Port Adelaide - Can They Hack It In The Big Time League?

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Shane Heard said:
With all this debt why do PA spend money on royalties to INXS so they can play that stupid song?

Doesn’t make financial sense to me.
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why did essendon pay all this money on QCs and lawyers to fight doping charges they knew they were guilty of?

doesnt make financial sense to me
 
parano1a said:
The Norwood-Sturt bid might have been more successful in retrospect...
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Hahah lol, the majority of Adelaide crow Supporters were Sturt and Norwood fans, if either of those two came into the AFL not only would it be highly likely that they wouldn’t have enough supporters to sustain themselves but the Adelaide Crows supporter base would’ve taken a big hit too
 
HighBudget said:
Hahah lol, the majority of Adelaide crow Supporters were Sturt and Norwood fans, if either of those two came into the AFL not only would it be highly likely that they wouldn’t have enough supporters to sustain themselves but the Adelaide Crows supporter base would’ve taken a big hit too
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Actually the majority of the Crows were Norwood and Glenelg fans to be honest. Saying that.... if a 3rd team in SA was established, It might be a southern based side. Like a combined side of South Adelaide, Sturt and Glenelg.
 
Freomaniac said:
Actually the majority of the Crows were Norwood and Glenelg fans to be honest. Saying that.... if a 3rd team in SA was established, It might be a southern based side. Like a combined side of South Adelaide, Sturt and Glenelg.
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Every SANFL side besides Port was either not popular enough to enter the AFL or too detrimental to the Crows support base
 


If only we were innovative enough to sell off our banner for some incomprensible gibberish advertising so that we can hack it in the bigtime league.

Would be so great if we can cut our football budget to zero so that we can tick along with no wins, no fans, and no dignity.

North leading the way again.
 

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sobrave said:


If only we were innovative enough to sell off our banner for some incomprensible gibberish advertising so that we can hack it in the bigtime league.

Would be so great if we can cut our football budget to zero so that we can tick along with no wins, no fans, and no dignity.

North leading the way again.
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You can
 
The 747 said:
A bit of a surprising result given that they had crowds at home and were top of the ladder for most of the year. Can any knowledgeable Port posters fill us in?

As for benefactors, every club has them including North Melbourne.
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Port Adelaide is a real interesting club, both in regard to it's history & its successful SANFL career. It is a SANFL (circa 1877), formative club of the oldest footy code of any kind and preceeded that by 7 years (circa 1870.) Any discussion of S.A. / A.F.L. Footy can not be taken seperately from the SANFL. The SANFL has made it very clear to Victoria, then and now (VFL,) that they were never in favor of a Victorian based competition. The SANFL's own marketing research demonstrated that a 12 team national competition would or could be sustainable under its own financial power. The SANFL never consisdered that any SANFL franchise would be finacially viable at a national level...so why?
1. higher expeses (re Travel and venue upgrades)
2. Away crowds were an unknown quantity. (eg State games between SA and Victoria had a stong attendance in matches in SA while in Victoria they were generally poorly attended, and between other states principaly the WAFL attendance at these matches was generally poor in comparison with local home and away games. So the enthusiasm in SA for interstate matches was in gerneral poor, with travel and expenses prohibative beyond limited Champ of Australia games between premiers of four states, Vic, WA, SA and Tas.
3. Adelaide Crows are only in the AFL because of Port Adelaide's push to join the AFL, a bid in which the SANFL was blind sided by Port Adelaide.
4. Adelaide joined first, because the SANFL was prepared to dismantle the then "Player Retention Scheme," which was obstensively a Super Annuation for markee players willing to play out there careers in the SANFL and resist the lure of dollars from interstate. This brought the market rate for SA based stars down to draft participation only $$$$ (reduced VFL club financial burdens).
5. The status of VFL was built on their top clubs that had bolstered their ranks with top interstate players. Lower clubs at that time such as South Melbourne, Fitzroy and Footscray who could not afford these markee players are unlikely to have been successful in the SANFL as these teams were ineffective in the VFL at that time.


So where does this leave Port Adelaide today?

Port Adelaide has been cut off at its roots. What does this mean? They like all AFL based teams do not have a recruiting zone....they have lost their abilty to excersise quality control. i.e players are not "in-cultured" into the Port Adelaide culture as they were before 1996. They are now soley reliant on tallent identification and moulding that into a team culture that an incoming player can not understand as well as player born and raised through the Port Adelaide Football club. So they can have (and do have) great players, (Charlie Dixon) but they wont have the committment to the colours compared with Scott Hodges or Tim Evans. Port Adelaide's Recruiting Zone is now in the hands of SANFL club "Woodville/West Torrens." Doesn't mean that Charlie doesn't want to win matches , he's just not as hurt by the losses as Scott and Tim would be. Charlie would move to another club if things wern't turning out, Scott and Tim wouldn't be able to separate themselves from Port Adelaide. Scott's career when he did move to the Crows due to his emense tallent, and the trama that this move inflicted upon him, is case in point. If he was spear heading Port in the AFL you would have seen a completely different and dominant beast, more than deffinitely in league with Tony Modra who eventually replaced him.

