Play Nice Politics # 4 - The madness continues here.....

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[1970crow]

Putting voter ID & election rigging to one side, if some kind of vaccine passport system is introduced, won't it need universal photo ID?

tattoos on our wrists sounds like it would work.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

 

[1970crow]

Young guy that sadly died of covid apparently had a long history of heart problems.

 

[FR0GGY]

Young guy that sadly died of covid apparently had a long history of heart problems.

The one from yesterday in nsw?

 

[kirky]

Hmmm - one is known for the company that they keep

First this

Scott Morrison confirms he sought White House invite for Hillsong pastor Brian Houston

The prime minister has refused for months to answer questions from journalists and Labor, describing the story as ‘gossip’

www.theguardian.com

then

Hillsong founders granted travel exemption to leave Australia

Hillsong founders Brian and Bobbie Houston have been granted an exemption to leave the country amid Australia’s fight against the COVID-19 pandemic despite strict travel limitations.

www.skynews.com.au

and now we have this

Hillsong pastor Brian Houston charged for allegedly concealing child sexual abuse by his father

Brian Houston was charged following a two-year investigation into allegations he had failed to report the alleged abuse of a young male in the 1970s.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Slippery Pete]

Melbourne lockdown 6. Because they work so well, you see.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Young guy that sadly died of covid apparently had a long history of heart problems.

Kane McGoodwin

 

[FR0GGY]

Melbourne lockdown 6. Because they work so well, you see.

I think the goal is the issue here.
Proper Lockdowns clearly work to slow the spread.
They don’t eradicate covid permanently.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kane McGoodwin

Whislt sad he died, it's good news that he had underlying heart conditions - when it was previously reported he had no known health issues.

Doesn’t change the fact that others under 40 have died from covid & had no known underlying health issues.

Get a covax & you have little to be concerned about.

 

[kirky]

Melbourne lockdown 6. Because they work so well, you see.

Well there work better than that cluster* up in NSW (which is a claytons lockdown).

 

[1970crow]

The one from yesterday in nsw?

yep, according to missus who was reading an article.

 

[1970crow]

Whislt sad he died, it's good news that he had underlying heart conditions - when it was previously reported he had no known health issues.

Doesn’t change the fact that others under 40 have died from covid & had no known underlying health issues.

Get a covax & you have little to be concerned about.

Apparently he was on day 13 of self isolation having caught it from his missus who brought it home from the aged care centre she worked at. Apparently he tested negative the day before. Obviously the damage was done.

 

[BRL121]

Young guy that sadly died of covid apparently had a long history of heart problems.

Very predictable for such a sudden death. Of course, it needn't have been a long history, just previously undiagnosed.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Doesn’t change the fact that others under 40 have died from covid & had no known underlying health issues.

Who? And how many?

 

[WetCrow1991]

Hmmm - one is known for the company that they keep

First this

Scott Morrison confirms he sought White House invite for Hillsong pastor Brian Houston

The prime minister has refused for months to answer questions from journalists and Labor, describing the story as ‘gossip’

www.theguardian.com

then

Hillsong founders granted travel exemption to leave Australia

Hillsong founders Brian and Bobbie Houston have been granted an exemption to leave the country amid Australia’s fight against the COVID-19 pandemic despite strict travel limitations.

www.skynews.com.au

and now we have this

Hillsong pastor Brian Houston charged for allegedly concealing child sexual abuse by his father

Brian Houston was charged following a two-year investigation into allegations he had failed to report the alleged abuse of a young male in the 1970s.

www.smh.com.au

What a coincidence!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Who? And how many?

How about you research all the deaths... as I have got better things to do to answer all your questions.

You can start with the deaths from the current NSW outbreak.

Bottom line is avoid getting vaccinated at your own peril.. but the message clearly isn't getting through to you.

For your sake I hope you don't come into contact with anyone who has covid... but it is a risky move to be unvaccinated when things open up.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Young guy that sadly died of covid apparently had a long history of heart problems.

Just checked & this not quite correct. He hadn't previously had any heart problems, but there was a history of heart issues for his family. So whislt it is likely he may have had an underlying heart issue, it wasn't previously diagnosed & he personally didn't have a long history of heart issues.

So anyone whose family has as a history of heart issues or other chronic diseases should get themselves vaccinated asap.

