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Did you miss the 2 by elections caused by 2 coalition members stepping down.

They’ve done their bit. It’s now the ALPs turn. Why should the coalition put anyone else up until the others have caught up?
You've missed the point completely. It's got nothing to do with "turns" or "catching up". That's just a really, really, stupid argument.

If there are any dual citizens then they need to be booted out, whether they belong to Labor or the Coalition. If there is any doubt at all about any candidates, then the HC (sitting as the Court of Disputed Returns) is the only organisation qualified to make the determination - not Bill Shorten, and not Malcolm Turnbull (who has already been proven wrong repeatedly when predicting HC outcomes).

The fact is that there are 2 coalition members (Julia King & Alex Hawke) who have dark clouds hanging over their heads, and there is no justifiable reason why they should not be referred to the High Court.

The fates of the ALP candidates will all be determined by the Katy Gallagher test case. It could be that all 4 of them will be disqualified, or none of them. Gallagher has already been referred to the HC, and there's no point in referring the other members as their cases are functionally identical. All 4 lodged the (correct) paperwork for renouncing their dual citizenships between the issuing of the election writs and the closing of nominations. All 4 received the official notification that their renunciations had been processed after the election. What's the point in paying 4 sets of lawyers, when the same decision will inevitably be reached in all 4 cases? Surely that would just be a huge waste of taxpayers' money? Let the HC decide one test case (Katy Gallagher), and the others will automatically know their fates as soon as the HC makes its determination.

The NXT member (Sharkie) is also subject to the same circumstances as the ALP group, so her fate will also be determined by the Gallagher precedent.

Turnbull's refusal to refer King & Hawke is down to political gamesmanship, the same games that Shorten was playing until Feeney & Gallagher were (far too belatedly) referred to the HC. There is no high ground here. Both leaders are occupying the low ground, both looking grubby and dirty in their desire to play political games rather than doing "the right thing" by the Australian people.
 

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You didn’t answer my question, you must be annoyed the Greens haven’t backed government measures to reign in debt, it’s obviously important to you.

So I’ll ask it another way, would the debt be lower had the Greens supported government measures?
Care to tell us how much of that debt blow out is down to the unfunded Disability Insurance Scheme and unfunded Gonski Education Funding Scheme that Labor saddled the country with, both noble ideas but Labor didn't have a clue how they were going to fund them going forward. Not to mention the many Billions of dollars the Labor Government saddled the Australian taxpayers with going forward over their "open border" policy that filled their Manus and Christmas Island Detention Centres to over flowing .
There has been poor economic management on both sides starting from Howard's/Costello's last term when he became overly generous to attempt to win votes but caused the budget structural problems, to the World's best (lol) treasurer wasting money on schemes with no long term benefit during the GFC (spend, spend, spend), to Abbott wanting to cut hard without really thinking the consequences, handing Turnball & Morrison power to loosen financial strings... & here we are.
No Kane, all this debt is the Greens' fault!
 

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Turnbull's refusal to refer King & Hawke is down to political gamesmanship, the same games that Shorten was playing until Feeney & Gallagher were (far too belatedly) referred to the HC. There is no high ground here. Both leaders are occupying the low ground, both looking grubby and dirty in their desire to play political games rather than doing "the right thing" by the Australian people.
As usual Vader you're completely on point.

If only there were people in parliament who, upon finding out they were dual citizens, understood what integrity was and stood down immediately.

If only.

I notice there aren't any more calls for people to pay back entitlements. There were a lot when those two Greens "who couldn't manage basic admin" stepped down. I wonder what changed?
 

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I was never against gay marriage. What I was against was the tactics employed by those pushing for it. Those tactics are clearly visible through out political history as ones deployed in times of tyranny by tyrants.

Tyranny is lies and deciet.. Truth is rock and the argument against gay marriage was
Hundreds of thousands of years old and firm
 

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I'm more concerned you all fell for it.
So it's just shitz-and-gigglez and if you took offence it's because you didn't get the joke?

That sort of defence is exactly what Green-types have fought to eliminate from society, so you can't use it now.

I have no problem with their tweet ... if those people were not so sensitive that they've shut down any attempt at humour when anything they believe is in the crosshairs.

That's my problem with that tweet. If anyone fired back something that poked fun at gender fluidity or SSM, they'd launch a royal commission. To me, that's what's hypocritical and what saddens me about the world we live in.
 

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That's my problem with that tweet. If anyone fired back something that poked fun at gender fluidity or SSM, they'd launch a royal commission. To me, that's what's hypocritical and what saddens me about the world we live in.
I completely agree. I look forward to their light-heartedly mocking tweet of Mohammed during Ramadan.

To say i'd be surprised if it happened is an understatement, and i think that's the thing that kills the Greens. It's a vibe thing about ivory towers and loving the smell of your own farts and such - but if you want to pull (admittedly amusing) stunts like this, you have to do it for everyone.

...and that's why South Park is so loved.
 

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Truth is rock and the argument against gay marriage was Hundreds of thousands of years old and firm
The truth is fascinating when you speak it. People react all sorts of ways.
Is one of those ways, obscene amounts of laughter?