There are more issues that relate to this. Port are leaving their history behind as they motor off into the future. Some connection to their roots has been grudgingly conceeded to Port Adelaide by the SANFL as they have allowed both AFL clubs Port Power and the Adelaide Crows to participate in the SANFL competition largely enabling them to develop their player lists for another competition. This appears to be a very generous offer by the SANFL, but in reality players moving between the two competitions was a nightmare to manage for the SANFL clubs, and suddenly not to have a top field player available due to call up was too impactful on the competition as a whole.

The next problem for Port Adelaide is that its following at SANFL has fallen away as a result of their relentless pursuit of making a similar mark in the AFL as they did in the SANFL. This is a real issue for them because it shows that the club cannot generate grassroots interest and passion from within their own region of birth. This is not the case at the Parade, Unley or the Bay. In the SANFL the Power Parades as the Magpies, but the members belong largely to the AFL's Power, so these supporters are generally not that interested in the Magpies, so who then are the Magpie supporters? In a pasionate club, the Magpies should be over-whelming the support from the Parade (Norwood), Unley (Sturt) or the Bay (Glenelg). I mention this because these are the three clubs that the Magpies have relinquished SANFL titles to in the past ten years. So although having won an AFL premiership in 2004 and a runner up in 2007, they have no "Thomas Seymore Hill" sheild since 1996 which was a threepeat, and the year they entered the AFL. So winning SANFL titles is a tough task if your supporters do not turn up week after week, through think and thin, and turning up in less than capacity numbers on the big day, (adelaide Oval holds 50,000 plus and the three GF's with Port Adelaide Magpies attracted around 40,000 each) won't cut the mustard, there could have been at least another 10,000 more Magpie supporters at those GF's and two of those GF's were lost by less than one kick. Do your own math here......??

And now you know why the Prison Bars Gurnsey in the AFL is so important to the identity of the Port Adelaide Football Club, and why life in the AFL is such a difficult ballacing act for them. As for ability, there is enough tallent in the SANFL that can be competive with the Power or the Crows on the field on any given day. A match between AFL SA and the SANFL has IMO a mouth-watering prospect? Only, would the AFL allow such a match to be played.....it would make a great ANZAC day feature match back at the Adelaide Oval with free admission for Vetrans and their familties.
 
Blues Man said:
Port Adelaide is a real interesting club, both in regard to it's history & its successful SANFL career. It is a SANFL (circa 1877), formative club of the oldest footy code of any kind and preceeded that by 7 years (circa 1870.) Any discussion of S.A. / A.F.L. Footy can not be taken seperately from the SANFL. The SANFL has made it very clear to Victoria, then and now (VFL,) that they were never in favor of a Victorian based competition. The SANFL's own marketing research demonstrated that a 12 team national competition would or could be sustainable under its own financial power. The SANFL never consisdered that any SANFL franchise would be finacially viable at a national level...so why?
1. higher expeses (re Travel and venue upgrades)
2. Away crowds were an unknown quantity. (eg State games between SA and Victoria had a stong attendance in matches in SA while in Victoria they were generally poorly attended, and between other states principaly the WAFL attendance at these matches was generally poor in comparison with local home and away games. So the enthusiasm in SA for interstate matches was in gerneral poor, with travel and expenses prohibative beyond limited Champ of Australia games between premiers of four states, Vic, WA, SA and Tas.
3. Adelaide Crows are only in the AFL because of Port Adelaide's push to join the AFL, a bid in which the SANFL was blind sided by Port Adelaide.
4. Adelaide joined first, because the SANFL was prepared to dismantle the then "Player Retention Scheme," which was obstensively a Super Annuation for markee players willing to play out there careers in the SANFL and resist the lure of dollars from interstate. This brought the market rate for SA based stars down to draft participation only $$$$ (reduced VFL club financial burdens).
5. The status of VFL was built on their top clubs that had bolstered their ranks with top interstate players. Lower clubs at that time such as South Melbourne, Fitzroy and Footscray who could not afford these markee players are unlikely to have been successful in the SANFL as these teams were ineffective in the VFL at that time.


So where does this leave Port Adelaide today?

