Political Discussion part #2 - SA General Election 2018 and onwards!

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LOL! Hissy fit much! Didn't like having your data shoved back in your face mate?
And you don't get it, your graphs mean diddly squat to the SA energy consumer when they're paying the indisputable dearest energy prices in the nation.
 

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And you don't get it, your graphs mean diddly squat to the SA energy consumer when they're paying the indisputable dearest energy prices in the nation.
hahaha! More hissy fitting! This is classic.

My graphs, well your data (its not a graph actually), show that renewables have been better for SA than fossil fuels. Even though our prices are high, they'd have been higher under fossil fuels mate. That's how it was in the past. Your own data shows you this. Everything you've been bleating on about would have it worse for us.

And you have the gall to tell me I dont get it.

You're a naive murdoch media manipulation. What you say is exactly what they want to happen. People with no ability to question anything mindlessly trotting out tired liberal narratives. If you cared about the people and the poor living conditions they have to endure, then the last thing you should be doing is mindlessly being an echo troll promoting the lib think tank rhetoric.
 

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hahaha! More hissy fitting! This is classic.

My graphs, well your data (its not a graph actually), show that renewables have been better for SA than fossil fuels. Even though our prices are high, they'd have been higher under fossil fuels mate. That's how it was in the past. Your own data shows you this. Everything you've been bleating on about would have it worse for us.

And you have the gall to tell me I dont get it.

You're a naive murdoch media manipulation. What you say is exactly what they want to happen. People with no ability to question anything mindlessly trotting out tired liberal narratives. If you cared about the people and the poor living conditions they have to endure, then the last thing you should be doing is mindlessly being an echo troll promoting the lib think tank rhetoric.
WTF has Murdoch got to do with the ridiculously high prices consumers pay for power in SA, in case you missed it in your sheltered workshop the ALP were in power in SA for 16 long years and over saw every thing that happened in the energy market ....You are flat out delusional. I'll make it simple for you neither the Liberals or Murdoch had sweet **** all to do with the cost of power in SA. Nil, Nix, Nada.
 

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Yer, I'd have to PM you my name, or give a link to it. On reflection though, I doubt you'd take anything away from it. All it will say is a heap of mining jobs. To the average person mining isn't exactly synonymous with data, but mining, or more accurately, the processing /refining and manufacturing side was big data before big data was a thing.

I guess I'll have to show off my data prowess in here.
Gina?
 

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Whilst I am here debunking Bicks tripe, might as well put this one in.....

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Whenever Bicks goes on about the interconnector, pls refer him to this load duration curve diagram, which shows that SA exports more than it imports via the interconnectors. This should have him leave us in peace about it for the forthcoming summer.
 

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Whilst I am here debunking Bicks tripe, might as well put this one in.....

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Whenever Bicks goes on about the interconnector, pls refer him to this load duration curve diagram, which shows that SA exports more than it imports via the interconnectors. This should have him leave us in peace about it for the forthcoming summer.
Nah don’t be silly. You’ll get the name calling next - oh wait that’s already happening :D

Mind you, it’s been awhile since I’ve been tagged in here beside’s EC tagging me in posts to bait a response, yet they don’t care about my opinions. Must be a sad, lonely life if they’re that much of a narcissist :D
 

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WTF has Murdoch got to do with the ridiculously high prices consumers pay for power in SA, in case you missed it in your sheltered workshop the ALP were in power in SA for 16 long years and over saw every thing that happened in the energy market ....You are flat out delusional. I'll make it simple for you neither the Liberals or Murdoch had sweet **** all to do with the cost of power in SA. Nil, Nix, Nada.
Bicks said the bold stuff quoted above.

But actually Carmo said
"If you cared about the people and the poor living conditions they have to endure".

