Political Discussion

[Ramify]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/us/politics/obama-syria-chemical-weapons.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2



And this.....
Four Pinocchios

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cal-weapons-stockpile/?utm_term=.a8cefd1c7d4e

Did you mean to quote me in this post Bicks?

I dont know what to tell you.Im still wondering why they would package up Sarin and Chlorine together. Surely one agent is more than overkill when taking out a village full of innocent children.

Hey, I thought we werent trusting of these two News outlets due to their anti-Trump propaganda? Am I thinking of the wrong ones?

 

[Bicks]

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/worl...ys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20170412_TND

 

[Bicks]

The hypocrisy of the lefty Social Justice Warriors....

It's all good in their eyes to go after Coopers Brewery and tell everyone to boycott their products over a very tame video on Marriage equality but now they've all got their undies in a twist over Pauline Hanson for suggesting people boycott Cadbury chocolate over their Halal certified Easter eggs!

 

[DD#23]

The hypocrisy of the lefty Social Justice Warriors....

It's all good in their eyes to go after Coopers Brewery and tell everyone to boycott their products over a very tame video on Marriage equality but now they've all got their undies in a twist over Pauline Hanson for suggesting people boycott Cadbury chocolate over their Halal certified Easter eggs!

its not hypocrisy Bicks, boycotts have nothing to do with its about dividing everything up into oppressed and oppressors, fight for the minorities.

the foundations of their system is flawed, but you'll do a better job of criticising it if you understand it better and can make more accurate accusations.

 

[1970crow]

not condoning the use of chemical weapons you peanut, just not accepting the story at face value - it makes no sense for Assad to use chemical weapons instead of the bombs they have been for years, especially given the likelihood that it would prompt this sort of response.

So the out here is that the bloke who bombs his own people wouldn't do this, he'd just keep bombing them wouldn't he? Basically no one would ever use chemical weapons because if you're not prepared to bomb your people you wouldn't just start with the chems and if you already are bombing them you'd get a pass because surely you wouldn't be stupid enough to escalate when you're already getting away with the bombs.

Makes pretty good sense really.

 

[DD#23]

So the out here is that the bloke who bombs his own people wouldn't do this, he'd just keep bombing them wouldn't he? Basically no one would ever use chemical weapons because if you're not prepared to bomb your people you wouldn't just start with the chems and if you already are bombing them you'd get a pass because surely you wouldn't be stupid enough to escalate when you're already getting away with the bombs.

Makes pretty good sense really.

I think its a reasonable argument. The other possibility is the maniacal Dictator oversteps the mark, but I feel like with the Russian involvement and the nature of the whole situation it would be too well organised to allow that.

but if you assume they're not so stupid that they wouldn't have realised this, you're left with some pretty unsavoury possibilities. Perhaps Syria (or in other words Russia) want to escalate the conflict with the US? Perhaps the US themselves were involved in the attack (they've been supplying rebels all along after all) to give them an excuse to escalate the conflict? Perhaps Trump and Putin hatched the plan together to fake some animosity between each other to take the heat off all the Russian ties stories?

they might sound a bit crackpot, but since WWII the US has proven that the lengths they'll go to to manipulate other countries have no bounds.

 

[DD#23]

its a shame I only just discovered this, it would have been more relevant a few weeks ago when people were talking about Bill Leak - still relevant anyway I think, from Charlie Hebdo:

 

[Bicks]

 

[DD#23]

this is a long, but quality article on Trump's missile strike

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07...edia-and-bipartisan-praise-for-bombing-syria/

IN EVERY TYPE of government, nothing unites people behind the leader more quickly, reflexively or reliably than war. Donald Trump now sees how true that is, as the same establishment leaders in U.S. politics and media who have spent months denouncing him as a mentally unstable and inept authoritarian and unprecedented threat to democracy are standing and applauding him as he launches bombs at Syrian government targets.

I don't think there was ever much doubt that it was sarin

 

[Ramify]

Meh, just the usual pre-preemptive strike translation and rhetoric.
Isreal has been holding the world hostage for decades with the Sampson option.
Kinda getting old all this.
Expect another terrorism exercise in the next couple of weeks.
Then wait a month or two lil'Kim will fire off another rocket.

Posted a couple of months back in reply to somehing Bicks put up about Hezbollah.
Not far off if you consider America and Israel one nation like I do. They consider Hezbollah and Syria to be one in the same.
This pattern has evolved to a point where you can nearly set your watch to it.

I'll admit, I didn't expect Trump would need to go full Wartard so early and with such ferocity.

