Political Discussion part #2 - SA General Election 2018 and onwards!

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Sure you aren’t.

You know how you are having a crack at Marshall? Well he’s been in for 6 weeks, you must tire easily.
I will give him credit if/when he earns it. He's not off to a good start so far. Getting screwed on infrastructure spending is no way to cover yourself in glory.
 

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Have you seen the budget? They took a massive dump on our heads and Marshall said thankyou for the hat. Say what you like about Jay. At least he wasn't meek.



I like how you post Murdoch owned drivel and think it's informative. Why are you so desperate to see the most useless government we've ever had get re-elected?

Edit: Forgot I was quoting Bicks. Of course a gullible stooge like you would be a Liberal voter.
GAGF two can play your insult game.
 

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Sure you aren’t.

You know how you are having a crack at Marshall? Well he’s been in for 6 weeks, you must tire easily.
Perhaps Marshall and Turnbull should do like the recently elected WA Labor Leader Mark McGowan's just done with his 2nd budget in 8 months, how do you reckon that would go down with Bwooce and his lefty mates?? They'd probably be saying it was a much needed austerity move.....through gritted teeth. Or more likely blame the Libs.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-10/wa-budget-2018-handed-down/9746000

WA budget 2018: Households cop big fee hikes to get finances back on track
 

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Now Anne Aly is under the citizenship microscope it seems, this has become farcical, if Turnbull and Shorten were fair dinkum they would insist ALL Federal MP's in both houses be fully tested by an independent party that both major parties were comfortable with, both sides are simply shitting on the Australian voters.

 

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Now Anne Aly is under the citizenship microscope it seems, this has become farcical, if Turnbull and Shorten were fair dinkum they would insist ALL Federal MP's in both houses be fully tested by an independent party that both major parties were comfortable with, both sides are simply shitting on the Australian voters.

Agreed. Maybe the AEC can help, by coming up with a process for vetting candidates before accepting their nominations? It's ridiculous that there are still a whole bunch of politicians there who still have question marks hanging over their heads, who still haven't been referred to the HC.
 

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He's half right. He did act according to the legal advice he was given. Section 44 doesn't need to be reviewed. I don't want anyone who has even the perception of loyalty to another country making laws that affect Australians.
Claiming "legal advice" is such a crock of shit. I can say that I've got legal advice contradicting his legal advice. It's pure bullshit, it's just spin and the best get out statement that satisfies the idiotic masses.
 

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Claiming "legal advice" is such a crock of shit. I can say that I've got legal advice contradicting his legal advice. It's pure bullshit, it's just spin and the best get out statement that satisfies the idiotic masses.
It's not a crock of shit, it's not bullshit, it's not spin, and it's not an attempt to satisfy "the idiotic masses".

The application of Section 44 has always been murky. In 1992, in Sykes vs Cleary, the High Court introduced the concept of "all reasonable steps" test. However, they didn't actually bother to define what "all reasonable steps" actually meant.

Here's a quote from that finding:
But, there is no reason why s. 44(i) should be read as if it were intended to give unqualified effect to that rule of international law. To do so might well result in the disqualification of Australian citizens on whom there was imposed involuntarily by operation of foreign law a continuing foreign nationality, notwithstanding that they had taken reasonable steps to renounce that foreign nationality. It would be wrong to interpret the constitutional provision in such a way as to disbar an Australian citizen who had taken all reasonable steps to divest himself or herself of any conflicting allegiance. It has been said [35] that the provision was designed to ensure: "that members of Parliament did not have a split allegiance and were not, as far as possible, subject to any improper influence from foreign governments." What is more, s. 44(i) finds its place in a Constitution which was enacted at a time, like the present, when a high proportion of Australians, though born overseas, had adopted this country as their home. In that setting, it could scarcely have been intended to disqualify an Australian citizen for election to Parliament on account of his or her continuing to possess a foreign nationality, notwithstanding that he or she had taken reasonable steps to renounce that nationality. In this respect it is significant that s. 42 of the Constitution requires a member of Parliament to take an oath or affirmation of allegiance in the form set out in the schedule to the Constitution.

