News Port Adelaide announces co-captains - Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas

Who will be Port Adelaide's captain in 2019

  • Ollie Wines

    Votes: 131 41.5%
  • Tom Jonas

    Votes: 97 30.7%
  • Hamish Hartlett

    Votes: 20 6.3%
  • Robbie Gray

    Votes: 9 2.8%
  • Justin Westhoff

    Votes: 5 1.6%
  • Charlie Dixon

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 36 11.4%
  • No, not them. This guy

    Votes: 16 5.1%

  • Total voters
    316

Kiss from a Rozee

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The anger at Ollie is just so stupid. My guess is 90% of players do something similar, but he gets unlucky and cops 100% of the heat for it.

Giving up a lifelong hobby over a freak accident would be weak as. I’m glad he isn’t doing it so close to the start of the season, but it’s literally pure optics.

Honestly he could probably have just said “I’ll never ski again” and just done it anyway and no one would be the wiser unless he got extremely unlucky and injured himself again.
 

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Its v common for high paid sportspeople to avoid physically dangerous hobbies during their professional careers.

Its disgusting that the standard our co-captains set is that theyll do whatever they ******* want

KTs biggest failings are setting no standards and failing to hold anyone accountable. Its a ******* social club right now.

Trade all our ‘leaders’ to Gold Coast if we can
 

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Its v common for high paid sportspeople to avoid physically dangerous hobbies during their professional careers.

Its disgusting that the standard our co-captains set is that theyll do whatever they ******* want

KTs biggest failings are setting no standards and failing to hold anyone accountable. Its a ******* social club right now.

Trade all our ‘leaders’ to Gold Coast if we can
You could replace "high paid" with "professional" or "driven".

It's pretty clear, from their words and actions, our co-captains are in an environment of low accountability and expectation because every time members, crowds, supporters or the odd media person applies the blow torch, they get very defensive and look to "ignore the outside noise".

Translation, they retreat to their happy place- a Board that puts no real expectation on themselves, the players...or the coach.

I have no doubt, right now, Alberton is full of professional nodders and back slappers.
 

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The anger at Ollie is just so stupid. My guess is 90% of players do something similar, but he gets unlucky and cops 100% of the heat for it.

Giving up a lifelong hobby over a freak accident would be weak as. I’m glad he isn’t doing it so close to the start of the season, but it’s literally pure optics.

Honestly he could probably have just said “I’ll never ski again” and just done it anyway and no one would be the wiser unless he got extremely unlucky and injured himself again.
Hurting yourself on a wakeboard when your doing backflips isn’t a freak accident. It’s common. Severe shoulder injuries and ACLs are two of the most common injuries for advanced wakeboarding. Trying to pass it off as a freak accident is a cop out.
 

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The anger at Ollie is just so stupid. My guess is 90% of players do something similar, but he gets unlucky and cops 100% of the heat for it.

Giving up a lifelong hobby over a freak accident would be weak as. I’m glad he isn’t doing it so close to the start of the season, but it’s literally pure optics.

Honestly he could probably have just said “I’ll never ski again” and just done it anyway and no one would be the wiser unless he got extremely unlucky and injured himself again.
It's literally not optics. Our captain literally missed games and was likely limited in his performance when he did play because of this incident.

It's unprofessional. Full stop. The notion that a professional athlete can maintain hobbies that put his body (the tool of his trade) at risk is absurd. He should be entirely dedicated to his football career at all times - in his hobbies, in what he eats, in what he drinks.

What this incident and the reaction to it by the players and club confirms is what Paul Roos has long said - AFL players are only semi professional. They have an inordinate amount of days off, they have a lengthy off season, they don't behave like professionals with respect to drinking, etc. Of course there are exceptions, guys like Travis Boak for example. But by and large, the behaviours and expectations are semi professional not professional.
 

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Its v common for high paid sportspeople to avoid physically dangerous hobbies during their professional careers.

Its disgusting that the standard our co-captains set is that theyll do whatever they ******* want

KTs biggest failings are setting no standards and failing to hold anyone accountable. Its a ******* social club right now.

Trade all our ‘leaders’ to Gold Coast if we can
This.

A long time ago, in a universe far, far away, I was a competitive swimmer.

