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Big Animal

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It doesn't work with the narrative to highlight that Australia has reached the million case milestone, because most of them are from the last three weeks and we haven't seen bulk deaths.

When I ran the numbers, in order to reach the 2% case fatality rate that governments were quoting, we need 815 deaths a day for the next three weeks.

NSW, with a bulk of the current active cases hasn't had that number of deaths total.

Big numbers are useful and scary, until they aren't, then they disappear.
yep. In Australia in 2019 there were 214,377 notifications of laboratory-confirmed influenza (i.e. doesn't include the people who didn't see a doctor or visit hospital) and 902 deaths. Big scary numbers if the media reports them every day (which they didn't).
(https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australia-records-zero-flu-deaths-over-past-12-mon)
 

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The problem when we open up will be the country towns and up north. If you look at WAToday's figures for local government regions and towns for vax's, most inner city areas will be over 95% 12+ by the time of 5 Feb with only a few manbabies left unvaxxed to push the hospitals. It's some of the towns and the Pilbara where the underresourced small hospitals and clinics are going to be strained.

The other elephant is that looking at the speed of infection over east, and with no Perth waves of infections to date, the majority of the population is likely to be affected within a couple of months regardless of measures put in place. If the whole of Perth is on 5+ day self quarantine, symptoms or not, for a fair part of that period, the city and mines will largely shut down. Need to realise that (i) you will get it, (ii) omicron's not that dangerous particularly when vaxxed and most people won't need to go to hospital for any level of treatment, so (iii) if you don't have symptoms, keep doing what you do just like what we normally do in winter during the flu season, and we'll be through the worst of it before the weather turns.
 

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The problem when we open up will be the country towns and up north. If you look at WAToday's figures for local government regions and towns for vax's, most inner city areas will be over 95% 12+ by the time of 5 Feb with only a few manbabies left unvaxxed to push the hospitals. It's some of the towns and the Pilbara where the underresourced small hospitals and clinics are going to be strained.

The other elephant is that looking at the speed of infection over east, and with no Perth waves of infections to date, the majority of the population is likely to be affected within a couple of months regardless of measures put in place. If the whole of Perth is on 5+ day self quarantine, symptoms or not, for a fair part of that period, the city and mines will largely shut down. Need to realise that (i) you will get it, (ii) omicron's not that dangerous particularly when vaxxed and most people won't need to go to hospital for any level of treatment, so (iii) if you don't have symptoms, keep doing what you do just like what we normally do in winter during the flu season, and we'll be through the worst of it before the weather turns.
The last part scares the sh*t out of me.
Again, what you say is like the East Coast have been saying, Just let it rip.
Look at what that has done to supplies all over the country.
Imagine when with your let it rip policy ,start to affect our manufacturers, bread , milk, meat, etc etc etc.
It sounds a bit like you have been reading from the Hands on Faith healers guide to corona,
Heaven fckn help us.
 

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320 people in ICU with covid, 74% of cases last week in ICU were with delta.

620,000 cases of almost all omicron and 84 in ICU.

This is with Pfizer saying there is very little protection from just two shots... but let's assume they are try selling their product.
 

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The last part scares the sh*t out of me.
Again, what you say is like the East Coast have been saying, Just let it rip.
Look at what that has done to supplies all over the country.
Imagine when with your let it rip policy ,start to affect our manufacturers, bread , milk, meat, etc etc etc.
It sounds a bit like you have been reading from the Hands on Faith healers guide to corona,
Heaven fckn help us.
So what do you suggest then? Delay opening until winter when the original vaccines have completely worn off?
Omicron is a very mild cold. It’s not the bubonic plague like some would have you believe.
 

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New inflation data from the states this week. Likely to be 40 year highs.

The Market is pricing in rate rises here. A good time to do some numbers on what rate rises would look like for your family budget. If possible lock in something fixed at current rates.

Sadly there will be a lot of hurting people when rates do increase. I would expect between three to four increases over the next 18 months.
 

