News Port Adelaide announces co-captains - Ollie Wines and Tom Jonas

[Forzaport]

I can’t remember if I have posted this before but I’m confident that we would have made finals with a single captain despite having Ken as coach. We torched our season before it began.

 

[Tibbs]

I can’t remember if I have posted this before but I’m confident that we would have made finals with a single captain despite having Ken as coach. We torched our season before it began.

It was divisive! Off-field it delivered a crap storm that inundated and distracted the club. It divided and infuriated the supporter base. It brought undue media attention to the newly appointed captains that they weren't expecting, and were unprepared to handle. On field it was a non-event, at best!

Hands down the worst decision the club has ever made, eclipsing the reappointing of Choco and Hinkley IMO. They were seriously bad decisions, but this one tore at, and eroded, the very fabric of the club.

 

[robbo1981]

It was divisive! Off-field it delivered a crap storm that inundated and distracted the club. It divided and infuriated the supporter base. It brought undue media attention to the newly appointed captains that they weren't expecting, and were unprepared to handle. On field it was a non-event, at best!

Hands down the worst decision the club has ever made, eclipsing the reappointing of Choco and Hinkley, IMO. They were seriously bad decisions, but this one tore at, and eroded, the very fabric of the club.

The worse part was they new the members were dead set against it but done it anyway.

 

[Malibu#27]

I can’t remember if I have posted this before but I’m confident that we would have made finals with a single captain despite having Ken as coach. We torched our season before it began.

I’m not a fan of dual captains but I doubt it made one ounce of negative difference on field. Unless it caused divides which it didn’t appear to do.

What it did was divide/ignore the supporter base, and the flow on impact of that.

 

[portly]

Ken Hinkley does not admit mistakes.

He blames the players instead.

 

[Expat power]

I am on record saying that I never thought Boak was a good on-field captain. People forget that he led us through multiple embarrassing capitulations over the years. However, given the current situation, he was still stands head and shoulders over the rest.

Boak plays better when he's not captain, let's leave him to it. There's others who can do the job.

 

[RossFC]

Boak plays better when he's not captain, let's leave him to it. There's others who can do the job.

Is it when he's not captain, or when he's not on the forward flank?

 

[Expat power]

Is it when he's not captain, or when he's not on the forward flank?

Fair point, but he was rotating between forward flank and mid field. I think Boak is fantastic with the media, a genuine great guy, but he seems to feel the outside pressure. Boak has talked openly about his own struggles and methods he's put into place cope with pressure and stress.

 

[MrPlow]

This means our 10th placing now makes us the highest ranking of the 5 teams still running with co captains.

The other 4 finished 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th.

so we’ve got the best co-captains then hey?

 

[Tredrea_Wanganeen_Gray]

Boak was ******* electric in 2013 as captain. It was the position he was playing in not having the C next to his name.

 

[Forzaport]

Another point - the co-captains decision is representative of the types of decisions that have seen us miss finals 4 of the past 5 years.

We’re far better served with a single captain and Ken sacked.

 

[GremioPower]

I’m not a fan of dual captains but I doubt it made one ounce of negative difference on field. Unless it caused divides which it didn’t appear to do.

What it did was divide/ignore the supporter base, and the flow on impact of that.

I believe it is the other way around. Division creates co-captaincy. In our case, it seems that coaches pushed for Ollie, while players wanted Jonas.

The lack of leadership from the coaches (and from the front office, and from the board) resulted in a compromised solution: two captains. To make things worse, the club sold the solution really badly to members.

The whole affair made clear that we have leadership issues. We want to solve it on the field (that's why we brought Rockliff, Thomas, Trengove, etc.), but the problem begins way above the players.

 

[Hammer#8]

What this co-captaincy appointment really illustrates to me is a lack of actual leadership and divides in all the wrong places.

The reason to appoint co-captains was vague at best, the public explanation was certainly not the real reason it was done. Anyone who believes that co-captains would help us win games or because a successful club like the Swans did it is very gullible. It was a lazy sell to the supporter base who I'm glad it was called out almost immediately.

 

[raptalia]

This means our 10th placing now makes us the highest ranking of the 5 teams still running with co captains.

The other 4 finished 15th, 16th, 17th and 18th.

GWS joins the list of clubs that have switched back from Co Captains to a single Captain. The problem is Hinkley is in a situation where he does not want to admit that he got it wrong. Despite the trend toward a single Captain we will hold the line just to save face.

 

[1954]

I’m not a fan of dual captains but I doubt it made one ounce of negative difference on field. Unless it caused divides which it didn’t appear to do.

What it did was divide/ignore the supporter base, and the flow on impact of that.

Agreed there was no obvious on field divide, but there was also no obvious on field leadership, plus Jonas with his arrogance only inflamed the situation, as opposed to a genuine leader who would have been more likely to have chosen his words more carefully in at least an attempt to placate the members and make them more comfortable with the decision.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Think I'd rather no-captains than co-captains.

Tom's a 42. He's no number 1.

 

[Jason K]

I reckon they're gonna stick fat with Co-captains. I reckon they believe this is the tough decision. It really is the most gutless decision they could make though.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I reckon they're gonna stick fat with Co-captains. I reckon they believe this is the tough decision. It really is the most gutless decision they could make though.

I think it is even more gutless than that.

I think they will just do what the players want.

 

[Andre]

I reckon they're gonna stick fat with Co-captains. I reckon they believe this is the tough decision. It really is the most gutless decision they could make though.

Yeah, wait for it to be sold as 'We'll be brave and show the fans that we made the right decision, rather than abandon it as soon as it's hard. That's not the Port Adelaide way!'. Oh the irony it will be.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Think I'd rather no-captains than co-captains.

Tom's a 42. He's no number 1.

Tom Jonas is the answer to the ultimate question in the universe.

“How many cocaptains does it take to win a premiership?”

 

[Willsy10]

Uncontracted player (not captain) doing his due dilligence and assessing what offers are out there vs contracted captain asking his management to actively seek out interest from rival clubs. The difference is enormous.

Contracts don't mean a lot these days, a player can seek out interest and leave at any point so it doesn't really make that much difference to me.

Boak is my favourite Port player but we do know for a fact that Geelong sent the "brass band and shiny buttons" to Adelaide to talk to him during the season in 2012, and we also know KT wasn't happy about it at the time and the supporter base was also on edge about losing their most promising young talent in a dark period. These are facts.

What i'm struggling with is the Wines situation is bereft of any actual facts backing up that he actually did seek out interest from rival clubs, i'm not completely naive so i do believe there is a very strong chance that it happened. However, the manager, club and player all denied it and he is listed to play next year so i've moved on from it.

 

[Rendaw]

The whole point of assistant captains is that they are co-captains

 

[theDuckFarmer]

Tom Jonas is the answer to the ultimate question in the universe.

“How many cocaptains does it take to win a premiership?”

Tom Jonas is the answer to a question no-one asked.

 

[bomberclifford]

Sort of good news on Monday is what I‘m hearing.

 

[manureid]

Sort of good news on Monday is what I‘m hearing.

Sack Hinkley???