Now, I only reached a nationals level, but even back then, as a 16yo, I had to make choices like "Can't go water skiing because State Titles were coming up" or "put the skateboard away until after the National Titles" or other similar sacrifices to achieve the goals I set.

This wasn't even unusual. It was what everyone who was competing did so I struggle to understand how a guy being paid multiple hundreds of thousands a year, sees personal sacrifice (no wake boarding) for the benefit of a greater goal (team premiership) as unnecessary and presents it as a work life balance issue.

It feels like, from the outside, that some of these guys have already met their personal goals of 'being on an AFL list' and 'captaining an AFL club' and now it's party town.
 
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The anger at Ollie is just so stupid. My guess is 90% of players do something similar, but he gets unlucky and cops 100% of the heat for it.

Giving up a lifelong hobby over a freak accident would be weak as. I’m glad he isn’t doing it so close to the start of the season, but it’s literally pure optics.

Honestly he could probably have just said “I’ll never ski again” and just done it anyway and no one would be the wiser unless he got extremely unlucky and injured himself again.
Nah, being a top athlete means you don't eat the dessert, you don't drink the beer, you leave the party early, you don't go waterskiing just before the season.

Being a club captain means you REALLY don't!
 

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Giving up a lifelong hobby over a freak accident would be weak as.
No one's asking him to give up the hobby for life, just whilst he's an AFL player. If players don't want a pay packet many times what they'd otherwise earn, along with the terrible burden of women out of their league otherwise (see Polec, Ling etc.) after them, then they are welcome to play at a lower level.
 

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Its v common for high paid sportspeople to avoid physically dangerous hobbies during their professional careers.

Its disgusting that the standard our co-captains set is that theyll do whatever they ******* want

KTs biggest failings are setting no standards and failing to hold anyone accountable. Its a ******* social club right now.

Trade all our ‘leaders’ to Gold Coast if we can
Is it though? Is that even what they did?

Ollie’s crime was getting injured, he knew the risks involved and took the chance. That’s his choice.

He paid the consequences, and obviously is going to be more careful in future.

Even Travis Boak who is the height of professionalism according to this board, surfs regularly.

Not that surfing is particularly dangerous, but if he did his shoulder surfing you can be sure the reaction would be the same.

It sucks that he got injured, and I’m as pi**ed off as anyone that he had a s**t season, but calling into question his and everyone else’s professionalism is a joke.
 

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This.

A long time ago, in a universe far, far away, I was a competitive swimmer.

Now I only reached a nationals level, but even back then, as a 16yo, I had to make choices like "Can't go water skiing because State Titles were coming up" or "put the skateboard away until after the National Titles" or other similar sacrifices to achieve the goals I set.

This wasn't even unusual. It was what everyone who was competing did so I struggle to understand how a guy being paid multiple hundreds of thousands a year, sees personal sacrifice (no wake boarding) for the benefit of a greater goal (team premiership) as unnecessary and presents it as a work life balance issue.

It feels like, from the outside, that some of these guys have already met their personal goals of 'being on an AFL list' and 'captaining an AFL club' and now it's party town.
You have utterly no idea what the best footballers get up to in their spare time lmao. I’m sure you’d be absolutely horrified.
 

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Is it though? Is that even what they did?

Ollie’s crime was getting injured, he knew the risks involved and took the chance. That’s his choice.

He paid the consequences, and obviously is going to be more careful in future.

Even Travis Boak who is the height of professionalism according to this board, surfs regularly.

Not that surfing is particularly dangerous, but if he did his shoulder surfing you can be sure the reaction would be the same.

It sucks that he got injured, and I’m as pi**ed off as anyone that he had a s**t season, but calling into question his and everyone else’s professionalism is a joke.
There's more than enough evidence, on and off field, to question the professionalism at Port Adelaide in the current era. The lack of professionalism is the joke.
 

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Also it’s just hilarious to see people complaining about Ollie Wines after defending Chad Wingard who was categorically unprofessional when compared to our club standards.

Honestly the hypocrisy isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind, but it’s actually very funny.
You actually highlight the problem. Even worse than the club just having low standards, they're enforced in an unequal manner. You know, Bro Code. Wink, wink, Back slap. Nod.
 

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Ollie’s crime was getting injured, he knew the risks involved and took the chance. That’s his choice.

