Political Discussion part #2 - SA General Election 2018 and onwards!

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LOL, I'll take Peter Costello over some internet numpty's ramblings if that's OK with you Carmo
How can you be so sure I'm the numpty?

How's that interconnector, importing much lately? Why is the rest of the country installing renewables now, if there's such a poor business case?
 

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Pls expand on how they've done them then... and especially demonstrate to me that its not external factors that have done it. Thanks.
Ok I’ll draw you a picture.

It’s amazing, the economy is going well “it’s outside forces, nothing to do with the government”

The economy is going shit “the government sucks”
 

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Katy Gallagher gone. This should result in four other MPs exiting parliament - Labor's Susan Lamb, Justine Keay,and Josh Wilson, plus NXT's Rebekha Sharkie.

At least Gallagher's removal won't cause a by-election. She's a Senator, so her replacement will be decided via countback. She will almost certainly be replaced by the other Labor candidate, David Smith.

Expect Gallagher to stand for the newly created 3rd House of Representatives seat at the next election. She wasn't eligible at the time of the last election, she is now.

So much for Labor's vaunted system of checking the backgrounds of potential candidates. The implication is that potential candidates will have to lodge their renunciation documents long before an election is even called, possibly even years in advance.
 

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Bizarrely, it's still possible that the others may manage to escape.

Gallagher's case apparently hinges on the fact that she originally provided the UK with a copy of her birth certificate. She then had to provide them with the original, and this happened after the election. This glitch was enough for her to fail the "all reasonable steps" test.

We still don't know if the others are eligible, or ineligible, if they lodged the correct paperwork before the close of nominations.
 

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So much for Labor's vaunted system of checking the backgrounds of potential candidates. The implication is that potential candidates will have to lodge their renunciation documents long before an election is even called, possibly even years in advance.
And you've got nearly as much egg on your face as Bill Shorten and Mark Dreyfus SC with your 'blind faith' backing of "Labor's vaunted system of checking the backgrounds of potential candidates".....your Labor Party mates let you down badly this time. I was tempted to go back and quote the many times you alluded to Labor's "superior" background checks of it's candidates".....turns out it is was a complete and utter sham. Once again a clear reminder that Bill Shorten is Malcolm Turnbull's greatest electoral asset.
 
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And you've got nearly as much egg on your face as Bill Shorten and Mark Dreyfus SC with your 'blind faith' backing of "Labor's vaunted system of checking the backgrounds of potential candidates".....your Labor Party mates let you down badly this time. I was tempted to go back and quote the many times you alluded to Labor's "superior" background checks of it's candidates".....turns out it is was a complete and utter sham.
Who crosses out the typed Malcolm for a hand-written Malcolm? You do that for Dear Prime Minister, or Dear Sir.

That's John Howard bowling off-spin cringe.
 

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The leader of the opposition in the Senate, Penny Wong, said Labor would "respect the totality" of the High Court decision. Manager of opposition business Tony Burke said on Tuesday that if the High Court found Ms Gallagher had not taken reasonable steps, Labor would "obviously have to deal with that across the board". Sky News reported on Tuesday the three Labor MPs would resign if Ms Gallagher were ruled ineligible. That would set up byelections in the Queensland seat of Longman, the Western Australian seat of Fremantle and the Tasmanian seat of Braddon.
The Coalition would be hopeful of gaining the seat of Longman, which Ms Lamb won on a margin of just 0.8 per cent. The seat was previously held by Liberal frontbencher Wyatt Roy. Ms Sharkie said she was urgently seeking legal advice following Wednesday's decision and she believed her circumstances were “materially different” to Ms Gallagher’s, an indication she may refer her case to the High Court. Mr Porter, the country's chief law officer, said that was incorrect. "Her case is indistinguishable," he said. "The four cases are legally and in-principle indistinguishable from each other and from the case of Senator Gallagher."
 

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How can you be so sure I'm the numpty?