So I'll explain it like youre five. The liberals and murdoch and the policies they support have had a lot to do with the costs of living and the reduced wages and welfare the lower classes in Australia have had to endure. I don't know if you realise this, but there are things other than power costs that affect people. Or are you going to tell me the conservative / neolib agenda has benefitted the lower classes? I don't think even you'd be that silly. I don't think you care about people and the costs they have to endure, I think you just care about winning an argument, that's why you only focus on one narrow part and are blind to all the other negative aspects to the ideology you support.

Secondly, the liberals didn't have anything to do with the power costs in SA you say? Not a thing? Not even 1%? Because the change to the deregulated energy market happened in 2004, under howard, what party is he from again? SA was probably better off with a public seller. Who privatised it again? Oh that's right, Olsen Libs wasn't it, in 1999. There is also the gas market stuff up, which has been a big contributor, but both Libs and Lab share that one equally.

Also, I will refer you again, TO YOUR OWN DATA, that shows during the 16 long years of Labor, as you put it, SA's energy costs in comparison to other states, with the inclusion of renewables WAS LESS THAN pre renewables. That's even with the gas price rises, the poor competition of the markets and the gold plating of poles and wires.

I think sir, you are mostly trolling on this stuff now. Any semblance of argument you have, or openmindedness has been ditched in favour of robotically defending a position.
 

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Whilst I am here debunking Bicks tripe, might as well put this one in.....

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Whenever Bicks goes on about the interconnector, pls refer him to this load duration curve diagram, which shows that SA exports more than it imports via the interconnectors. This should have him leave us in peace about it for the forthcoming summer.
Get back to me when one of your graphs can show that SA doesn't have the dearest retail price for electricity in Mainland Australia....until then none of your graphs mean diddly squat. The main reason SA has the dearest electricity in Australia is down to the fact that the more expensive gas makes up for the regular shortfall when wind and solar cannot meet SA demand which is most of the time....other states don't have that reliance on gas as the cheaper coal is their main base load source.

Call all the lefty mates in you like , none of what you or they say can dispute the fact that SA has the dearest retail price for electricity.....end of story
 

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Good ol lib govt, trying to derail climate change talks to look after coal because, you know, climate change is imaginary and all that.....

https://thinkprogress.org/conflicts-of-interests-un-climate-talks-2018-d0cf3a9d1995/

A coalition of developing nations in Africa and Latin America had hoped to draw attention to the influence that the fossil fuel industry maintains over the climate negotiation process with a formal acknowledgement of conflicts of interest at the conclusion of the talks in Bonn this week. But developed nations — led largely by the United States — succeeded in preventing such a formal acknowledgement from being included in the meeting’s final notes.


Conflicts of interest within the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCC) — the international treaty that dictates the UN’s annual climate conferences — aren’t a new phenomenon. In 2015, companies like Engie — a utility company that gets more than 70 percent of its energy output from fossil fuels — were financial sponsors of the Paris climate talks. But this year, developing nations — alongside environmental groups — have been working to make eliminating conflicts of interest a central part of the climate negotiations moving forward, much to the chagrin of countries like the United States and Australia.
 

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Get back to me when one of your graphs can show that SA doesn't have the dearest retail price for electricity in Mainland Australia....until then none of your graphs mean diddly squat. The main reason SA has the dearest electricity in Australia is down to the fact that the more expensive gas makes up for the regular shortfall when wind and solar cannot meet SA demand which is most of the time....other states don't have that reliance on gas as the cheaper coal is their main base load source.

Call all the lefty mates in you like , none of what you or they say can dispute the fact that SA has the dearest retail price for electricity.....end of story
hiss hiss lol.
 

