

 

[Kurve]

thanks Kurve totally missed this was on tonight

First time I noticed anything was tonight on a short promo, I was a bit shocked

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

First time I noticed anything was tonight on a short promo, I was a bit shocked

A bit drawn out. Nothing new. Mainly the psychology of conspiracy theorists.

 

[jason_recliner]

MAFS was so much better.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Yeah it was pretty s**t. There’s not much they can really say until the coroner finishes the inquest so why did they even bother

 

[metic]

 

[Kurve]

There's been a pre-inquest conference to determine what findings need to be made. Arnold and McCrow were wounded then fatally shot at close range within 10 minutes of entering the property, Dare was taking video with his phone when he was shot and it shows there was no interaction. Video from the SERT chopper shows all three Trains including Stacey, firing heavily. Investigators have gone back 6 years in to their phone records.

O'Gorman said the body-worn camera footage from the two officers showed "no interaction" with any residents at the property before one or more of the Trains opened fire.

Dare was recording a video on his phone when he was shot that also showed no interaction with the Trains before he was killed.

The inquest will include looking into the online activities of the Trains and "identify possible associates who may have influenced them in their actions".

'No interaction' with officers before deadly Queensland cop shooting

Counsel assisting said the body-worn camera footage from the two officers showed "no interaction" with any ...

www.9news.com.au

 

[Kurve]

Fired shots at police, who returned fire.

Police suspect a man who fired a gun at heavily armed police, before turning the weapon on himself, during a siege near Lithgow was linked to the Sovereign Citizen conspiracy movement.

News footage shows his partner surrendering in front of a flag bearing imagery from anti-government fringe political movements as the stand-off came to a grim end.

A flag, hanging in the window of the home, bears the blue and white stars of the Eureka stockade which is a widely used symbol of anti-government or working-class resistance. It has since been adopted across the political spectrum in Australia.

The flag also contains a less common and wholly American revolutionary symbol - the yellow Gadsen rattlesnake.

Man who shot himself in police siege Sovereign Citizen, police suspect

A man is dead in a suspected suicide following a siege west of the Blue Mountains where shots were fired at heavily armed police.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Sir_Loin]

Apparently someone in the US has been arrested related to this?

 

[Kurve]

Apparently someone in the US has been arrested related to this?

It might be Geronimoes Bones, the man the Trains had been talking to.

A man has been arrested by the FBI in the US state of Arizona in connection to the shooting deaths of two young police officers and a civilian neighbour in Wieambilla last year.

The 58-year-old was arrested near Heber Overgaard, north-east of Phoenix, on December 1 US time as part of the investigation into what police have labelled a religiously-motivated terrorist attack.

Man arrested in Arizona over Wieambilla attack sent shooters 'end of days' ideological messages

A man has been arrested in the US state of Arizona in connection with the shooting of two young police officers and a civilian neighbour in the rural Queensland community of Wieambilla last year.

www.abc.net.au

US religious conspiracist linked to Queensland police killers Gareth and Stacey Train

Australian couple behind Wieambilla attack were in regular contact with man with a similar fundamentalist theology

www.theguardian.com

 

[CD Xbow]

ABC have an article about what the police knew about Nathanial Train prior to the shooting. Sounds like the coronial investigation is underway and we will know more following that.

Emails show police had detailed information about Nathaniel Train a year before Wieambilla terror attack

Emails obtained by the ABC under a Right to Information request reveal police had detailed information about Nathaniel Train almost a year before the Wieambilla attack.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kurve]

Geronimo's Bones again.

Donald Day Jr is facing new charges following his arrest in December — illegal firearm possession and threatening FBI agents.

Arizona man allegedly linked to Wieambilla shooting faces new charges

Trusted and independent source of local, national and world news. In-depth analysis, business, sport, weather and more.

www.abc.net.au

 

[kane249]

Geronimo's Bones again.

Donald Day Jr is facing new charges following his arrest in December — illegal firearm possession and threatening FBI agents.

Arizona man allegedly linked to Wieambilla shooting faces new charges

Trusted and independent source of local, national and world news. In-depth analysis, business, sport, weather and more.

www.abc.net.au

Wieambilla shooting: Donald Day allegedly had buckets of ammunition and threatened FBI agents, US court told

Arizona conspiracy theorist faces fresh weapons charges and is accused of threatening five special agents during his arrest in late 2023

www.theguardian.com

Last month, Day’s lawyers filed a motion to have the case thrown out, seeking to protect his comments under the first amendment.

His lawyers said the indictment failed to allege a “true threat” to commit violence and Day was “therefore protected by the first amendment to the United States constitution”, which covers the right to free speech.

“Even accepting as true the indictment’s assertion that ‘devils’ is code for ‘police officers’ specifically, as opposed to ‘unlawful government actors’ in general, Mr Day’s assertion that if ‘devils come [to kill] us,’ he would respond in kind cannot fairly be read as ‘a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence’.”

His lawyers argued the statements Day allegedly made were not threats against a “person” as required under the statute. Their motion argued the group of persons allegedly threatened by the statement was too vague and ill-defined to constitute a “person”.

wtf

 

[Kurve]

Generation Why, their research is generally pretty good.

The Wieambilla Shootings - 561

<p>December 12th, 2022. Wieambilla, Queensland. Four officers arrived at a property owned by Gareth and Stacey Train to follow up on a missing persons report concerning Gareth’s brother Nathaniel. Upon arrival, the officers found themselves involved in a shootout. Join us as we discuss a strange...

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