Port Adelaide - Can They Hack It In The Big Time League?

[sobrave]

Luckily Port has always stuck to their home market, in China.

pay that

 

[edgie]

Port Adelaide is a real interesting club, both in regard to it's history & its successful SANFL career. It is a SANFL (circa 1877), formative club of the oldest footy code of any kind and preceeded that by 7 years (circa 1870.) Any discussion of S.A. / A.F.L. Footy can not be taken seperately from the SANFL. The SANFL has made it very clear to Victoria, then and now (VFL,) that they were never in favor of a Victorian based competition. The SANFL's own marketing research demonstrated that a 12 team national competition would or could be sustainable under its own financial power. The SANFL never consisdered that any SANFL franchise would be finacially viable at a national level...so why?
1. higher expeses (re Travel and venue upgrades)
2. Away crowds were an unknown quantity. (eg State games between SA and Victoria had a stong attendance in matches in SA while in Victoria they were generally poorly attended, and between other states principaly the WAFL attendance at these matches was generally poor in comparison with local home and away games. So the enthusiasm in SA for interstate matches was in gerneral poor, with travel and expenses prohibative beyond limited Champ of Australia games between premiers of four states, Vic, WA, SA and Tas.
3. Adelaide Crows are only in the AFL because of Port Adelaide's push to join the AFL, a bid in which the SANFL was blind sided by Port Adelaide.
4. Adelaide joined first, because the SANFL was prepared to dismantle the then "Player Retention Scheme," which was obstensively a Super Annuation for markee players willing to play out there careers in the SANFL and resist the lure of dollars from interstate. This brought the market rate for SA based stars down to draft participation only $$$$ (reduced VFL club financial burdens).
5. The status of VFL was built on their top clubs that had bolstered their ranks with top interstate players. Lower clubs at that time such as South Melbourne, Fitzroy and Footscray who could not afford these markee players are unlikely to have been successful in the SANFL as these teams were ineffective in the VFL at that time.


So where does this leave Port Adelaide today?

Port Adelaide has been cut off at its roots. What does this mean? They like all AFL based teams do not have a recruiting zone....they have lost their abilty to excersise quality control. i.e players are not "in-cultured" into the Port Adelaide culture as they were before 1996. They are now soley reliant on tallent identification and moulding that into a team culture that an incoming player can not understand as well as player born and raised through the Port Adelaide Football club. So they can have (and do have) great players, (Charlie Dixon) but they wont have the committment to the colours compared with Scott Hodges or Tim Evans. Port Adelaide's Recruiting Zone is now in the hands of SANFL club "Woodville/West Torrens." Doesn't mean that Charlie doesn't want to win matches , he's just not as hurt by the losses as Scott and Tim would be. Charlie would move to another club if things wern't turning out, Scott and Tim wouldn't be able to separate themselves from Port Adelaide. Scott's career when he did move to the Crows due to his emense tallent, and the trama that this move inflicted upon him, is case in point. If he was spear heading Port in the AFL you would have seen a completely different and dominant beast, more than deffinitely in league with Tony Modra who eventually replaced him.

There are more issues that relate to this. Port are leaving their history behind as they motor off into the future. Some connection to their roots has been grudgingly conceeded to Port Adelaide by the SANFL as they have allowed both AFL clubs Port Power and the Adelaide Crows to participate in the SANFL competition largely enabling them to develop their player lists for another competition. This appears to be a very generous offer by the SANFL, but in reality players moving between the two competitions was a nightmare to manage for the SANFL clubs, and suddenly not to have a top field player available due to call up was too impactful on the competition as a whole.

The next problem for Port Adelaide is that its following at SANFL has fallen away as a result of their relentless pursuit of making a similar mark in the AFL as they did in the SANFL. This is a real issue for them because it shows that the club cannot generate grassroots interest and passion from within their own region of birth. This is not the case at the Parade, Unley or the Bay. In the SANFL the Power Parades as the Magpies, but the members belong largely to the AFL's Power, so these supporters are generally not that interested in the Magpies, so who then are the Magpie supporters? In a pasionate club, the Magpies should be over-whelming the support from the Parade (Norwood), Unley (Sturt) or the Bay (Glenelg). I mention this because these are the three clubs that the Magpies have relinquished SANFL titles to in the past ten years. So although having won an AFL premiership in 2004 and a runner up in 2007, they have no "Thomas Seymore Hill" sheild since 1996 which was a threepeat, and the year they entered the AFL. So winning SANFL titles is a tough task if your supporters do not turn up week after week, through think and thin, and turning up in less than capacity numbers on the big day, (adelaide Oval holds 50,000 plus and the three GF's with Port Adelaide Magpies attracted around 40,000 each) won't cut the mustard, there could have been at least another 10,000 more Magpie supporters at those GF's and two of those GF's were lost by less than one kick. Do your own math here......??