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The biggest factor reducing the death rate is the Vaccination rate, yes Omicron is less deadly, but the case numbers have passed the level the states can put out accurate data. ICU numbers are made up largely of the unvaccinated and elderly. Unvaccinated people are making up a ridiculous percentage of ICU patients for such a tiny percentage of the population.
And 75% have Delta, I believe. (In NSW and Victoria, anyway)

The Queensland CHO said over half of those counted in our ICUs are there for other ailments but are covid-positive as well.
 

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So what do you suggest then? Delay opening until winter when the original vaccines have completely worn off?
Omicron is a very mild cold. It’s not the bubonic plague like some would have you believe.
Ok Doc. I assume that you are talking from experience.
 

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New inflation data from the states this week. Likely to be 40 year highs.

The Market is pricing in rate rises here. A good time to do some numbers on what rate rises would look like for your family budget. If possible lock in something fixed at current rates.

Sadly there will be a lot of hurting people when rates do increase. I would expect between three to four increases over the next 18 months.

I'm old enough to remember the 10s, not the 19s my parents dealt with. We've had it good with interest rates for a while. As long as the wheels keep turning and people stay employed hopefully not too many badly effected.
 

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I'm old enough to remember the 10s, not the 19s my parents dealt with. We've had it good with interest rates for a while. As long as the wheels keep turning and people stay employed hopefully not too many badly effected.

I am old enough to remember my parents having an 18% interest rate. Hard times.

I hope so... unfortunately when it comes to loans people tend to extend themselves to the limit and rarely leave a buffer. Personally after the 20% deposit we only loan up to 75-80% of what the bank approves. Most people go to the limit. We know that there are a lot of people who cannot afford to cover a $1k emergency without using a credit card. Hopefully employment is ok and as many people as possible take the time to plan. Historically few do.

And yes, we have had it very, very good over the last decade. There would be a large amount of home owners who haven't seen an interest rate increase.
 

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I'm old enough to remember the 10s, not the 19s my parents dealt with. We've had it good with interest rates for a while. As long as the wheels keep turning and people stay employed hopefully not too many badly effected.
But in regards to work and the wheels turning, I think that will be decided by how many people are forced from work due to the virus.
Already we see the wheels grinding to a halt over East.
I have a friend in QLD who believes he has had the virus, he forced himself to keep working because he could not afford to be off work for his mortgage. Doing that, the virus is spreading like wild fire in QLD.
People are scared to be sick.
 

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Ok Doc. I assume that you are talking from experience.
I know dozens of close family and friends that have tested positive in recent weeks. Catching up with a mate in the morning who was positive last Thursday, for a coffee before he moves overseas on Friday. Couldnt care less at this stage if I get covid off him, though he was negative yesterday on a RAT. I’d nearly be happy enough to get the virus at this stage and get on with life. All the people I know who had the virus over the holiday period were in the pubs all the weekend just past here in Melbourne having a great time. It’s pretty much a case of if you go for a few beers on a night out, you’ll have covid 2 days later.
I know it’s a totally different mindset in Perth but unless you guys want to break away from Australia’s federation and form the democratic socialist republic of Western Australia, you are going to have to let covid into the state at some point. So WA might as well just get on with it on 5th Feb and stop delaying the inevitable. Vaccine coverage will arguably never be stronger in WA than right now.
 

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I know dozens of close family and friends that have tested positive in recent weeks. Catching up with a mate in the morning who was positive last Thursday, for a coffee before he moves overseas on Friday. Couldnt care less at this stage if I get covid off him, though he was negative yesterday on a RAT. I’d nearly be happy enough to get the virus at this stage and get on with life. All the people I know who had the virus over the holiday period were in the pubs all the weekend just past here in Melbourne having a great time. It’s pretty much a case of if you go for a few beers on a night out, you’ll have covid 2 days later.
I know it’s a totally different mindset in Perth but unless you guys want to break away from Australia’s federation and form the democratic socialist republic of Western Australia, you are going to have to let covid into the state at some point. So WA might as well just get on with it on 5th Feb and stop delaying the inevitable. Vaccine coverage will arguably never be stronger in WA than right now.
AHHH so you are not a West Aussie.

