Port Adelaide - Club in Crisis?

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Posted this in the burgers 3 clkub thread, more relevant here:

That's what I think too. The media and managers are deplorable at the best of times but this time of the year it's even worse!

It's like Port is in turmoil. Depends on which way you look at it. I don't think we are.

We had debt, that problem has been solved.

We had an overpaid coach with assistants that we could question wasn't actually working. Our coach took a paycut for the better good of the club, seems a selfless act in itself and we are likely to attain a recent head coach who is an expert in tactics, which is what we all identified the club needed.

Our young players such as Pearce, Surjan, Chaplin , Carlisle, Ebert, Rodan all signed new contracts during the year or now with more signings to come.

Our older players are playing on if required to help the young players eg Tredrea and Brogan.

Our gutless players who can't handle the heat are leaving eg Shaun, could chop a tag, can't handle heat so leaves, seems to be in his personality doesn't it.

We accepted a marketing strategy our hard core supporter base loves and agrees with.

Our CEO has come out saying he isn't going anywhere.

A new strategy is in place to either relocate to the city centre 5 years in advance from our main rival (still rumour) but enough to be uplifting.

So other than our onfield results, which could be due to the youth in our side, our club realistically isn't in that much turmoil. Not as much as the media make it out to be anyway. As for crowds they will return when we starting playing consistent footy, it's just a matter of convincing to come in the bad times, but weather and foxtel or live against the gate don't help.

We still have over 30,000 members we should be enough for any club to survive.

Is it a club really in turmoil?
 

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Does the club know where these people moved to? Another poster mentioned a move overseas. I'm not sure how the club would contact someone to survey them, unless they have updated contact details, and if the club knows that someone has moved away from Adelaide, it's pretty obvious why they haven't renewed.
Good point........but the club only has their mobile numbers.....no landlines.
 

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So why has Collingwood gone from strength to strength with minimal ultimate success over the last 15 or last 50 years? They rely on their history, they rely on their past strengths, they are proud of their heritage and fight for their rights!

Same as us, expcept we have out hands tied behind our back on so many issues.

Personally it's a silly arguement and an arguement done to death. if we are to have two consortium clubs representing SA, it shows how weak minded people have become here.

So much jealousy from Crows supporters because our club got in, it has to be undermined or critised at every opportunity. Keep it up PAFC 1870 for me :)

Bring back the P.B at home and our current home top as our away strip and I will be back in heaven :)
ultimate success and succes are not the same thing though. Collingwood apart from the Tony Shaw years haven't been too bad, and in the mid to late 70's through to the early 80's they were very strong just kept losing GF's. Collingwood fans were born into like Port fans are or were attracted to the fact they won so often, albeit not on the day it mattered.

It's not jealousy at all, Port were a very obvious choice, there has been no clearer choice on-field apart from 2000 onwards with Centrals, who apart from having a a huge area for growth potential, currently don't have the numbers if a 3rd license came up.

My point was that the Live the Creed campaign didn't alienate neutrals, it wasn't aimed at them it was aimed at the disenfranchised, sure it may get a few hundred interested but that campaign was about 100,000 people capable of becoming Port financial members that are existing supporters. It wouldn't have truly attracted neutrals, but not alienated them either if you get what I am saying, because it was designed for someone else in mind.
 

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Ah hah :eek:

So you are the dastardly one who enticed a certain crow supporter to switch clubs :cool:

Good work :thumbsu:
I was definitely trying..... not sure it was my efforts though.

Now Noddy, look into my eyes.......feel the force of the dark side Noddy...it beckons....feel the sweet sweet taste of the darkside...:D
 

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except, DT how many truly neutrals care about that?
More than you obviously want to give credit for. We've got a few guys on this board (christoh and sog35?) who supported North and West in the SANFL but became Port men because of the club versus conglomerate aspect, for instance.

How many 7yo kids care about that? *snip*
Troy, 11, designs Port guernsey

Marlon, 10, designs Port guernsey

Lucy, 7, designs Port guernsey

We're aiming where we have to aim and doing it in quite a unique and innovative way.

Again, my argument is against this laughable suggestion that the Creed and everything Port Adelaide is wrong for Port Adelaide. It's ridiculous.

Fremantle wear purple, have achieved three fifths of sweet **** all and still are growing, they are clearly doing something right off-field.
WA has a bigger population, more money and a smaller stadium. The thing that is missed about Freo though is they still represent a location, a region.