And now you know why the Prison Bars Gurnsey in the AFL is so important to the identity of the Port Adelaide Football Club, and why life in the AFL is such a difficult ballacing act for them. As for ability, there is enough tallent in the SANFL that can be competive with the Power or the Crows on the field on any given day. A match between AFL SA and the SANFL has IMO a mouth-watering prospect? Only, would the AFL allow such a match to be played.....it would make a great ANZAC day feature match back at the Adelaide Oval with free admission for Vetrans and their familties.

I don't even know where to start and I don't have time, it all went downhill fast after the Hodges bit.

 

[jakson68]

Port Adelaide is a real interesting club, both in regard to it's history & its successful SANFL career. It is a SANFL (circa 1877), formative club of the oldest footy code of any kind and preceeded that by 7 years (circa 1870.) Any discussion of S.A. / A.F.L. Footy can not be taken seperately from the SANFL. The SANFL has made it very clear to Victoria, then and now (VFL,) that they were never in favor of a Victorian based competition. The SANFL's own marketing research demonstrated that a 12 team national competition would or could be sustainable under its own financial power. The SANFL never consisdered that any SANFL franchise would be finacially viable at a national level...so why?
1. higher expeses (re Travel and venue upgrades)
2. Away crowds were an unknown quantity. (eg State games between SA and Victoria had a stong attendance in matches in SA while in Victoria they were generally poorly attended, and between other states principaly the WAFL attendance at these matches was generally poor in comparison with local home and away games. So the enthusiasm in SA for interstate matches was in gerneral poor, with travel and expenses prohibative beyond limited Champ of Australia games between premiers of four states, Vic, WA, SA and Tas.
3. Adelaide Crows are only in the AFL because of Port Adelaide's push to join the AFL, a bid in which the SANFL was blind sided by Port Adelaide.
4. Adelaide joined first, because the SANFL was prepared to dismantle the then "Player Retention Scheme," which was obstensively a Super Annuation for markee players willing to play out there careers in the SANFL and resist the lure of dollars from interstate. This brought the market rate for SA based stars down to draft participation only $$$$ (reduced VFL club financial burdens).
5. The status of VFL was built on their top clubs that had bolstered their ranks with top interstate players. Lower clubs at that time such as South Melbourne, Fitzroy and Footscray who could not afford these markee players are unlikely to have been successful in the SANFL as these teams were ineffective in the VFL at that time.


So where does this leave Port Adelaide today?

Port Adelaide has been cut off at its roots. What does this mean? They like all AFL based teams do not have a recruiting zone....they have lost their abilty to excersise quality control. i.e players are not "in-cultured" into the Port Adelaide culture as they were before 1996. They are now soley reliant on tallent identification and moulding that into a team culture that an incoming player can not understand as well as player born and raised through the Port Adelaide Football club. So they can have (and do have) great players, (Charlie Dixon) but they wont have the committment to the colours compared with Scott Hodges or Tim Evans. Port Adelaide's Recruiting Zone is now in the hands of SANFL club "Woodville/West Torrens." Doesn't mean that Charlie doesn't want to win matches , he's just not as hurt by the losses as Scott and Tim would be. Charlie would move to another club if things wern't turning out, Scott and Tim wouldn't be able to separate themselves from Port Adelaide. Scott's career when he did move to the Crows due to his emense tallent, and the trama that this move inflicted upon him, is case in point. If he was spear heading Port in the AFL you would have seen a completely different and dominant beast, more than deffinitely in league with Tony Modra who eventually replaced him.

There are more issues that relate to this. Port are leaving their history behind as they motor off into the future. Some connection to their roots has been grudgingly conceeded to Port Adelaide by the SANFL as they have allowed both AFL clubs Port Power and the Adelaide Crows to participate in the SANFL competition largely enabling them to develop their player lists for another competition. This appears to be a very generous offer by the SANFL, but in reality players moving between the two competitions was a nightmare to manage for the SANFL clubs, and suddenly not to have a top field player available due to call up was too impactful on the competition as a whole.

