Political Discussion part #2 - SA General Election 2018 and onwards!

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He has been prone to a couple of gaffes this campaign and this is another one.

The problem is that most voters think politicans lie so impact will probably be negligible but still shouldn't happen all the same.
It wasn’t a gaff, it was a lie because that’s what he is, a big fat liar.

And when are you going to start getting concerned? Gaffs, lies, incompetence and blatant deceit.

This is the guy and party who you think we should just trust, “don’t worry about the costings, it will be alright”.

What can you base this confidence on, because nothing Shorten and Bowen have done on this campaign has shown they are ready to lead.
 

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It wasn’t a gaff, it was a lie because that’s what he is, a big fat liar.

And when are you going to start getting concerned? Gaffs, lies, incompetence and blatant deceit.

This is the guy and party who you think we should just trust, “don’t worry about the costings, it will be alright”.

What can you base this confidence on, because nothing Shorten and Bowen have done on this campaign has shown they are ready to lead.
Does Morrison lie?
 

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He has been prone to a couple of gaffes this campaign and this is another one.

The problem is that most voters think politicans lie so impact will probably be negligible but still shouldn't happen all the same.
It won’t change the result, but it’s the type of gaffe that goes to the heart of why he’s unpopular as a preferred PM. There’s a fair lack of trust that surrounds him, no doubt this’ll lose a few swinging voters if the LNP can capitalise on it. Still, a bloke earning $250k isn’t the total story. Might be doing 60 hours per week while living away from his family and be supporting a mortgage, wife and 4 school aged children that he wants to go to a decent school. He’d have less discretionary cash than a childless couple on $60k each. Meanwhile, the single 25 year old standing next to him just brought a brand new Lancruiser to tow his 40ft boat because the 2014 version just wasn’t doing it for him anymore. Income isn’t everything.
 

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So you don’t have the details?

Your blindly going to put your trust in something without knowing what you are talking about?

You are beyond illiterate, you are a deluded fool.
Kirky is a full on barracker. He voted for Labor when they promised to not bring in a tax on carbon. He’d vote for them this election if their policy was to hold tight on climate change policy until we see what the big emitters are going to do. He’d applaud them if their policy on negative gearing was put on hold because they’ve said prices are already correcting, we’ve got it as a lever if we need to pull it, but not yet. He’d vote for them if they did a full backflip on imputation credits. Every now and again he’ll post something reasonable, but he is purely a full throttle barracker and I’d be surprised if he isn’t at a polling booth come Election Day. He is as rusted on a disciple of the Labor Party that there is.
 

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Kirky is a full on barracker. He voted for Labor when they promised to not bring in a tax on carbon. He’d vote for them this election if their policy was to hold tight on climate change policy until we see what the big emitters are going to do. He’d applaud them if their policy on negative gearing was put on hold because they’ve said prices are already correcting, we’ve got it as a lever if we need to pull it, but not yet. He’d vote for them if they did a full backflip on imputation credits. Every now and again he’ll post something reasonable, but he is purely a full throttle barracker and I’d be surprised if he isn’t at a polling booth come Election Day. He is as rusted on a disciple of the Labor Party that there is.
A bit like Bill:

“I agree with Julia”

But what did she say?

“I don’t know but I agree with her”
 

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Kirky is a full on barracker. He voted for Labor when they promised to not bring in a tax on carbon. He’d vote for them this election if their policy was to hold tight on climate change policy until we see what the big emitters are going to do. He’d applaud them if their policy on negative gearing was put on hold because they’ve said prices are already correcting, we’ve got it as a lever if we need to pull it, but not yet. He’d vote for them if they did a full backflip on imputation credits. Every now and again he’ll post something reasonable, but he is purely a full throttle barracker and I’d be surprised if he isn’t at a polling booth come Election Day. He is as rusted on a disciple of the Labor Party that there is.
Yes I am this election - voted for Howard in 1998, Beazley in 2001, no-one in 2004, Rudd in 2007, Gillard in 2010, no-one in 2013, Turnbull in 2016 and yes it will be Shorten in 2019.

I'm now a self-funded retiree who will lose in franking credits but you know what it is the right policy, doing something about the climate is right thing to do, never have agreed with negative gearing. Seen a lot of business tax returns, trust tax returns and self-employed individual tax returns over the years. Who does the heavy lifting? The PAYE tax payer.

I am not a member of the ALP and no I won't be maning any electoral booths as an ALP volunteer.

Just on franking credits, I'll guarantee when ALP remove it should they get into power, the Coalition won't bring it back when they get back in.
 
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It won’t change the result, but it’s the type of gaffe that goes to the heart of why he’s unpopular as a preferred PM. There’s a fair lack of trust that surrounds him, no doubt this’ll lose a few swinging voters if the LNP can capitalise on it. Still, a bloke earning $250k isn’t the total story. Might be doing 60 hours per week while living away from his family and be supporting a mortgage, wife and 4 school aged children that he wants to go to a decent school. He’d have less discretionary cash than a childless couple on $60k each. Meanwhile, the single 25 year old standing next to him just brought a brand new Lancruiser to tow his 40ft boat because the 2014 version just wasn’t doing it for him anymore. Income isn’t everything.
It is one of the reasons he has a low approval rating. It will not make a difference in my opinion as the ordinary voter knows what they think of Bill Shorten. And Preferred MP ratings mean nothing in relation to who people vote for - Keating had a higher PPM rating than Howard in 1996, Rudd had a higher PPM rating than Abbott in 2013.

Well if he is doing 60 hours a week and getting $250k for it that is still out of whack. He would be in the top 1% earners in Australia and should be happy with that.

We all make choices in our lives - whether it be having a McMansion, sending kids to private school, driving a Mercedes. Doesn't mean the government should be handing out tax breaks etc to those who actually don't need it. The government financial support is there for those who are less fortunate in our society.
 
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Yep Shorten was being Shorten, a weasel liar who would say anything to anyone if it meant he could gain an advantage.

Only a deluded fool would dismiss the lie and focus on the question.
Shorten has abit of the Kevin747 about him. I reckon behind closed doors he would be dummy spitter. He will not last the full term. It's going to be fun to watch.
 

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No I have already made a comment on Bill and his gaffes.

Does Morrison lie?
All politicians lie, some just a lot more than others.

Some are also a lot smarter than others, when your policy is to increase taxes on high income earners, when asked a question about giving high income earners a tax break, you don’t respond with “we will look at it”. You man up and stick to the convinction of your policies, but he’s such a gutless weasel he thought he’d lie and no one would notice.

This is the lying fool you want to run the country and who you think we should just trust, because you know “it will be alright”.
 
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