When Port went hard trying to copy their model they forgot this - cue John James spouting some bullshit about Kentucky Fried Chicken being KFC in tyring to spruik the 'Power FC' brand because it's not 'geographically constraining'.
 

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More than you obviously want to give credit for. We've got a few guys on this board (christoh and sog35?) who supported North and West in the SANFL but became Port men because of the club versus conglomerate aspect, for instance.
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and Jumbo (Sturt) etc, but these are not in the 10's of thousands of members, and they are also mostly 'foundation' Power supporters. I don't think you are now going to get a 30yo South Adelaide supporter decide to start following Port now for example.

And the kid designed jumpers proves my point, none of those jumpers have anything to do with 'tradition' and 'history'. One includes your 1997 logo, one has a lightning bolt on it and mostly black "State" jumper style with the current logo on it, albeit it's awesome, but none of them scream Port's tradition, they go off to Primary Schools, give them a brief about colours etc and to go for it.

Getting kids to design things is a great way to get their interest, anyone who is a parent can tell you that, but I don't think that suggests that 7yo's are attracted to football team because of a traditional ad campaign, a cool competition, sure.
 

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and Jumbo (Sturt) etc, but these are not in the 10's of thousands of members, and they are also mostly 'foundation' Power supporters. I don't think you are now going to get a 30yo South Adelaide supporter decide to start following Port now for example.

And the kid designed jumpers proves my point, none of those jumpers have anything to do with 'tradition' and 'history'. One includes your 1997 logo, one has a lightning bolt on it and mostly black "State" jumper style with the current logo on it, albeit it's awesome, but none of them scream Port's tradition, they go off to Primary Schools, give them a brief about colours etc and to go for it.

Getting kids to design things is a great way to get their interest, anyone who is a parent can tell you that, but I don't think that suggests that 7yo's are attracted to football team because of a traditional ad campaign, a cool competition, sure.

I have a video at home that i could show 20 teenagers who are sports minded, and i could bet my balls that half of them would be hooked on following Port Adelaide Football Club.

Its the promotional video of PAFC when we tried to enter the AFL. It shows the history and what the club is about. Its all it takes.
 

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I was definitely trying..... not sure it was my efforts though.

Now Noddy, look into my eyes.......feel the force of the dark side Noddy...it beckons....feel the sweet sweet taste of the darkside...:D
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Dont look Noddy be brave hang on im comming :D

Robin To the batpoles :)
 

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If we can wear the prison bars at home even with some slight teal (like lucy's over rated design) then watch the crowds embrace the team again. Something significant like that will ignite the fire in many again. It should be a priority to fight for our guernsey.
 

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If we can wear the prison bars at home even with some slight teal (like lucy's over rated design) then watch the crowds embrace the team again. Something significant like that will ignite the fire in many again. It should be a priority to fight for our guernsey.

I am all for the Prison bar jumper. However, i dont think Lucy's jumper is that over rated, it can become Iconic just like the Prison bar.
 

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If we can wear the prison bars at home even with some slight teal (like lucy's over rated design) then watch the crowds embrace the team again. Something significant like that will ignite the fire in many again. It should be a priority to fight for our guernsey.
Even if we are no chance we should still fight it, like Collingwood fight their one strip. It's a show of strength to our members
 

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I am all for the Prison bar jumper. However, i dont think Lucy's jumper is that over rated, it can become Iconic just like the Prison bar.
It's over rated, let's face it we were all desperate to jump on something mroe traditional and it was pretty much black and white so we all went gaga but at the end of the day if we accept that average jumper then we have no hope of pushing for the PB's. In some way I believe the club and media commentators like KG and Cornsey want us to listen and accept that the jumper is great and then get it as our home jumper so we dont haev the PB situation anymore. The club should be fighting publically that we want to wear it, if we can wear a black and white outfit like Lucy's (lets face it, it was a tiny dash of teal) we should wear our black and white traditional top, I believe the club doesn't want to put up that fight and are actively pushign through and convincing us that the crappy V design is awesome to deflect from the PB.
 