Port Adelaide has been cut off at its roots. What does this mean? They like all AFL based teams do not have a recruiting zone....they have lost their abilty to excersise quality control. i.e players are not "in-cultured" into the Port Adelaide culture as they were before 1996. They are now soley reliant on tallent identification and moulding that into a team culture that an incoming player can not understand as well as player born and raised through the Port Adelaide Football club. So they can have (and do have) great players, (Charlie Dixon) but they wont have the committment to the colours compared with Scott Hodges or Tim Evans. Port Adelaide's Recruiting Zone is now in the hands of SANFL club "Woodville/West Torrens." Doesn't mean that Charlie doesn't want to win matches , he's just not as hurt by the losses as Scott and Tim would be. Charlie would move to another club if things wern't turning out, Scott and Tim wouldn't be able to separate themselves from Port Adelaide. Scott's career when he did move to the Crows due to his emense tallent, and the trama that this move inflicted upon him, is case in point. If he was spear heading Port in the AFL you would have seen a completely different and dominant beast, more than deffinitely in league with Tony Modra who eventually replaced him.

There are more issues that relate to this. Port are leaving their history behind as they motor off into the future. Some connection to their roots has been grudgingly conceeded to Port Adelaide by the SANFL as they have allowed both AFL clubs Port Power and the Adelaide Crows to participate in the SANFL competition largely enabling them to develop their player lists for another competition. This appears to be a very generous offer by the SANFL, but in reality players moving between the two competitions was a nightmare to manage for the SANFL clubs, and suddenly not to have a top field player available due to call up was too impactful on the competition as a whole.

The next problem for Port Adelaide is that its following at SANFL has fallen away as a result of their relentless pursuit of making a similar mark in the AFL as they did in the SANFL. This is a real issue for them because it shows that the club cannot generate grassroots interest and passion from within their own region of birth. This is not the case at the Parade, Unley or the Bay. In the SANFL the Power Parades as the Magpies, but the members belong largely to the AFL's Power, so these supporters are generally not that interested in the Magpies, so who then are the Magpie supporters? In a pasionate club, the Magpies should be over-whelming the support from the Parade (Norwood), Unley (Sturt) or the Bay (Glenelg). I mention this because these are the three clubs that the Magpies have relinquished SANFL titles to in the past ten years. So although having won an AFL premiership in 2004 and a runner up in 2007, they have no "Thomas Seymore Hill" sheild since 1996 which was a threepeat, and the year they entered the AFL. So winning SANFL titles is a tough task if your supporters do not turn up week after week, through think and thin, and turning up in less than capacity numbers on the big day, (adelaide Oval holds 50,000 plus and the three GF's with Port Adelaide Magpies attracted around 40,000 each) won't cut the mustard, there could have been at least another 10,000 more Magpie supporters at those GF's and two of those GF's were lost by less than one kick. Do your own math here......??

And now you know why the Prison Bars Gurnsey in the AFL is so important to the identity of the Port Adelaide Football Club, and why life in the AFL is such a difficult ballacing act for them. As for ability, there is enough tallent in the SANFL that can be competive with the Power or the Crows on the field on any given day. A match between AFL SA and the SANFL has IMO a mouth-watering prospect? Only, would the AFL allow such a match to be played.....it would make a great ANZAC day feature match back at the Adelaide Oval with free admission for Vetrans and their familties.
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Interesting post, thanks.
 
north_lad said:
judging by yesterday we aren't paying any skills coaches
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So north are underfunded on the coaches part?

Still remember that 2011-2012 period when port had Matthew Primus as coach. They the only side in the AFL at The time with no midfield coach.

Hell they had Dean Laidley as a part-time assistant coach where he lived in Adelaide for 6 months of the year and in Melbourne in the off season.
 
Freomaniac said:
So north are underfunded on the coaches part?

Still remember that 2011-2012 period when port had Matthew Primus as coach. They the only side in the AFL at The time with no midfield coach.

Hell they had Dean Laidley as a part-time assistant coach where he lived in Adelaide for 6 months of the year and in Melbourne in the off season.
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Really I was just making a gag. We were kicking it out of bounds under no pressure and hitting Collingwood players on the chest. Just compared what we have on our website to our opponent from the weekend.

www.nmfc.com.au

Official AFL Website of the North Melbourne Football Club

The official AFL website of the North Melbourne Football Club
www.nmfc.com.au www.nmfc.com.au

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Official AFL Website of the Collingwood Football Club

The official AFL website of the Collingwood Football Club
www.collingwoodfc.com.au www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Theirs only lists Bucks, Sando and Banger Harvey, that can't be right? We have 8 blokes. I want one of those bucket hats. Dunno what Heath Younie is doing with the forwards (or who the * Heath Younie is) but it ain't working.
 
sobrave said:
They sold home games interstate for years, pimped out their banners and get propped up by the afl to the tune of millions each year
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Luckily Port has always stuck to their home market, in China.
 
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