Political Discussion part #2 - SA General Election 2018 and onwards!

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Yeh, the poor bastards earn $250k per year. When you earn that sort of money you don't need a tax cut. God we have a nation of what is in it for me. **** me.

Shorten should have told them to **** off. He was polite.
Polite my ass, he was doing what comes so natural to him.....lying through his teeth...it's ingrained in his DNA.

If you haven't already seen enough evidence of this you're totally blind to Shorten's many flaws.

He has a different answer for the same question depending on the crowd he's addressing none more so than the differing answer he's given on the Adani question when speaking to the people of Townsville as opposed to the people he's speaking to in inner city Melbourne.
 

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He has been prone to a couple of gaffes this campaign and this is another one.

The problem is that most voters think politicans lie so impact will probably be negligible but still shouldn't happen all the same.
Gaffes?

Deliberate mistruths more likely!
 

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Gaffes?

Deliberate mistruths more likely!
What make me laugh is if he thinks they are just gaffes, he just accepts them, “oh it’s just another gaff, nothing to worry about, the voters won’t care”

Labor will win but seeing them have such a shit campaign and labor lovers squirming has made the election campaign a little enjoyable. But it’s concerning that these clowns will soon be running the country.
 

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What make me laugh is if he thinks they are just gaffes, he just accepts them, “oh it’s just another gaff, nothing to worry about, the voters won’t care”

Labor will win but seeing them have such a shit campaign and labor lovers squirming has made the election campaign a little enjoyable. But it’s concerning that these clowns will soon be running the country.
A gaffe or a barefaced lie? You choose.

 

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After Brendan O'Connor's brother CMFEU boss Michael O'Connor failed to convince Clive to give them to the ALP I take it?...good news for the Libs then from an election point of view.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...l/news-story/f34d5bd5e29782a60e1e149cd795c594
ALP’s secret Palmer talks for seat preference deal

A member of the ALP executive close to Bill Shorten held secret meetings with Clive Palmer as recently as last week in an attempt to broker a preference deal between Labor and the Queensland billionaire, amid fears the United Australia Party could swing key seats back to the Coalition.
Revelations that key union figures were enlisted to engage Mr Palmer on behalf of the ALP came as the Opposition Leader yesterday traded blows with the mining magnate, who is on the verge of finalising a preference deal with the Liberal Party.
The Australian has confirmed from a source close to the meetings between the Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union and UAP that Michael O’Connor — the union’s national secretary and the brother of Labor’s workplace relations spokesman, Brendan O’Connor — flew to Brisbane on Wednesday last week to meet Mr Palmer along with another union official. Tanya Plibersek yesterday did not deny that Labor had been in preference negotiations with Mr Palmer. “I have no idea what’s happening with the preference negotiations,” Ms Plibersek said.
 

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What make me laugh is if he thinks they are just gaffes, he just accepts them, “oh it’s just another gaff, nothing to worry about, the voters won’t care”

Labor will win but seeing them have such a shit campaign and labor lovers squirming has made the election campaign a little enjoyable. But it’s concerning that these clowns will soon be running the country.
Squirming? Jesus you are seriously deluded.

Clowns? Well we have had a bunch of circus clowns running it for the past 6 years and what as I country do we have to show for it? **** all.

Has anyone actually seen anyone other than Morrison and that knob, Barnaby (probably pissed when he did the interview on the ABC or it sounded like it) on the campaign trail? Where is Josh, where is Christian, where is Mathias?

Suppose you also think that inflation at 0.00% for the quarter and probably another cut of interest rates coming shows the economy is in good shape?
 

