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bloodstainedangel5 said:
I know I'm going against the BigFooty fashion here, but Johnson and Tait have fantastic ODI records, and they have them for a reason. Watson is a gun with the ball as well.

Krejza is our only real liability. Unfortunately, he looks so damn good when he's bowling that he's hard to drop. You always feel he's just around the corner from a matchwinning spell, but it just never comes. You're always left waiting.

Our batting form right now is of far greater concern.
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Krejza is strange. He does look good and can give it a real tweak when he gets it right, but he bowls so short so often. He really just doesn't have enough control to be an international bowler. He's more like a talented part-timer.
 
Needs to piss off after the WC. For god's sake this has gone on way too long. He looked god awful in the Ashes and has looked god awful all world cup with the bat. Fair enough there are plenty of other batsmen also performing poorly (Haddin, White, etc) but Ricky looks worst of the lot.
 
Whilst I do not have a issue with him not walking (although personally think if it is clear you should walk and most players do but that is personal choice purely) I do have an issue with him banging on about sportsmanship when he is the first one to have a hissy fiss when a decision does not go his way (e.g. towards Aleem Dar in that referral). People will harp on about it is all fine but Ponting's demenour looks very arrogangt most of the time.

The whole thing about this walking debate is however if Ponting thinks its okay to not walk after smashing the ball- fine- but then do not throw a hissy fit the next time a player asks for a close catch to be referred and refuses to take the word of a fielder. If according to Ponting it is up to the umpire to make the decision then that should apply for everything including catches.

Ponting really is a great of the game and is in my opinion the third best batsman of all time. He has however tarnished his reputation over the last few years and just seems like a frustrated old man.
 

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Not walking when it's clear the keeper caught the ball is different from asking teams to agree on taking the fielders word that they caught the ball.

I agree with him to an extent that you receive plenty of dud decisions so why not take the good fortune? However, if everyone walked when out, they wouldn't be using Umpire Review now :)

Yes, I walk when I know I've edged a ball and been caught. I encourage my team mates to do the same.
 
Dragz said:
Not walking when it's clear the keeper caught the ball is different from asking teams to agree on taking the fielders word that they caught the ball.

I agree with him to an extent that you receive plenty of dud decisions so why not take the good fortune? However, if everyone walked when out, they wouldn't be using Umpire Review now :)

Yes, I walk when I know I've edged a ball and been caught. I encourage my team mates to do the same.
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The point I am making is that it is hypocrictical for Ponting to say that you are only out when the umpire gives you out but then at the same time throw a hissy fit when batsman ask umpires to refer close catches. If Ponting's argument is that you should wait for the umpires decision then why should a batsman not wait for a umpire to make a decision on a catch?
 
King Elvis said:
Fielder knows whether he caught it or not, without question.

 Fielder doesn't always know whether the batsmen hit it.

Different issues, but as usual, let's bag Ponting, even if he's actually wanting to do the right thing .
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Just ignore the issue again.

The fielder is in the best position to know whether they took a catch just just like the batsman is in the best position to know whether they edged a ball.

The point however is Ponting's argument is that you are only out when the umpire gives you out. So why should a batsman according to Ponting walk off before the umpire gives him out?
 
King Elvis said:
Fielder knows whether he caught it or not, without question.

Fielder doesn't always know whether the batsmen hit it.

Different issues, but as usual, let's bag Ponting, even if he's actually wanting to do the right thing.
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Yeah, but the batsman always knows whether they hit it or not.

Point is that if you're going to expect a fieldsman to own up to balls that didn't carry, you're equally going to expect a batsman to own up to balls that took an edge.

Also, just for the record, fielders don't always know whether they've caught it or not. I've taken a low-down chance and been unsure, when apparently (according to a teammate) it bounced quite clearly in front of me. I had no idea. Didn't hear it bounce, didn't feel any different when it hit my hands, the only reason I was unsure is because I wasn't expecting it to get to me, but it certainly felt like a catch. I did put in a rather spectacular dive (read: I jumped and awkwardly flopped forward towards the ball) which meant that a lot of stuff was happening, so maybe that's why I wasn't sure.

Whatever the reason, I've always been a bit sympathetic to fieldsmen who claim dodgy catches, because sometimes you really just don't know.
 
The ricky didn't walk argument is just inane.
Punter has never walked.
Gilly did, and good on him.
However it's not like punter has always walked and then didn't.
These days, it's worth checking if the delivery is legal at least.
I don't want to lose matches because players walk on what is later shown to be a no-ball for example.
 
courtjester said:
Paw widdle Stevie Smiff might have his feelings hurt by that nasty old Ricky Ponting when he threw the ball after he caught it.

Anyone bagging Ponting here is a tool. Nothing wrong with what he did or how he reacted.
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so had the incident been in reverse and Smith had've thrown the ball in the ground you would be stating in here it's good to show passion or some shit like that....

fwiw the incident was Smith's fault. Ponting was clearly in better position andw as calling. but communication breakdowns happen in sport. you don't just spit the dummy when they do.
 
King Elvis said:
Fielder knows whether he caught it or not, without question.

