News Port Adelaide announces co-captains - Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas

Who will be Port Adelaide's captain in 2019

  • Ollie Wines

    Votes: 132 43.4%
  • Tom Jonas

    Votes: 96 31.6%
  • Hamish Hartlett

    Votes: 16 5.3%
  • Robbie Gray

    Votes: 10 3.3%
  • Justin Westhoff

    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • Charlie Dixon

    Votes: 2 0.7%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 29 9.5%
  • No, not them. This guy

    Votes: 14 4.6%

  • Total voters
    304

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Less likely to come back home after your Career probably more than likely you wont. Find a GF from home and chances of coming back post Career are far far higher, more likely than not you will.
What's he on, a 5 year deal? It's not like he has to get married or anything.
 

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I still can't believe we pissed away 150 years of tradition for a guy who's more interested in water skiing than playing football and who can't hit simple handball targets.
While the other one has a red n blue mouth guard maybe you can take the boy out of Norwood but not Norwood out of the boy. As for Ollie’s game last night cast your mind back to TJ’s game v Richmond.

We need so much more from these 2 than what we’re getting.
My fear is that what we’re getting is what we’re going to get with some belligerence thrown in for good measure


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Having calmed down after last night I want to say I love Ollie, but captaincy really doesn't look to be his go.
When Boak took over the job from Cassisi you could instantly see he relished leading from the front. He quite simply dragged us over the line in all of those come from behind wins of 2013, either by throwing himself into the middle and winning clearance after clearance in the final quarter, or demanding the ball and booting massive goals.
Ollie doesn't do those things. That third quarter effort inside 50 where he found himself with the ball in space, on the move, and instead of slamming through an important goal to keep us in the game, his first instinct was to look for a handball so someone else could take the responsibility. Collingwood regathered and ran it down the other end.
A captain simply does not do those things.
 

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Having calmed down after last night I want to say I love Ollie, but captaincy really doesn't look to be his go.
When Boak took over the job from Cassisi you could instantly see he relished leading from the front. He quite simply dragged us over the line in all of those come from behind wins of 2013, either by throwing himself into the middle and winning clearance after clearance in the final quarter, or demanding the ball and booting massive goals.
Ollie doesn't do those things. That third quarter effort inside 50 where he found himself with the ball in space, on the move, and instead of slamming through an important goal to keep us in the game, his first instinct was to look for a handball so someone else could take the responsibility. Collingwood regathered and ran it down the other end.
A captain simply does not do those things.
Well said, Boak nails that goal every time. ITs part of what made him such a great captain. Wines Twice handballs to the opposition.
 

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So far it's unfolding exactly like we thought. An absence of leadership is why this decision was made.
That's why when Boak did that great bit of play and kicked our first goal, my first thought was, the defacto, captain.
 
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Having calmed down after last night I want to say I love Ollie, but captaincy really doesn't look to be his go.
When Boak took over the job from Cassisi you could instantly see he relished leading from the front. He quite simply dragged us over the line in all of those come from behind wins of 2013, either by throwing himself into the middle and winning clearance after clearance in the final quarter, or demanding the ball and booting massive goals.
Ollie doesn't do those things. That third quarter effort inside 50 where he found himself with the ball in space, on the move, and instead of slamming through an important goal to keep us in the game, his first instinct was to look for a handball so someone else could take the responsibility. Collingwood regathered and ran it down the other end.
A captain simply does not do those things.
He had a clear line to goal but decided to fluff a handball to Pendlebury of all players. If there was ever a sign he didn't want it, that was it. Needed to take the bull by the horns and kick for goal. No one would have thought less of him if he missed, that was his moment and he was found wanting.
 

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He had a clear line to goal but decided to fluff a handball to Pendlebury of all players. If there was ever a sign he didn't want it, that was it. Needed to take the bull by the horns and kick for goal. No one would have thought less of him if he missed, that was his moment and he was found wanting.
How many correct decisions has he made since that stupid set shot on goal kick against the crows last year, in the July showdown?? Seems to be trying to match the stupidity of that with something else each game.
 

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How many correct decisions has he made since that stupid set shot on goal kick against the crows last year, in the July showdown?? Seems to be trying to match the stupidity of that with something else each game.
Yep. These aren’t understandable errors of judgment or skill. They are bottom tier brain fades and clangers.
 