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Someone needs to get the "gaffe" man Shorten some
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to put over his mouth in public.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/co...s/news-story/5e87cb73474f1c089bd2affa01e078f9

Master of distraction Bill Shorten creating distractions

Even during the 2016 election campaign when Labor wasn’t expected to win, Shorten could throw up a distraction or scare that unhinged the Coalition campaign. But the 2019 campaign is proving to be a different matter of distractions — Scott Morrison fends off Labor’s attempts to divert him from his singular message on the economy and tax as being part of the “Canberra bubble” while Shorten is again proving sloppy and ill-disciplined in answers that can’t just be dismissed as a throwaway lines.
At the beginning of the campaign, Shorten ran into unexpected difficulty over his climate change policy and how long it took to charge an electric car; then he had to admit the negative gearing policy was off the Labor website to be “updated”; then, most damaging of all, he declared Labor had no plans to change superannuation.
He had to front up, confess and “take it on the chin” that Labor actually had plans for $34 billion in superannuation changes. The Liberals pounced. Labor declared that the Easter weekend was a chance to “reset” the campaign and it was fair to think Shorten would learn from a couple of beginner’s mistakes.
But, again, Shorten has gifted Morrison an opportunity to say the Labor leader is not aware of his tax and economic policies, doesn’t grasp detail and can’t be trusted on numbers. Yesterday Shorten spent a fair bit of time — including quoting a six-month-old report in The Australian — to explain away an assurance he gave a “worker” on $250,000 that Labor would look at tax cuts for high-income earners.
The explanation was all about post-2023 — beyond two elections — when Labor would consider dropping the budget repair levy on high-income earners. Again, frontbencher Brendan O’Connor had to explain that Shorten was just being “respectful” while Shorten had to backtrack.
At the same time, Shorten, campaigning in Queensland, was caught over the Labor message on whether the Adani coalmine approval would be reviewed by an incoming Labor government. His Queensland candidates are saying different things from him and Labor’s national message continues to be conflicted.
After almost two weeks of campaigning, Shorten is still giving Morrison gifts as the campaign tightens and Labor, the favourite to win, faces tougher scrutiny.
 

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And what do Bicks and Elite have to say about this headline from the Daily Telegraph (Sydneys main paper) on Anzac Day?

Disgraceful but what would one expect from a Mordor paper.

Hope the ALP have a look into media laws should they win office.


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Yeh, we get it. The Mordor rag is at it again. Very few read it other than right wing nutters like yourself.

One party has an agenda focused on the future, the other has three word slogans and nothing more.
No actually Bill is at it again, gaff lies gaffs and more lies.

But hey as long as voters don’t read the Australian it doesn’t matter does it? Their honesty and competence is irrelevant, after all “it will be alright”
 

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Squirming? Jesus you are seriously deluded.

Clowns? Well we have had a bunch of circus clowns running it for the past 6 years and what as I country do we have to show for it? **** all.

Has anyone actually seen anyone other than Morrison and that knob, Barnaby (probably pissed when he did the interview on the ABC or it sounded like it) on the campaign trail? Where is Josh, where is Christian, where is Mathias?

Suppose you also think that inflation at 0.00% for the quarter and probably another cut of interest rates coming shows the economy is in good shape?
Yeah squirming, how else do you explain these pearlers:

Being pounded in the media for not announcing your costings is a good tactic

Followed by:

“Don’t worry about the costings, it will be alright”

Or are they gaffs ;)
 

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Yeh, we get it. The Mordor rag is at it again. Very few read it other than right wing nutters like yourself.

One party has an agenda focused on the future, the other has three word slogans and nothing more.
So what's the left's equivalent of right wing nutters because you sure as hell fit right in there like a hand in glove. Left Wing Extremists?
 

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It’s really funny watching people argue about politics. Each insisting they are right and the other is wrong. The most hilarious (or saddest?) thing is that the two party system is broken beyond repair and I think you guys seem to have missed that bit.
Yeah let's go with full blown anarchy that should work well.
 

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It is one of the reasons he has a low approval rating. It will not make a difference in my opinion as the ordinary voter knows what they think of Bill Shorten. And Preferred MP ratings mean nothing in relation to who people vote for - Keating had a higher PPM rating than Howard in 1996, Rudd had a higher PPM rating than Abbott in 2013.

Well if he is doing 60 hours a week and getting $250k for it that is still out of whack. He would be in the top 1% earners in Australia and should be happy with that.