How's that interconnector, importing much lately? Why is the rest of the country installing renewables now, if there's such a poor business case?
Here you go.....take it up with Paul McArdle a recognised expert in the field. https://twitter.com/4paulmcardle

Links to his articles.
http://www.wattclarity.com.au/2018/...much-more-diversity-in-wind-harvest-patterns/

http://www.wattclarity.com.au/author/paul-mcardle/

And btw SA electricity price ytd in 2018 way out in front as the dearest in Australia at an average of $97.62

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity...Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#average-price-table
 
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And you've got nearly as much egg on your face as Bill Shorten and Mark Dreyfus SC with your 'blind faith' backing of "Labor's vaunted system of checking the backgrounds of potential candidates".....your Labor Party mates let you down badly this time. I was tempted to go back and quote the many times you alluded to Labor's "superior" background checks of it's candidates".....turns out it is was a complete and utter sham. Once again a clear reminder that Bill Shorten is Malcolm Turnbull's greatest electoral asset.
The difference is, as it always has been, that the ALP actually bothered to check - and sought legal opinions on the matter. It turns out that the HC judges disagreed with the lawyers the ALP consulted. It happens.
 

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The difference is, as it always has been, that the ALP actually bothered to check - and sought legal opinions on the matter. It turns out that the HC judges disagreed with the lawyers the ALP consulted. It happens.
Vader, take it from a professional (or failing that from the Banking Royal Commission). Much like expert witnesses, you will generally get the opinion you're shopping for when counsel knows it's just a PR exercise.
 

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Vader, take it from a professional (or failing that from the Banking Royal Commission). Much like expert witnesses, you will generally get the opinion you're shopping for when counsel knows it's just a PR exercise.
That may well be the case.

At the end of the day, they had a process which (unlike every other party) did actually check for possible dual citizenships. Their process called for dual citizens to renounce their dual citizenship before the candidate nominated for election. The HC have now determined that their process is/was inadequate. So be it.
 

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That may well be the case.

At the end of the day, they had a process which (unlike every other party) did actually check for possible dual citizenships. Their process called for dual citizens to renounce their dual citizenship before the candidate nominated for election. The HC have now determined that their process is/was inadequate. So be it.
You blokes took great delight when Markson was going after Barnaby Joyce I wonder if you share her view of Shorten's handling of this once it became blatantly clear there were multiple Labor MP's in question?....you know the Shorten "nothing to see here" charade. I'll say it again Bill Shorten is far and away Turnbull's best electoral asset.

 

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You blokes took great delight when Markson was going after Barnaby Joyce I wonder if you share her view of Shorten's handling of this once it became blatantly clear there were multiple Labor MP's in question?....you know the Shorten "nothing to see here" charade. I'll say it again Bill Shorten is far and away Turnbull's best electoral asset.

With the benefit of hindsight, Shorten was clearly wrong. I agree, Shorten is Turnbull's greatest electoral asset.

Shorten thought that the ALP's procedures were a shield against this, based on the legal opinions the ALP had received. His defence of Gallagher & co was based on that assumption. It's not an unreasonable position for him to take - they had lodged their renunciations, and the legal minds said that they were in the clear. If your lawyer says you're in the clear, it's not unreasonable for you to think that you're in the clear.

It now turns out that the HC disagrees with the lawyers who provided the ALP's legal opinions.
 

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With the benefit of hindsight, Shorten was clearly wrong. I agree, Shorten is Turnbull's greatest electoral asset.

Shorten thought that the ALP's procedures were a shield against this, based on the legal opinions the ALP had received. His defence of Gallagher & co was based on that assumption. It's not an unreasonable position for him to take - they had lodged their renunciations, and the legal minds said that they were in the clear. If your lawyer says you're in the clear, it's not unreasonable for you to think that you're in the clear.

It now turns out that the HC disagrees with the lawyers who provided the ALP's legal opinions.
Using the "got a legal opinion" as a shield to try and stall referring members to the HC was pretty flimsy though.

The proper course of action was clearly to refer yourself as soon as any issue arose which all non-ALP/Centre Alliance members managed to do.
 
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