 

[Elite Crow]

 

[Bicks]

Haha the Greens and their luvvies caught out big time with their coal dust claims in Queensland....Zero credibility, the true vendors of "fake news"...
Coal, hard facts: green group claims blown away like dust

Former mayor and current councillor Mike Brunker examines the magnetite yesterday. Picture: Cameron Laird

Green groups opposed to the $16.5 billion Adani coalmine have been accused of propagating “fake news” after circulating images of “coal dust” on beaches near the Abbot Point coal terminal that was revealed to be black mineral sand called magnetite. Aerial images depicting black streaks on Dingo Beach near the coal terminal were released by the Australian Conservation Foundation and the Australian Marine Conservation Society and splashed across the front page of The Sydney Morning Herald on Thursday. The picture ran under the heading “black tide” and environmental groups used the photograph to rail against “Adani’s coal spill”. They said the beach appeared to be “scattered with lumps of coal” that threatened a turtle nesting ground and the nearby habitat of the Australian Painted Snipe. A spokeswoman for the Australian Marine Conservation Society said it was unable to verify the presence of coal on the beach before releasing the images. Mike Brunker — a former mayor and current Whitsunday councillor who is tipped to win ALP preselection for the new north Queensland state seat of McMaster — said yesterday there was no coal in the wetlands. He said the black deposits on the beach were magnetite and naturally occurring. He added that locals distrusted the claims made by the ACF and AMCS. “I understand they are on the opposing side,” Mr Brunker said. “They want to save the planet but it’s the extremes they go to prove a point. They are losing credibility. “It’s naturally there. You can see the formation of the sand. It’s a naturally occurring thing. If you get a magnet on it, the magnet picks it up.”

 

[Bicks]

 

[kirky]

Just got to love Abbott about people not trusting politicians. Ever thought of looking in the mirror, Tony?

Tony, you have no right to take the high moral ground. Remember September 2013, Tony? Funny stuff.

 

[DD#23]

found this very interesting, and relevant given the state of the world and ANZAC day being around the corner

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Can Tony Abbott please * off?

He had his chance. The entire nation was embarrassed by him. Time to slink away into the background. Way, way back.

 

[Combathorse]

And whilst not wanting to get too off topic, I'm not totally convinced that anyone portrayed by the US as a maniac is anything of the sort. Now just where abouts was Saddam Hussein hiding all those weapons of mass destruction?

Pure unadulterated propaganda.

If the North Koreans can't even run a successful missile test launch what possible threat are they to anyone, especially the Americans who spend billions on "defence" annually and are the most powerful military in the world by so far it isn't funny? The USA are the ones with the lunatic in charge, with all of the power, and just itching to use it.

Sure, I mean on one hand we are talking about a regime which runs slave camps, which continually threatens nuclear war with their peaceful neighbour and continues to develop the means to do that, which assassinated someone with VX nerve agent recently in an airport and on top of all that, has starved to death millions of it's own people. But on the other hand you have Trump, who is obviously a very flawed individual but trying to spin this as if he (and his generals, from whom he takes his foreign policy advice) as the real bad guys here is just honestly unbelievable.

Do you think since the North hasn't acquire the means to deliver a warhead yet that they should just be allowed to continue until they do? Considering their threats, the actions they have taken upon there own citizens? This has been coming to a head since the 60's, the only difference now is China have finally given up on protecting the Kims as it is no longer sustainable.

 

[DD#23]

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Kim Jong Un must go to Robbie's Chop Shop. Has killer fade.

 

[1970crow]

Far out, those medals are an absurdity. Any one of those guys sneezes out of turn and they'd be the next to be sentenced to death via an anti-aircraft round.

 

[Rave Slave]

Watch for this whole nuclear thing to fizzle out. Watching from afar it screams of a propaganda piece designed to deflect from the FBI's investigation into Russian ties/Trump and to fortify his presence in the Whitehouse.

*The Syria sarin attacks made absolutely no sense. Why Assad would conduct chemical warfare in a region he was largely in complete control of made zero sense from a strategic standpoint.

*Suddenly America is all 'super angry' at Russia for not dealing with the chemical threat beforehand. America promises swift retaliation and proceeds to bomb meaningless infrastructure that has approximately zero impact on Syria's regime or Russia

*People start asking questions and picking holes in the Sarin gas attack and suddenly out of nowhere MOAB is dropped on Afghanistan

*North Korea's antics also suddenly become unacceptable even though many observers on the ground claim that in terms of conflict in the region it's actually as calm as it has been in the last decade and what's actually changed is the media and their portrayal of North Korea

*China rushes troops to the border of North Korea in a public display and America blusters that 'if they don't do something we will'

*Watch all this world turmoil to gear up to the brink of warfare before, in a Herculean effort from glorious leader Drumpf; Russia, China and the US will sit down in a last ditch effort to return 'peace' to the world

*Hostilities subside, media turns its attention away from North Korea and back onto 'the terrorists' and supreme leader Donald is lauded for his efforts to bring peace. Meanwhile Russia continues laughing at how they've managed to completely destabilise the US and control world politics

 

[Ramify]

Watch for this whole nuclear thing to fizzle out. Watching from afar it screams of a propaganda piece designed to deflect from the FBI's investigation into Russian ties/Trump and to fortify his presence in the Whitehouse.