We all make choices in our lives - whether it be having a McMansion, sending kids to private school, driving a Mercedes. Doesn't mean the government should be handing out tax breaks etc to those who actually don't need it. The government financial support is there for those who are less fortunate in our society.
I agree with that but everywhere else society is picking up the tab for people's personal choices. We chose to not have children but we're contributing to other people's child care and schooling. The government's financial support is absolutely not only there for the less fortunate in our society. Do you have the faintest idea?
 

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Another of Shorten's skeleton's rattling in the closet...

"There is strong evidence against this suggestion, the first being ROC executive director Chris Enright has said under oath he commenced a preliminary investigation on the day an article first appeared in The Australian about a $100,000 donation to GetUp made by Shorten."

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/co...n/news-story/0e7e8402898cb57c933bc316cacbd5ab

Drop diversions and come clean

Diversion tactics can be useful in politics. Few rate better than efforts by the Australian Workers Union to frustrate an investigation into large sums of its members’ money spent by Bill Shorten when he led the union.
Why is AWU action in the Federal Court such a brilliant diversion? Seemingly, because it deflects from the crux of the issue and seeks to delay any inquiry for as long as possible. Preferably, in this case, until after the election.
Immediately following police raids on AWU offices in Sydney and Melbourne in October 2017, the union’s lawyers cried foul and rushed to the court to block further investigation into whether or not Shorten — when he was the AWU’s leader — gained approval for donations totalling $230,000.
The AWU’s lawyers argued the entire investigation was “political”. They alleged then employment minister Michaelia Cash had “directed” the workplace regulator, the Registered Organisations Commission, to investigate the AWU over donations that were outside its legal reach anyway because they were ancient.
Luck and stupidity inside Cash’s office gifted the AWU’s lawyers added ammunition when it was revealed one ministerial staffer had tipped off some media organisations that police raids were about to occur.
No doubt the tipster felt a public airing of raids in progress could be politically damaging to Shorten, now Labor’s leader. But the leak did the government no favours because it fuelled claims Cash’s office might be in cahoots.
There is strong evidence against this suggestion, the first being ROC executive director Chris Enright has said under oath he commenced a preliminary investigation on the day an article first appeared in The Australian about a $100,000 donation to GetUp made by Shorten.
Enright did not need to wait for a referral from minister Cash because he could legally initiate an inquiry on the ROC’s own direction. In any case, Cash’s referral took days to arrive and did not direct anything: it left the matter up to the ROC’s consideration “in any way you consider appropriate”.
The issue for the ROC has been if AWU funds were properly approved under a rule requiring all unions to gain the authorisation of branch executive meetings before donating more than $1000.
Proper approval of union members’ money is the crux here, and arguments by AWU lawyers about investigations started outside time limits would seem irrelevant. Especially so when most ROC work involves alleged irregularities more than a decade old, and many royal commissions would get nowhere if restricted to recent events.
The AWU has gone out of its way to say there was nothing secret about Shorten’s funding, and that it was approved. There’s an easy way to prove it. Drop diversions and hand over documents.
 

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I agree with that but everywhere else society is picking up the tab for people's personal choices. We chose to not have children but we're contributing to other people's child care and schooling. The government's financial support is absolutely not only there for the less fortunate in our society. Do you have the faintest idea?
Yes I do have an idea. I also don't have children (my only regret in life) however children are the next tax paying generation to cover our schools, hospitals and pensions etc.

I should have made it clearer that if you are earning $250k really you have no reason to whinge with the What about me?
 

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Another of Shorten's skeleton's rattling in the closet...

"There is strong evidence against this suggestion, the first being ROC executive director Chris Enright has said under oath he commenced a preliminary investigation on the day an article first appeared in The Australian about a $100,000 donation to GetUp made by Shorten."

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/co...n/news-story/0e7e8402898cb57c933bc316cacbd5ab

Drop diversions and come clean
Ok we get it, you read The Australian. No-one reads it other than your type.

Please PM when you see a pro-Shorten front page on The Australian. Won't be holding my breath.
 

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Ok we get it, you read The Australian.

Please PM when you see a pro-Shorten front page on The Australian. Won't be holding my breath.
Not the Australian's fault Billy boy gives them so much fertile ground to keep ploughing...
 
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