 

[brucetiki]

Hmmm - one is known for the company that they keep

First this

Scott Morrison confirms he sought White House invite for Hillsong pastor Brian Houston

The prime minister has refused for months to answer questions from journalists and Labor, describing the story as ‘gossip’

www.theguardian.com

then

Hillsong founders granted travel exemption to leave Australia

Hillsong founders Brian and Bobbie Houston have been granted an exemption to leave the country amid Australia’s fight against the COVID-19 pandemic despite strict travel limitations.

www.skynews.com.au

and now we have this

Hillsong pastor Brian Houston charged for allegedly concealing child sexual abuse by his father

Brian Houston was charged following a two-year investigation into allegations he had failed to report the alleged abuse of a young male in the 1970s.

www.smh.com.au

No wonder he fled the country

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Just checked & this not quite correct. He hadn't previously had any heart problems, but there was a history of heart issues for his family. So whislt it is likely he may have had an underlying heart issue, it wasn't previously diagnosed & he personally didn't have a long history of heart issues.

So anyone whose family has as a history of heart issues or other chronic diseases should get themselves vaccinated asap.

Yeah my old man had a heart transplant. I'm awful tempted to just go and get the Astra jab right now if I'm able to.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

 

[1970crow]

Just checked & this not quite correct. He hadn't previously had any heart problems, but there was a history of heart issues for his family. So whislt it is likely he may have had an underlying heart issue, it wasn't previously diagnosed & he personally didn't have a long history of heart issues.

So anyone whose family has as a history of heart issues or other chronic diseases should get themselves vaccinated asap.

I’m going to have to fact check Lyn’s claims in future. I do a good enough job of embarrassing myself, don’t need two of us on the job.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I’m going to have to fact check Lyn’s claims in future. I do a good enough job of embarrassing myself, don’t need two of us on the job.

I was actually hoping she would be correct, as would be less of a concern. I suspect they may find something undiagnosed if they did an autopsy... but then how many people have an underlying condition undiagnosed as they haven't had any issues?

 

[Slippery Pete]

How about you research all the deaths...

I have, you clearly haven’t. I have said many times it is almost a statistically insiginifcant threat for anyone under 50 (and especially under 40) in good health. Yes, it is a threat at the very margins, the same way there is a marginal threat that younger people will die of a host of other respiratory viruses and diseases. All of these cases are serious and very sad — nobody denies that. But when you are enacting public health policy that affects millions of people, you use the statistical data and the risk analysis. Or at least we used to…

Bottom line is avoid getting vaccinated at your own peril.. but the message clearly isn't getting through to you.

Get a covax & you have little to be concerned about.

Why do you keep saying this? I’ve never encouraged anyone to get vaccinated or to not get vaccinated. I’ve always said anybody who wants it should get it, that it should be a choice, people (including me) should talk it over with a trusted doctor first, and that nobody’s freedoms should depend on it.

Telling people you don’t know to rush out and get the vaxx is just as bad as telling people not to get it. You don’t know anybody’s personal medical situation.

 

[fortunatecrow]

Victoria back in state-wide lockdown despite there being no cases outside Melbourne. Stairman Dan loudly calls for a ring of steel for Sydney....but won't even attempt it for Melbourne. Well done to the Age today for highlighting the mental health issues caused by lockdown.

‘Really starting to get to people’: Lockdowns familiar but don’t get easier By Michael Fowler and Anna Prytz
August 6, 2021 — 5.00am

Every time Victoria snaps back into lockdown, public health physician Nathan Grills notices the same trend when he works his Saturday shift in a Melbourne emergency department. “There’ll be a whole lot less sporting injuries, then you get a rebound in mental health disorders, domestic violence incidences and eating disorders. They trend up after a few days of lockdown,” he says....

Professor Patrick McGorry, one of the country’s leading youth mental health experts and former Australian of the Year, believes lockdowns are “really starting to get to people”...

Patrick McGorry says the effect of lockdowns is cumulative. "But that’s tweaking at the edges. We have to get past lockdowns as a strategy and obviously pushing vaccines - all vaccines that are safe and approved - is the start,” he says. “The next is the shadow pandemic of mental health. The Premier has been a great champion of mental health but there are ways to bolster the system in the short-term. We need to repurpose existing workforces, a bit like they did with COVID - instantly hiring contact tracers and buying ventilators. Most nurses and doctors have had mental health training and could be used.”

 

[Crow till I die]

The 'new' normal is coming. Power to hire and fire if you are / arent vaccinated has been assumed