*The Syria sarin attacks made absolutely no sense. Why Assad would conduct chemical warfare in a region he was largely in complete control of made zero sense from a strategic standpoint.

*Suddenly America is all 'super angry' at Russia for not dealing with the chemical threat beforehand. America promises swift retaliation and proceeds to bomb meaningless infrastructure that has approximately zero impact on Syria's regime or Russia

*People start asking questions and picking holes in the Sarin gas attack and suddenly out of nowhere MOAB is dropped on Afghanistan

*North Korea's antics also suddenly become unacceptable even though many observers on the ground claim that in terms of conflict in the region it's actually as calm as it has been in the last decade and what's actually changed is the media and their portrayal of North Korea

*China rushes troops to the border of North Korea in a public display and America blusters that 'if they don't do something we will'

*Watch all this world turmoil to gear up to the brink of warfare before, in a last ditch Herculean effort from glorious leader Drumpf; Russia, China and the US will sit down in a last ditch effort to return 'peace' to the world

*Hostilities subside, media turns its attention away from North Korea and back onto 'the terrorists' and supreme leader Donald is lauded for his efforts to bring peace. Meanwhile Russia continues laughing at how they've managed to completely destabilise the US and control world politics

Tillerson is back on to Iran now, because you know, Terrorism sponsors and all that.
I wish they would pick their Despotic Regime of the week and stick to it for at least the week before moving on to their next target.

 

[feenix67]

So who reckons the US and Russia are in cahoots to drum up a bit of war activity? Seems odd that Syria would decide to gas its citizens for the first time in 4 years, just a couple of months after the Donald was elected in a haze of Russian hacking rhetoric. And now he's taunting DPRK.

I don't buy anything at face value anymore. Dropping a MOAB randomly on a tunnel in the desert, at an astronomical cost (those babies don't come cheap), having a pretend hissy fit with Putin over Syria, sending/not really sending the US fleet to North Korea to fight their plastic bomb models. It feels like we're all being conditioned for something.

When you put a shonky businessman in charge of the White House and team him up with a shrewd leader of a country with a broken economy, bad things happen.

 

[DD#23]

When you put a shonky businessman in charge of the White House and team him up with a shrewd leader of a country with a broken economy, bad things happen.

well that's apparently why the Russian's are supporting Syria, to block a competing gas pipeline from the lower middle eastern countries. This should give you an idea as to why that's important to them:

the Saudi's have already been flooding the market with oil to try and destroy the value of the Ruble as well - some 60-odd percent of Russian exports are oil and gas, so its no wonder they're moving to protect that interest.

don't forget this bit either:

Why is oil priced in US dollars?

To sustain demand for the USD, Washington required a plan in which the gold should be replaced with some other commodity. This plan culminated with the concept of the petrodollar.

A petrodollar can be defined as the US dollar earned from the sale of oil.

The petrodollar system is highly complex and comprises many portions of different levels.

It all started as follows: the United States, represented by the US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, had a series of meetings with the Saudi royal family in 1974 and reached a powerful agreement. It stated that the US would buy Saudi Arabia’s oil and would provide military aid and equipment. In exchange, the US required that:

• The Saudis agree to price all of their oil sales exclusively in USD
• The Saudis would be open to investing their surplus oil proceeds in US debt securities

Naturally, this deal surprised the Arabs as it was quite attractive – the only thing they had to do was to refuse other foreign currencies and sell their oil for dollars.

As the US expected, more oil producing countries wanted in on this system and by 1975, all of the OPEC nations had agreed to price their oil in dollars and to hold their surplus oil proceeds in US government debt securities in exchange for generous offers by the US.

 

[Ramify]

So who reckons the US and Russia are in cahoots to drum up a bit of war activity? Seems odd that Syria would decide to gas its citizens for the first time in 4 years, just a couple of months after the Donald was elected in a haze of Russian hacking rhetoric. And now he's taunting DPRK.

I don't buy anything at face value anymore. Dropping a MOAB randomly on a tunnel in the desert, at an astronomical cost (those babies don't come cheap), having a pretend hissy fit with Putin over Syria, sending/not really sending the US fleet to North Korea to fight their plastic bomb models. It feels like we're all being conditioned for something.

When you put a shonky businessman in charge of the White House and team him up with a shrewd leader of a country with a broken economy, bad things happen.

Maybe using thus to his advantage but these wheels where set in motion long before Trump even considered running for office,and I doubt he has much say in the matter either way.
Im dead certain that Hillary would have made even larger ripples should she have been elected.

Im disappointed that he seems to have capitulated so early and so easily considering his preelection grandstanding.