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I haven't been able to watch the game yet, so this thought is just from reading comments on bf, mostly the gameday thread. From what has been said about Ollie's game last night and his reaction after the match, it sounds like he was maybe too worried about trying to win the game for Trav, and with the added responsibility of the captaincy (yeah I know - co) that he completely forgot about just trying to play his natural game. It often happens that the harder you try at something the more blunders you make instead of just letting instinct take over. I think he has a huge amount of respect for Boak and would have been desperate to get a win for him.
It may be a sign that he really isn't ready for the captaincy, but it also shows just how much it means to him and it could be character building. The amount of support he gets from his teammates will be important and I think they are a close enough group that he will get that.
 

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What ever happened to the kid of 2013/14 ?
Ate too many pies it seems and didn't improve, but just plateaued.

One of the champion data guys talking to Dwayne Russell in January or February came out and said he is just average because of his poor kicking. Said that improved markedly in 2013+14 but just hasn't improved. His ball winning is above average but disposal efficiency means his overall rating is just average.
 

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Yep. These aren’t understandable errors of judgment or skill. They are bottom tier brain fades and clangers.
Yes they are Peter Burgoyne Brain Fade standard, or worse. But then Peter would go and do something magical to counter balance that. Ollie isn't skilled enough to do the magical.
 

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What ever happened to the kid of 2013/14 ?
His kicking action didn’t change. Presumably he didn’t see it as something to correct. I’ve freeze framed him and at times he releases BOTH hands from the ball at waist height!!!! Mini league stuff. It’s no wonder he doubts himself


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Ollie doesn't do those things. That third quarter effort inside 50 where he found himself with the ball in space, on the move, and instead of slamming through an important goal to keep us in the game, his first instinct was to look for a handball so someone else could take the responsibility. Collingwood regathered and ran it down the other end.
A captain simply does not do those things.
Why do we ****ing do this kind of thing constantly. It pisses me off more than anything else. All this talk about taking the game on, being brave and playing on at all costs and we still **** our pants entering forward 50, just like every other year.
 

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Wines and Jonas were the wrong choices to begin with however our circumstances are depressingly mediocre that outside of Boak we didn't have an option. Boak didn't want it and although I felt it was time for Boak to hand it over I would have attempted to talk him to stay on for another year. Hartlett finally was looking consistent but went down with injury so you couldn't give it to him. Charlie was an outside consideration but went down with injury and so you couldn't consider him. The other experienced decent players are not captain types for reason of age or just their temperament and the same with the younger players. Then there's Ebert but his skills are questionable and he's coming off poor seasons. We basically had nobody but to keep Boak. What a sad state of affairs after all these years.

However, in my view, if the club has balls, it will make drastic changes, and both captains this year will be stood aside to have what could be an emerging captain in Lycett. As long as Lycett doesn't have too many games like last night but I believe he won't. Lycett plays strong, plays with attitude, plays with controlled aggression and can execute the handball and the kick, he can make better decisions, and he can articulate without clichés, in comparison to our current captains. He could be another Primus type leader on the field and he's tasted success. I would make him captain next year if he wanted it but of course the club won't do anything as wild as culling captains after one season.
 
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Having calmed down after last night I want to say I love Ollie, but captaincy really doesn't look to be his go.
When Boak took over the job from Cassisi you could instantly see he relished leading from the front. He quite simply dragged us over the line in all of those come from behind wins of 2013, either by throwing himself into the middle and winning clearance after clearance in the final quarter, or demanding the ball and booting massive goals.
Ollie doesn't do those things. That third quarter effort inside 50 where he found himself with the ball in space, on the move, and instead of slamming through an important goal to keep us in the game, his first instinct was to look for a handball so someone else could take the responsibility. Collingwood regathered and ran it down the other end.
A captain simply does not do those things.
I used this exact example when I was telling a friend about the game this morning. I'm glad that he has such respect for the captaincy and that it hurt him to let us down in that situation but surely that isn't the kind of mental anguish you want if you're out of form. I didn't think he was ready for the captaincy and I was hoping that Boak would hold it a bit longer. And you're absolutely right in that he doesn't provide captain moments (perhaps those marks down the line against Melbourne last year show he could be capable of them) and he won't while he defaults to handball rather than kick, especially if his kicks somehow continue to reduce in effectiveness the way they have been.
 

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Can someone fill me in on what happened with Ollie on the bench??
He didn't sit on the bench. He squatted down in front of it, leant on it and dropped his head. Breathing heavily (exhausted) and shaking his head a bit (probs because of his form, his shoulder and how the team was going). It was a real moment of inner pain and unease. He was devo.
 
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