The next problem for Port Adelaide is that its following at SANFL has fallen away as a result of their relentless pursuit of making a similar mark in the AFL as they did in the SANFL. This is a real issue for them because it shows that the club cannot generate grassroots interest and passion from within their own region of birth. This is not the case at the Parade, Unley or the Bay. In the SANFL the Power Parades as the Magpies, but the members belong largely to the AFL's Power, so these supporters are generally not that interested in the Magpies, so who then are the Magpie supporters? In a pasionate club, the Magpies should be over-whelming the support from the Parade (Norwood), Unley (Sturt) or the Bay (Glenelg). I mention this because these are the three clubs that the Magpies have relinquished SANFL titles to in the past ten years. So although having won an AFL premiership in 2004 and a runner up in 2007, they have no "Thomas Seymore Hill" sheild since 1996 which was a threepeat, and the year they entered the AFL. So winning SANFL titles is a tough task if your supporters do not turn up week after week, through think and thin, and turning up in less than capacity numbers on the big day, (adelaide Oval holds 50,000 plus and the three GF's with Port Adelaide Magpies attracted around 40,000 each) won't cut the mustard, there could have been at least another 10,000 more Magpie supporters at those GF's and two of those GF's were lost by less than one kick. Do your own math here......??

And now you know why the Prison Bars Gurnsey in the AFL is so important to the identity of the Port Adelaide Football Club, and why life in the AFL is such a difficult ballacing act for them. As for ability, there is enough tallent in the SANFL that can be competive with the Power or the Crows on the field on any given day. A match between AFL SA and the SANFL has IMO a mouth-watering prospect? Only, would the AFL allow such a match to be played.....it would make a great ANZAC day feature match back at the Adelaide Oval with free admission for Vetrans and their familties.

You lost me at "Port Adelaide is a real interesting club"

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

Theirs only lists Bucks, Sando and Banger Harvey, that can't be right? We have 8 blokes. I want one of those bucket hats. Dunno what Heath Younie is doing with the forwards (or who the fu** Heath Younie is) but it ain't working.

Have a mate that has a fair bit to do with Heath through North Adelaide and got to spend a bit of time with and around him. He has a pretty good understanding of the game, individual patterns, and team mosaic. One of the strong points of Heath is that he will express an opinion, but if a decision is made contrary to his advice, he will bust his ass to implement the agreed plan.

If the forwards are lacking, it may on field personal or overall plan rather than Heath.

 

[north_lad]

Have a mate that has a fair bit to do with Heath through North Adelaide and got to spend a bit of time with and around him. He has a pretty good understanding of the game, individual patterns, and team mosaic. One of the strong points of Heath is that he will express an opinion, but if a decision is made contrary to his advice, he will bust his ass to implement the agreed plan.

If the forwards are lacking, it may on field personal or overall plan rather than Heath.

Our plan seems to be to clear the zone and expose the space behind the contest, but Larkey isn't fit/fast enough to get out the back. As a result he is continually caught behind his opponent if the ball is coming in low, not strong enough to beat his opponent and take a contested mark, and can't get onto the ball quick enough if it gets out the back. Probably not much Heath can do about any of that

 

[Duckimus Prime]

The next problem for Port Adelaide is that its following at SANFL has fallen away as a result of their relentless pursuit of making a similar mark in the AFL as they did in the SANFL. This is a real issue for them because it shows that the club cannot generate grassroots interest and passion from within their own region of birth. This is not the case at the Parade, Unley or the Bay.

Port Adelaide doesn't have separate membership categories for the SANFL and AFL. So Port has a 50k membership that vastly dwarves the combined total of all the other SANFL clubs combined.

I mention this because these are the three clubs that the Magpies have relinquished SANFL titles to in the past ten years.

Yeah its almost like Port and the Adelaide operate under a bunch of rules that cripple them.
They're forced to play all AFL listed players during the season, with top up players only being allowed to make up the numbers. This can result in the AFL reserves having to play ridiculously unbalanced sides.

And the restrictions on those top up players are ridiculous in comparision to other SANFL clubs. Oh but when Finals come around... then all of sudden the number of listed AFL players is limited.

