Ponting !

[Joe Mama]

Khawaja at #3, Clarke at #4 (if he's going to lead the side, he must find form at #4, and lead from the front) Ponting at #5 (if form warrants it), whilst Uzzy gets accustomed to batting at Test Level.

In that case, CA needs to force Ponting's hand and make this happen for Sri Lanka & South Africa.

 

[believe_it]

Ponting should be dropped . Not because he is not capable of batting on but because he refuses to relinquish the captaincy or even entertain this possibility.

His stubbornness may be of benefit in some ways to him but in leadership
it closes his mind and seems not to learn from mistakes.

His tactics of bowling Krejza for the most overs against Pakistan and India
whilst leaving his pace bowlers with spare overs shows his idiocy. Krejas stike rate nearly 3 times worse than Tait , Lee , and Johnson.

Put the team first Ponting not your ego

 

[NMFC 1811]

And what I can't stand about haters like you is your complete refusal to enjoy and congratulate the efforts of a fine innings from one of our finest players, because your bitterness is so profound that you cannot at least accept that this was one of Ponting's greatest knocks

But as they say, Haters gonna Hate!.

This thread getting merged has everyones wires crossed. The thread i replied to was supposed to be a celebration of the great mans innings last night.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Nine years as captain is enough for anyone.

 

[RadcliffesShorts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32_zlSe-DBY

 

[aussierulesrules]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32_zlSe-DBY

That was great, had a good chuckle. Thanks for posting!

 

[AM]

Nine years as captain is enough for anyone.

If there was a standout replacement I doubt he'd still be the leader.

It's not just him, we need to start looking at our next generation of players. First step is to dice the current selection panel and Greg Chappell too and get some progressive thinkers into those positions.

 

[Bomber Bears]

And what I can't stand about haters like you is your complete refusal to enjoy and congratulate the efforts of a fine innings from one of our finest players, because your bitterness is so profound that you cannot at least accept that this was one of Ponting's greatest knocks

But as they say, Haters gonna Hate!.

Most people have been pretty congratulatory, it was a very good knock when we needed runs. The main points are still clear however
- one ton in 13 months is not a great indication of form.
- it was a slow pitch, against an attack with just one pace bowler of note who is not express. The questions on his ability to play the short ball, or even his lack of willingness to change his game plan, were not answer by this knock.

The questions remain as to whether he will Stand down from captaincy, whether he will will drop down the order, or whether he is still a very stubborn character.

Watching a great batsmen in serious decline is frustrating for all concerned, especially where there is little acknowledgement from said player that he needs to adjust his game to factor in current age.

 

[Sman-21]

I still believe he has the talent to play on

He just doesnt have the hunger to play well anymore.
He was hungry in that game desperate to stick it up india,his doubters etc.
An thats why he did well.

Hes achieved pretty much everything in the game, hes lost the hunger.

Absolutely must be dumped as captain.
Give him a few games just as batsman an see if he has the hunger for runs.
If not hes gone

Talent still there just not hungry enough for runs,success etc

 

[Joe Mama]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32_zlSe-DBY

Very clever, I needed a goo laugh after what happened to the Lions last night .

 

[Joe Mama]

Most people have been pretty congratulatory, it was a very good knock when we needed runs. The main points are still clear however
- one ton in 13 months is not a great indication of form.
- it was a slow pitch, against an attack with just one pace bowler of note who is not express. The questions on his ability to play the short ball, or even his lack of willingness to change his game plan, were not answer by this knock.

The questions remain as to whether he will Stand down from captaincy, whether he will will drop down the order, or whether he is still a very stubborn character.

Watching a great batsmen in serious decline is frustrating for all concerned, especially where there is little acknowledgement from said player that he needs to adjust his game to factor in current age.

I was only responding to that douche rizzo, and his BS, your posts are at least reasoned and level headed, but that being said I hope that Ponting does retire from the ODI team, leaves the captaincy to Michael Clarke (as much as it pains me to give the job that's been held by the likes of Allan Border & Ian Chappell to that queen of preen), and bat #5 for the tours of South Africa & Sri Lanka.

Although he's not great right now, Ponting's average is still better than nearly everyone else.

 

[frankrizzo]

I was only responding to that douche rizzo, and his BS,

No need to be an abusive little child, i was posting about his test future and past 2 years of test cricket and you started rabbiting on about a single odi innings(god knows how it's relevant).

Although your spirited(if baseless) defense of everything ponting is cute, i can almost imagine you making a youtube video screaming "leave ricky alone!"

 

[King Elvis]

Yet again, Ponting stood up when it mattered.

The way people treat him is a disgrace.

We were always going to struggle in this World Cup (once again, stupid selections didn't help), I was annoyed we lost, but I cared more about seeing Ponting do well.

He should retire from ODIs now.

He should move himself down to either #4 or #5 (Clarke can't bat #4) and finish his career there.

He is still our most important player, which is incredible, and we need at least another 12 months out of him while guys like Khawaja get bedded in.

Ponting may have had a good 2007 but Lara and Tendulkar (lara in particular) has had to to score runs with their backs against the walls for the majority of their career. Ponting is in Lara's situation now with a declining powerhouse..and look at how his batting is going. One season of dominance does not give Ponting the advantage over Lara and Tendulkar and never will

Lulz, you're kidding, right?

 

[King Elvis]

Ponting should be dropped . Not because he is not capable of batting on but because he refuses to relinquish the captaincy or even entertain this possibility.