One who doesn't care about his fellow Australians.Let it rip mate, she'll be right. Only going to fck up the work force but hey let's do it.
Stick to your side of the country.
So nice of you to offer you ill gotten knowledge.
 

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Those isolation rule changes will do a lot to alleviate the staff issues as people have their five to seven days off.
 

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I know dozens of close family and friends that have tested positive in recent weeks. Catching up with a mate in the morning who was positive last Thursday, for a coffee before he moves overseas on Friday. Couldnt care less at this stage if I get covid off him, though he was negative yesterday on a RAT. I’d nearly be happy enough to get the virus at this stage and get on with life. All the people I know who had the virus over the holiday period were in the pubs all the weekend just past here in Melbourne having a great time. It’s pretty much a case of if you go for a few beers on a night out, you’ll have covid 2 days later.
I know it’s a totally different mindset in Perth but unless you guys want to break away from Australia’s federation and form the democratic socialist republic of Western Australia, you are going to have to let covid into the state at some point. So WA might as well just get on with it on 5th Feb and stop delaying the inevitable. Vaccine coverage will arguably never be stronger in WA than right now.
This is possibly... no definitely... the dumbest sh*t I've ever read.
 

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and you dont think the Soviets figured they would get rolled as had the rest of europe up to that point? theyd just come out a civil war plus some purging of high ranked generals. it was always germanys plan to take the east and the communist throughout europe were already well aware what facsists were capable of.

How exactly was the Soviet Union better prepared for a conflict against the Nazis by providing the raw materials the Germans needed to wage war?

This conversation began as whataboutism to deflect from the brutality of the Nazis.

Both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were involved in geopolitical expansion, and were led by a demagogue, both suppressed political opposition violently, and both controlled the media rigidly.

Yeah, I had a comment responding to that pointing out the Soviets didn't actually kill more people than the Nazis and the Nazis killed a lot more than 7 million people.

Both were fairly fond of ethnic cleansing if I recall as well. They're terrible ideologies that belong in the past.
 

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Where is your proof that the Russian intervention on Facebook didn’t happen? Or that the Cambridge Analytica scandal didn’t happen?
Trump owed his presidency to Putin.
Putin is a very dangerous man. Watching a clip on YouTube. Its a 60 minute doco on Putins people using poisonous gas to kill off any anti Putin critics.
 

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I know dozens of close family and friends that have tested positive in recent weeks. Catching up with a mate in the morning who was positive last Thursday, for a coffee before he moves overseas on Friday. Couldnt care less at this stage if I get covid off him, though he was negative yesterday on a RAT. I’d nearly be happy enough to get the virus at this stage and get on with life. All the people I know who had the virus over the holiday period were in the pubs all the weekend just past here in Melbourne having a great time. It’s pretty much a case of if you go for a few beers on a night out, you’ll have covid 2 days later.
I know it’s a totally different mindset in Perth but unless you guys want to break away from Australia’s federation and form the democratic socialist republic of Western Australia, you are going to have to let covid into the state at some point. So WA might as well just get on with it on 5th Feb and stop delaying the inevitable. Vaccine coverage will arguably never be stronger in WA than right now.

At least WA have a level of control of covid not available to the rest of Australia. They can/should continue to learn about Omicron, whilst conscious Delta is making up half of the hospitalisations on the east coast.

'A spokesperson for NSW Health said from December 16 to January 4, three quarters of the COVID-positive patients in the ICU had the Delta variant, and 62 per cent were not vaccinated.'
 

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AHHH so you are not a West Aussie.

One who doesn't care about his fellow Australians.Let it rip mate, she'll be right. Only going to fck up the work force but hey let's do it.
Stick to your side of the country.
So nice of you to offer you ill gotten knowledge.
He could have worded it better but what he is saying is correct, it's coming and we all will be exposed to it at some stage. WA is better prepared than the other states and the media is making it look like the end of the world. It wont be great but this is the opportunity to tame the beast finally with a combination of less severe infections and high vaccination rates before winter hits. The time is the best it will be.
 

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