What amounts to the taking of reasonable steps to renounce foreign nationality must depend upon the circumstances of the particular case. What is reasonable will turn on the situation of the individual, the requirements of the foreign law and the extent of the connexion between the individual and the foreign State of which he or she is alleged to be a subject or citizen. And it is relevant to bear in mind that a person who has participated in an Australian naturalization ceremony in which he or she has expressly renounced his or her foreign allegiance may well believe that, by becoming an Australian citizen, he or she has effectively renounced any foreign nationality.
http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showbyHandle/1/8812

The ALP's process required potential candidates to identify any possible dual citizenships, and to lodge the required renunciation paperwork before they could nominate for election. The legal advice that the ALP received indicated that this process would satisfy the "all reasonable steps" requirement.

26 years on, we have a completely different High Court membership, and the current set of HC judges have decided that the ALP's process does not satisfy "all reasonable steps". They still haven't defined what "all reasonable steps" actually means - just that Gallagher didn't meet this standard, because she didn't allow sufficient time, in case she needed to provide further information before the renunciation could take effect. The HC still hasn't defined how much time the candidates need to allow, they've just said that Gallagher didn't allow enough. Presumably, candidates will now have to renounce well before the election writs are issue.

That's not bullshit, it's not spin, and it's not an attempt to "satisfy the idiotic masses". They genuinely attempted to meet the requirements of S44 (unlike the Odd Notion idiot and the Coalition members). They went through the procedure, and had legal advice that this was sufficient. The HC disagreed.
 

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It's not a crock of shit, it's not bullshit, it's not spin, and it's not an attempt to satisfy "the idiotic masses".

The application of Section 44 has always been murky. In 1992, in Sykes vs Cleary, the High Court introduced the concept of "all reasonable steps" test. However, they didn't actually bother to define what "all reasonable steps" actually meant.

Here's a quote from that finding:

http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/showbyHandle/1/8812

The ALP's process required potential candidates to identify any possible dual citizenships, and to lodge the required renunciation paperwork before they could nominate for election. The legal advice that the ALP received indicated that this process would satisfy the "all reasonable steps" requirement.

26 years on, we have a completely different High Court membership, and the current set of HC judges have decided that the ALP's process does not satisfy "all reasonable steps". They still haven't defined what "all reasonable steps" actually means - just that Gallagher didn't meet this standard, because she didn't allow sufficient time, in case she needed to provide further information before the renunciation could take effect. The HC still hasn't defined how much time the candidates need to allow, they've just said that Gallagher didn't allow enough. Presumably, candidates will now have to renounce well before the election writs are issue.

That's not bullshit, it's not spin, and it's not an attempt to "satisfy the idiotic masses". They genuinely attempted to meet the requirements of S44 (unlike the Odd Notion idiot and the Coalition members). They went through the procedure, and had legal advice that this was sufficient. The HC disagreed.
It's a crock of shit.
 

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It's a crock of shit.
I take it you're a rusted on Coalition voter?

Shorten clearly has massive egg all over his face. That "rolled gold" comment is going to haunt him for a long time. However, he had good reason to believe that what he was saying was the truth, based on the legal advice that the ALP had obtained. That's not "a crock of shit".
 

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I take it you're a rusted on Coalition voter?

Shorten clearly has massive egg all over his face. That "rolled gold" comment is going to haunt him for a long time. However, he had good reason to believe that what he was saying was the truth, based on the legal advice that the ALP had obtained. That's not "a crock of shit".
As most would take you and Bruce as a rusted on Labor voters.....and fyi I WAS very close to a rusted on Coalition voter until the day the Libs knifed an elected Prime Minister.....NO More am I a rusted on Coalition voter.

But it IS a crock of shit with Shorten and Labor's actions through all this whether you believe it or not, and Turnbull and the Libs aren't much better in that regard.
 

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As most would take you and Bruce as a rusted on Labor voters.....and fyi I WAS very close to a rusted on Coalition voter until the day the Libs knifed an elected Prime Minister.....NO More am I a rusted on Coalition voter.
I'm not rusted on Labor. I'm right of Labor, left of the Libs. Smack bang in the centre. Not a fan of Bill Shorten at all.
 

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Given that 95% of the population is politically to the left of you, it's fair to say that you don't have a really good understanding of where the centre lies.
I'll give it to you you're in a class of your own when it comes to taking the piss....you a centrist hohohohoho

The difference between lefties like you and Elite Crow and I....we freely admit our Political views are on the Conservative side whilst you and other lefties are no different with your leftist views but just don't want to admit it.
 

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