Perhaps, total and complete incredulity?

Ah, you crack me up, i'll give you that.
 

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Are you happy for cuts to the public service, health, education, green energy and welfare?

Because you’ve failed to answer whether you would support cuts to help reign in debt.
Such a great way to frame the question such a stupid question. If you don't, you're a financial terrorist.

The answer to any question like this should be, it would depend on what was being cut. Cuts to the public service? Health? your categories are so broad as to be meaningless. I'd cut anything if I thought it a waste of money. Did you expect me to say, no, we must pump more money into the public service et al? That's poor even for you.

Speaking of which, how did the Liberal Party nearly double the debt?
 

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I was never against gay marriage. What I was against was the tactics employed by those pushing for it. Those tactics are clearly visible through out political history as ones deployed in times of tyranny by tyrants.

Tyranny is lies and deciet.. Truth is rock and the argument against gay marriage was
Hundreds of thousands of years old and firm
And what would that argument be?
 

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Such a great way to frame the question such a stupid question. If you don't, you're a financial terrorist.

The answer to any question like this should be, it would depend on what was being cut. Cuts to the public service? Health? your categories are so broad as to be meaningless. I'd cut anything if I thought it a waste of money. Did you expect me to say, no, we must pump more money into the public service et al? That's poor even for you.

Speaking of which, how did the Liberal Party nearly double the debt?
I think it's common knowledge that the Liberal Party inherited a number of years of budget deficits that were locked in by the previous Labour government. Tony Abbott's attempt to quickly redress this to a significant degree was the beginning of the end for him. Interestingly, we saw the Newman and Mills governments in QLD and NT respectively shoot themselves in the foot attempting the same. That Abbott didn't learn from their mistake was astounding. Australians do like to hear the word 'surplus' when budgets are being discussed. But there's a way to go about achieving that, and it's not the way these guys had a crack. Had much of the legislation not been blocked in the Senate, I'm sure their would have been a meaningful improvement to the budget bottom line and current level of government debt. Of course, that would have been a possibility anyway, if not for the way Abbott went about the process.
 

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Such a great way to frame the question such a stupid question. If you don't, you're a financial terrorist.

The answer to any question like this should be, it would depend on what was being cut. Cuts to the public service? Health? your categories are so broad as to be meaningless. I'd cut anything if I thought it a waste of money. Did you expect me to say, no, we must pump more money into the public service et al? That's poor even for you.

Speaking of which, how did the Liberal Party nearly double the debt?
What about all the policies the Greens have knocked back which would have reduced debt?
 

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Peter van Oscillator LOL

Reckon he's right with Kristina Keneally too, the more you saw of her during the campaign the more her confected whining really started to grate.

What did van Onselen do to upset Latham. I've always like Peter, reckon he's one of the better commentators on Sky News. The ultra conservative love in gives me the shits more often than not and I have to switch away.
 

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What did van Onselen do to upset Latham. I've always like Peter, reckon he's one of the better commentators on Sky News. The ultra conservative love in gives me the shits more often than not and I have to switch away.
Sorry mate but I don't share your like for van Onselen, just comes across as a smart ass that has a very big opinion of himself to me.
 

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Oh dear Barrie, couldn't get it much more wrong, 1st he stated right up to and during the USA election night thatTrump had no chance for the Presidency.....and then he predicted with Trump's election the USA would go through the biggest stock market crash since 9/11.......you not only got it wrong Barrie you got it monumentally wrong, 6 Trillion $$$'s wrong! :eek: #ZeroCred

 

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Sorry mate but I don't share your like for van Onselen, just comes across as a smart ass that has a very big opinion of himself to me.
I wonder if what I see as having fun and not taking himself too seriously can be what you see as having a high opinion of himself. He was superb throughout the last NT election coverage. And if you had as close a relationship with what had been going on here as I, then you'd have had a laugh with him as well. I really like the guy. Would be interested to know how he annoyed Latham. I rate Latham, he's a laugh and usually spot on. I did cringe when he shot himself referencing someone's handicap, but outside of that, he's superb more often than not.
 

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Reckon going down that route has fair chance of backfiring. SA electorate seems to have an affinity with finding an excuse to vote Labour. They'd probably welcome a minority Labour government with X oversight. It's not a strategy that I'd embrace if I was them.
I just want the Premier and his lot gone from the Treasury benches. That, a Crows premiership and a Pats Superbowl win in 2018, is it too much to ask?
 

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Why would anyone vote for a party that has deliberetly attacked us for doing something good?.

The fed libs have targeted us because of renewable energy. They are at in bed with the energy company's who lose money from investments like ours into out children's future
 

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Why would anyone vote for a party that has deliberetly attacked us for doing something good?.

The fed libs have targeted us because of renewable energy. They are at in bed with the energy company's who lose money from investments like ours into out children's future
:rolleyes:
What a load of cobblers.

Something good you say with the state's economy a basket case, leading industries being paid taxpayers $$$$$'s to shut down over summer if electricity supply can't meet demand, dirty polluting diesel generators employed to make up the shortfall in power demand when the wind doesn't blow at an undisclosed cost to the taxpayer....Yeah it's something good alright!!
 
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