Fielder doesn't always know whether the batsmen hit it.

Different issues, but as usual, let's bag Ponting, even if he's actually wanting to do the right thing.
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That's fine if it's a quiet nick, or if the ball was taken close to the ground.. but Ponting smashed the cover off it and the keeper clearly took it cleanly. The only thing he achieved by standing his ground was to waste 2 min until the very 1st UDRS replay showed him belting it with the middle of his bat. At the very least he should have walked as soon as the decision was referred - the decision was so blatantly wrong that it was always going to be overturned. He should have been 2/3 of the way to the boundary before the umpire raised his finger.

As for the Smith catch.. It's one thing to let your team mate know that you're displeased with them. Ponting didn't do that - he threw a tanty which would have done most 3yo children proud. Not his finest moment. Sadly this boorish behaviour has become his trademark in recent years as his frustration levels have crept up following failure after failure with the bat.
 

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Black Thunder said:
so had the incident been in reverse and Smith had've thrown the ball in the ground you would be stating in here it's good to show passion or some shit like that....

fwiw the incident was Smith's fault. Ponting was clearly in better position andw as calling. but communication breakdowns happen in sport. you don't just spit the dummy when they do.
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There is your 1st mistake right there, Ponting isn't a moron like smith and has never ran into anyone who called a catch.

Smith wouldn't have thrown the ball anyways, he doesn't take the game serious enough. It would have been a joke to him just like the rest of his cricket.
 
Why is this clown the face of Australian cricket? How about stepping aside and giving some kids a chance to test their leadership mettle? Could be a great mentor to the next gen of Australian cricketers but instead he acts like an arrogant sod who thinks his crap doesn't stink.

What a great example he must be setting for the new kids. I can guarantee in 15 years time these same young players that are trying their best to develop will say "yeah Ricky was a great player but a right royal tosspot as a captain."

Hilarious reading the "great to see Punter show emotion" posts. Anyone with some knowledge of leadership knows that to help develop youngsters, you don't do embarass them in front of the whole team and the viewing public. Pull the kid aside in private, tell him it wasn't the right thing to do and encourage him to get better. Such a hero throwing the ball away in disgust Ricky. All class.:rolleyes:
 
Wickzki said:
Worst captain in the history of Australian cricket - with the statistics and records to prove it.
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Test:

Won: 48
Drawn: 13
Lost: 16

ODI:

Won: 164
Lost: 49

Statistically the most successful captain of all time in both forms of the game. He also captained Australia to 16 consecutive test wins and 21 consecutive ODI wins. Both records.

Plus a couple of these:

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And we had this for a few years as well:

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Which statistics are you talking about?
 
Phil McCreviss said:
Why is this clown the face of Australian cricket? How about stepping aside and giving some kids a chance to test their leadership mettle? Could be a great mentor to the next gen of Australian cricketers but instead he acts like an arrogant sod who thinks his crap doesn't stink.

What a great example he must be setting for the new kids. I can guarantee in 15 years time these same young players that are trying their best to develop will say "yeah Ricky was a great player but a right royal tosspot as a captain."

Hilarious reading the "great to see Punter show emotion" posts. Anyone with some knowledge of leadership knows that to help develop youngsters, you don't do embarass them in front of the whole team and the viewing public. Pull the kid aside in private, tell him it wasn't the right thing to do and encourage him to get better. Such a hero throwing the ball away in disgust Ricky. All class.:rolleyes:
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Particularly when they bag Clarke for the same thing after he's gotten out.

Pontings strength as a captain was that he lead from the front with the bat. Was never great on tactics and what not but there was a period there where he'd just go out and make runs. He no longer does this and the rest of his game has unravelled as a result.
 

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davis_756 said:
There is your 1st mistake right there, Ponting isn't a moron like smith and has never ran into anyone who called a catch.

Smith wouldn't have thrown the ball anyways, he doesn't take the game serious enough. It would have been a joke to him just like the rest of his cricket.
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Looking like your enjoying yourself whilst playing cricket =/= not taking the game seriously
 
He's fantastic, both as a batman, fielder (utterly brilliant, not to be overlooked), and ridiculously under-rated as a captain.

But he's never been the most gracious in defeat, be that personally as a batsman, as a captain if the decision didn't go his teams way or if a match/series was lost, and now overall in his career.

Ricky, recognise that the time is right to step aside and do yourself justice. Bat, just bat, for a few more years, give way to the future of the side, and be remembered for what you have been - fantastic over a long period of time. Don't tarnish it with a few months of being petulant.

Don't wait for the tap on the shoulder. Besides the fact that CA in its' current form doesn't have the balls, do it for yourself. From one Roo man to another, I am urging you.
 
The lack of respect for Ponting is outrageous, with guys like White and Smith already in the team Pontings replacement is going to be worse than those duds. Ponting is still scoring more runs than White and Smith, so he shouldn't be the one coping the blame by himself. It's hard to win games when, you have two absolute dud batsmen and 2 pace bowlers that cant hit the same spot twice in the row and a Cgrade spinner. Having to deal with all that is going to be a negative on your batting.
 

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