In 2017, we saw Port players become become inelligible on the Friday night before a game the next day, simply because West Coast won the AFL Elimination Final. The team had to go through 5 or 6 changes over.

Its the perfect set up for the irrelevant SANFL clubs. When they manage to get up with all the advantages given to them over the AFL reserves sides, they get to cheer about how their now beating the Port Adelaide that has tormented them for decades. And if they lose, well its just dismissed because "they're the Power reserves, and AFL advantage".

And yet despite this, Port has still made three Grand Finals.

it would make a great ANZAC day feature match back at the Adelaide Oval with free admission for Vetrans and their familties.

The SANFL has a perfectly good ANZAC Day tradition in the rematch between the previous seasons Grand Finalists. Two teams earn the opportunity to pay respects to the ANZACs on the day.

 

[Schulzenfest]

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

No

 

[Engimal v3]

No

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[nut]

Must be great deal they have at Adelaide oval ...

 

[edgie]

Theoretically Adelaide should be in West Coast's league of off field strength, but here we are.

Imagine how bad footy park was.

 

[Papa G]

/Thread

Think you best just leave it mate. It will be better for you to look at positive things. Focusing on the negative and faux bravado on the interwebz, considering what you are and what you suffer from just may not be the best thing for you. Go take a walk in that lovely Tasmanian wilderness. Get some fresh air. It'll do you wonders.

 

[Engimal v3]

Think you best just leave it mate. It will be better for you to look at positive things. Focusing on the negative and faux bravado on the interwebz, considering what you are and what you suffer from just may not be the best thing for you. Go take a walk in that lovely Tasmanian wilderness. Get some fresh air. It'll do you wonders.

No

 

[Juddernaut08]

Time for an honest discussion about Port Adelaide as an AFL club.

Power left with $12 million debt as virus fallout takes toll

Port Adelaide Power have revealed a “significant” increase in debt but chairman David Koch says the playing squad is again ready to challenge for a premiership.

www.theage.com.au

Port have needed bailouts before. Is another justified?

Why can small Melbourne clubs like the Dogs and North get their debt down to zero but Port's balloons again?

Is Port Adelaide a great SANFL club that frankly belongs in the SANFL?

Is South Australia naturally a one team state?

Is the game better off acknowledging that small states like South Australia and Tasmania can only support one team and moving the pieces on the board to reflect this by taking Port's licence and giving it to Tassie?

This is a fantastic post

 

[Percel]

No

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[Freomaniac]

Port are going to belt us tomorrow

 

[sobrave]

Port are going to belt us tomorrow

Lol on exposed form it will be a dour struggle and very ugly game where neither team can score much. Freo by 11.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Just checking in how this thread is going for the OP

 

[GoldbergsGold]

The Brisbane Lions and St Kilda have even bigger debts than Port, and haven't been ridiculed on here. So is this thread just to rile up Port fans? Because all it takes is mentioning the number 119, Est 1997 and "Port Power" to make them lose it...

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The Brisbane Lions and St Kilda have even bigger debts than Port, and haven't been ridiculed on here. So is this thread just to rile up Port fans? Because all it takes is mentioning the number 119, Est 1997 and "Port Power" to make them lose it...

Yes, it's to rile up Port fans. OP is a pathetic troll who tries to distract from any bad news for their club by trying to bring others down.

People don't ridicule the Lions because they understand that we play in Queensland and we sucked for almost a full decade, but had success and good crowds before that. And there's no suggestion of relocation or folding because Brisbane is too big a market for the league to ever abandon.

 

[demondavey]

/Thread

Callum Urch

 

[demondavey]

They’ve been hacking it pretty well. PF, most likely off to a GF.

 

[BF Tiger]

OP will be questioning Hawthorn soon. No finals in years, rookie coach, poor playing list, hothead president, Dingley commitment… meanwhile North continue to save the league (and Hawthorn) by playing Sunday twilight games at Docklands.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

OP will be questioning Hawthorn soon. No finals in years, rookie coach, poor playing list, hothead president, Dingley commitment… meanwhile North continue to save the league (and Hawthorn) by playing Sunday twilight games at Docklands.

I'd be spewing if I were a Hawks supporter after firing their greatest coach ever for someone with no experience.

 

[Engimal v3]

No imo