He paid the consequences, and obviously is going to be more careful in future.
Sorry, what consequences? He was injured and had a s**t year, sure, but what consequences has he copped for unprofessional actions that on this occasion actively harmed the club?

Even now he‘s said he‘s still going to do the same thing that f’ed his shoulder. fu** off.
Even Travis Boak who is the height of professionalism according to this board, surfs regularly.

Not that surfing is particularly dangerous, but if he did his shoulder surfing you can be sure the reaction would be the same.
How weird that something barely tolerable when there‘s no harm done would become less tolerable when a) it hurts team performance and b) sets a ******* s**t example for the rest of the squad AS CAPTAIN and c) the idiot hasnt even learned a lesson from it

It sucks that he got injured, and I’m as pi**ed off as anyone that he had a s**t season, but calling into question his and everyone else’s professionalism is a joke.
His professionalism is no longer in question. Ollie is every bit as unprofessional as a player that turns up to post-Christmas training with a pot belly. Captaincy material? fu** no

Ollie Wines can fu** right off
 

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Also it’s just hilarious to see people complaining about Ollie Wines after defending Chad Wingard who was categorically unprofessional when compared to our club standards.

Honestly the hypocrisy isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind, but it’s actually very funny.
I forgive Wingard for not having a million pressure acts and playing on the playstation because he was one of the best footballers we had on our list bar Robbie and Trav. Wines still needs to prove himself to be an AA standard player like Wingard was. Also added pressure of proving to be worthy of the No.1 jumper and captaincy.
 

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Is it though? Is that even what they did?

Ollie’s crime was getting injured, he knew the risks involved and took the chance. That’s his choice.

He paid the consequences, and obviously is going to be more careful in future.

Even Travis Boak who is the height of professionalism according to this board, surfs regularly.

Not that surfing is particularly dangerous, but if he did his shoulder surfing you can be sure the reaction would be the same.

It sucks that he got injured, and I’m as pi**ed off as anyone that he had a s**t season, but calling into question his and everyone else’s professionalism is a joke.
Do you support him skiing again under the same circumstances in 2020?

If he does do it again and is injured again, if you were his senior coach, would you respond to the masses of supporters' anger with a message of support for what Ollie has done and include a message that supports all of your players placing themselves at similar risk with extreme activities?
 

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I don't get this AFL caper at times. Players such as Ollie need to up their number of kicking and handballing drills but not if it surpasses their allowed quota set by fitness staff and/or the Players Association yet flipping around skiing after having had re-constructive shoulder surgery is 'thumbs up'.
 

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Also it’s just hilarious to see people complaining about Ollie Wines after defending Chad Wingard who was categorically unprofessional when compared to our club standards.

Honestly the hypocrisy isn’t gonna change anyone’s mind, but it’s actually very funny.
Hmm. Might be because Chad Wingard never stuffed up his entire season by his purported 'unprofessionalism'. Oh, and we never made Chad Wingard captain.
 

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Hmm. Might be because Chad Wingard never stuffed up his entire season by his purported 'unprofessionalism'. Oh, and we never made Chad Wingard captain.
Well Chad stuffed up his entire preseason every year by not meeting an elite professional standard. He didn’t do it so dramatically, but he had far more control over that than Wines did his accident. Yes Ollie could have avoided it, but there’s a >90% chance he would have never injured himself his whole career wakeboarding, so it was a risk of failure, rather than the assured failing that not meeting training standards meant for Wingard.

Was he made captain after injuring himself? If so if there was a lesson to learn he’d have already learned it. I can understand why he backed himself in.

The club shouldn’t have made him captain though, I absolutely agree he didn’t handle the pressure at all and had a disastrous year. The co-captaincy was a shambles especially from an aesthetic viewpoint.
 

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The message is very very simple Wines, PULL YOUR HEAD IN OR p**s off.
This is Port Adelaide buster nobody takes the captaincy of this club and treat it with disdain with impunity.
 

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What consequences? We paid the consequences, Ollie still got paid. Still fu**in co-captain. What consequences did he pay?
The consequences?

Missing the preseason
Playing only what? 6 games?
Having to come back through the SANFL twice
Being in s**t form for most games
Letting down the club and his team mates - or at least feeling that way
Feeling like he’s let down himself

All these things are consequences, even the club didn’t pass down any further consequences.
 

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