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Constitutional experts have warned that the fallout from parliament’s citizenship crisis isn’t over, amid fresh questions over the status of two Labor MPs — Emma Husar and Emma McBride. Parliament’s citizenship register shows both MPs sought to renounce foreign citizenship, but no evidence is provided that their applications were received or acted upon. Constitutional lawyer George Williams predicted “chaos” at the next election, especially if the result was close, as candidates and political parties challenged opponents on the basis of alleged dual citizenship. The major political parties have ramped-up their vetting of candidates in the wake of the citizenship crisis, which this week claimed a further five MPs. Particular scrutiny will fall on current MPs whose citizenship register declarations appear incomplete. Professor Williams, the dean of law at the University of NSW, said there would be “great scope for litigation and mischief-making” under section 44 of the Constitution, with election results challenged on the grounds of alleged dual citizenship. “We are talking about large numbers of people, many of whom will not have the capacity to do any vetting,” he said. “A lot of sloppiness is going to be involved, and I do not have any doubt that there will be large numbers of candidates at the next election who are ineligible to run.” Ms Husar, the member for the marginal Western Sydney seat of Lindsay, sent a letter to the Polish consul-general on May 24, 2016, acknowledging she may have acquired Polish citizenship through her paternal grandfather. In the letter, sent 16 days before the close of nominations for the 2016 election, she renounces “all allegiance, obedience or adherence to Poland, and renounce Polish citizenship”. However, there is no evidence provided from the Polish government acknowledging receipt of the letter, or confirmation of the renunciation of her citizenship. Ms McBride, the member for the marginal NSW seat of Dobell, posted a signed “Declaration of Alienage” form renouncing her Irish citizenship, dated August 9, 2013 — days before the close of nominations for the 2013 election.
 
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Yet Shorten was so conclusive there was no one in the Labor party who was a dual citizen.

The parties who stuffed up should pay for the by elections.

Shorten should resign as he no interest in telling us the truth.
Yep. Same as mid-term retirements. You run for office, you commit to the full term. You want to walk away? A by-election costs around $500k. You can afford it.
 

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Yet Shorten was so conclusive there was no one in the Labor party who was a dual citizen.

The parties who stuffed up should pay for the by elections.

Shorten should resign as he no interest in telling us the truth.
Poor old Bill wanted so desperately to show up everyone else he went too conclusive. And don't throw the lawyers under the bus by saying they told you you were okay. You should have said "that's the advice we've been given", not "you won't find any of our MPs are dual citizens."
 
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Poor old Bill wanted so desperately to show up everyone else he went too conclusive. And don't throw the lawyers under the bus by saying they told you you were okay. You should have said "that's the advice we've been given", not "you won't find any of our MPs are dual citizens."
Yes, he went with total conviction to attack the Government, knowing full well he couldn't really be sure.

Just so untrustworthy.
 

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For the Lefties out there that watch the ABC, does Paul Barry do anything else on the ABC? Surely he’s not paid $200k for his 15 mins on Media Watch?
And did you know Media Watch also has 8 FT staff??
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...t/news-story/f52f603af46a5ffb06549edf629b0bfc
This is a taxpayer-funded organisation that pays Media Watch host Paul Barry about $200,000 a year to present a 15-minute television program produced with eight other full-time staff — indulgence almost beyond belief. If they animated the program, shooting 25 modelled still frames for every second of airtime, they still would have a slow working week with time to slip off for a long lunch or May Day march.

Yet in response to this funding pause ABC news director Gaven Morris claimed there is “no more fat to cut at the ABC” as he overstated the cuts by $43 million.
 

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Yet Shorten was so conclusive there was no one in the Labor party who was a dual citizen.

The parties who stuffed up should pay for the by elections.

Shorten should resign as he no interest in telling us the truth.
Old Billy Shortpants is the Libs gift that keeps giving with his preferred Prime Minister numbers plummeting and Turnbull's on the rise after Billy's week from hell.

 
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Oh it couldn't be due to the fact of some hard truths being found out would it? Where else can a programme be aired that criticises it's own, which it has done on several occasions. Certainly not the mainstream media.

And you of all people have used an ABC article/episode to help your cause(s).
Just a tad hypocritical there.
Yeah right, I'm sure Paul Barry is very objective whilst holding 69,556 shares in left wing media Organisation Crikey....can't say I've ever heard or seen that disclosed in the credits. Perhaps you can point me to where Media Watch has discredited a Crikey article under Paul Barry's tenure?
 
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