His stubbornness may be of benefit in some ways to him but in leadership
it closes his mind and seems not to learn from mistakes.

His tactics of bowling Krejza for the most overs against Pakistan and India
whilst leaving his pace bowlers with spare overs shows his idiocy. Krejas stike rate nearly 3 times worse than Tait , Lee , and Johnson.

Put the team first Ponting not your ego

Are you serious?

Tait arguably cost us the game.

 

[frankrizzo]

The last two years of test cricket mattered a LOT and ponting didn't stand up, ponting should have dropped down the order(especially while carrying the clearly restrictive elbow injury) but he didn't he put his ego before the needs of the team and he and the team suffered.

Look personally im fine with ponting playing on in tests, but he needs to be relieved of captaincy and drop down to 5-6 in the order.

part of the problem is we have such a weak and craven group of selectors and administrators who indulge ponting, in any other era ponting would have been told to step down before he's pushed.

I still can't understand why ponting supporters don't agree with him stepping down a skipper/dropping down the order, if you guys truly want him to make runs that gives him a much better shot, if you really think he's going to stay as skipper bat at 3 and go back to being what he was from 02-06 then quite frankly you're living in a dreamworld.

 

[King Elvis]

No.

When Taylor was cooked, we had Waugh.

When Waugh was done, we had Ponting.

Now that Ponting is on the wane, we have Clarke.

3 of them will go down as our greatest Captains; one isn't fit to be mentioned in the same standing.

It was easy to get rid of Taylor/Waugh when you had the calibre of man to follow them, we don't have that luxury at preesnt.

 

[frankrizzo]

Clarke may be a complete toss(in fact im pretty sure he is) but even he is a tactically superior skipper to ponting who let face it was a lead with the bat skipper not a lead with his tactical acumen skipper like taylor.

What would we gain by dragging the transition out for another 12 months anyway?

Clarke is still going to be the only genuine alternative to skipper the test side in the short run, and keeping ponting as skipper and at 3 just makes his batting job harder and we need his runs heck of lot more than his captaincy.

 

[Hoffy95]

Clarke may be a complete toss(in fact im pretty sure he is) but even he is a tactically superior skipper to ponting who let face it was a lead with the bat skipper not a lead with his tactical acumen skipper like taylor.

What would we gain by dragging the transition out for another 12 months anyway?

Clarke is still going to be the only genuine alternative to skipper the test side in the short run, and keeping ponting as skipper and at 3 just makes his batting job harder and we need his runs heck of lot more than his captaincy.

You don't make a pea heart a leader of men. Look at every AFL captain. They are all Captain's because they are inspiring, NOT because of their footy brains.

Sure a cricket Captain needs to be tactically sound but they also have to inspire ten other blokes to play their best cricket. No-one has any respect for Clarke so this will never happen. He crumbles at the sign of any pressure and our future if very bleak if he is leading the way. There's not a lot of great candidates post Ponting but he's sure as hell the best option still as it stands. Even if his batting isn't what it was.

Someone will come through and put their hand up and I hope they get the gig. Fagboy will get it though because he's the pin up boy and Australian Cricket will suffer hard as a result.

 

[King Elvis]

Clarke may be a complete toss(in fact im pretty sure he is) but even he is a tactically superior skipper to ponting who let face it was a lead with the bat skipper not a lead with his tactical acumen skipper like taylor.

What would we gain by dragging the transition out for another 12 months anyway?

Clarke is still going to be the only genuine alternative to skipper the test side in the short run, and keeping ponting as skipper and at 3 just makes his batting job harder and we need his runs heck of lot more than his captaincy.

Clarke is over-rated as a Captain; he tries things, sometimes they come off, sometimes they don't. Ponting does the same, but people are looking for reasons to bag him, so when they don't come off, they're jumped on - when they do, they're dismissed as 'Well, what do you expect?'

I'd move Punter down the order but keep him Captain, Clarke isn't up to it and I don't consider him a leader.

He failed again, in a crunch situation, when we needed him, happens too often.

 

[frankrizzo]

You can't seriously be comparing a test cricket captain and afl captains.

Apples and oranges, tactical skills of a skipper in a 5 day test match(potentially 25 day test series) are vital and aren't really comparable to any on field role in afl.

 

[aussierulesrules]

What about Mike Hussey captaining the side then?

 

[Hoffy95]

You can't seriously be comparing a test cricket captain and afl captains.

Apples and oranges, tactical skills of a skipper in a 5 day test match(potentially 25 day test series) are vital and aren't really comparable to any on field role in afl.

I'm pointing out that they need to be leaders of men. Inspiring. Get the most out of their team mates. 10 blokes wanting to play for their captain is worth far more than game day tactics.

Talk about being serious. You're the one endorsing Clarke. What a joke.

 

[Hoffy95]

What about Mike Hussey captaining the side then?

I reckon he'd be good but he's not a logical choice at his age.

 

[frankrizzo]

Im not endorsing clarke but in the next 12 months its going to be clarke or ponting that's the reality of it.

Ponting has already stayed on as skipper a year too long, another year of him leading won't help the situation.

 

[Hoffy95]

Im not endorsing clarke but in the next 12 months its going to be clarke or ponting that's the reality of it.

Ponting has already stayed on as skipper a year too long, another year of him leading won't help the situation.

It's better than having Clarke. He shouldn't even be in the side, let alone considered Captain, but yeah, that is the reality of it and the reality really is quite shit.