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It's over rated, let's face it we were all desperate to jump on something mroe traditional and it was pretty much black and white so we all went gaga but at the end of the day if we accept that average jumper then we have no hope of pushing for the PB's. In some way I believe the club and media commentators like KG and Cornsey want us to listen and accept that the jumper is great and then get it as our home jumper so we dont haev the PB situation anymore. The club should be fighting publically that we want to wear it, if we can wear a black and white outfit like Lucy's (lets face it, it was a tiny dash of teal) we should wear our black and white traditional top, I believe the club doesn't want to put up that fight and are actively pushign through and convincing us that the crappy V design is awesome to deflect from the PB.
I do hear what your saying, but to progress in the future its not bad design, don't get me wrong, I want us to be wearing PB jumper, but I have to say that lucy's design is much better than our current jumper.
 
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And the kid designed jumpers proves my point, none of those jumpers have anything to do with 'tradition' and 'history'. One includes your 1997 logo, one has a lightning bolt on it and mostly black "State" jumper style with the current logo on it, albeit it's awesome, but none of them scream Port's tradition, they go off to Primary Schools, give them a brief about colours etc and to go for it.

Getting kids to design things is a great way to get their interest, anyone who is a parent can tell you that, but I don't think that suggests that 7yo's are attracted to football team because of a traditional ad campaign, a cool competition, sure.
It doesn't prove your point

In the end, a bit of a mix is the right answer, but the key aspect of utilising our history and tradition to promote the club is not the wrong path to take, for all of the reasons posted in response to all of your (and other tingles fans) previous posts harping on about it being flawed.
 

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I do hear what your saying, but to progress in the future its not bad design, don't get me wrong, I want us to be wearing PB jumper, but I have to say that lucy's design is much better than our current jumper.
Yep definately take it but the club should be indicating to us that it's only going to wear it in the interim while it pushes for the PB's, not the way it is now by pushing for it to be our permanent home guernsey. If we take that we are completely ****ed with the PB's for a good number of years if not forever hence it shouldn't be accepted. Media people like KG and Cornesy will actively encourage this as they don't want us to wear the PB's, no matter how much those peopel say they think that jumper is great inside they feel warm and fuzzy knowing we are getting screwed on it.
 

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As much as I love the prison bars, some of you need to move on. It's a part of our heritage and our history and should be worn every heritage round, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not that fussed with it being wore every match in the AFL.

What I don't like is Vlad and Eddie telling everyone else what to do.
 

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If we can wear the prison bars at home even with some slight teal (like lucy's over rated design) then watch the crowds embrace the team again. Something significant like that will ignite the fire in many again. It should be a priority to fight for our guernsey.
Yep, change the guernsey yet again and give the logo a make over and we will be back as a force to be reckoned with :rolleyes:

Anyone who honestly believes that crowds will embrace the rubbish our team has been serving up if the players were a different guernsey are better off sticking to fashion shows. :p

BTW, as soon as you add teal to the famous "prison bar" guernsey it is no longer the famous "prison bar" guernsey.
 

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It's over rated, let's face it we were all desperate to jump on something mroe traditional and it was pretty much black and white so we all went gaga but at the end of the day if we accept that average jumper then we have no hope of pushing for the PB's. In some way I believe the club and media commentators like KG and Cornsey want us to listen and accept that the jumper is great and then get it as our home jumper so we dont haev the PB situation anymore. The club should be fighting publically that we want to wear it, if we can wear a black and white outfit like Lucy's (lets face it, it was a tiny dash of teal) we should wear our black and white traditional top, I believe the club doesn't want to put up that fight and are actively pushign through and convincing us that the crappy V design is awesome to deflect from the PB.
IMO the PB > V > home strip >>>> away/clash/'mardi gras' strip

Good luck to the kid for doing better than the marketing robots !!

I've mentioned taking small steps towards reclaiming the PB jokingly on the Shaun thread. Now I'll take it a step further towards unhealthy obsession :)

Would be far easier to *start* by getting shared use of The Song from the Swans. It would remind everyone every week that we want the PB in the AFL to rejoin the rest of the club, even if we can't have it right now, even if we can't have it for 10-15-20 years. It's a good healthy %^&*( grievance to hang on to and don't we all need one of those :) It would start dialogue between the Old & the very Young that may lead them to connect more with Port's history. I reckon kids find The Creed a little abstract and would have only dim notions of "The Power's" connection to the PB. Using more and more blatant black & white references every week on TV (eventually) leads neutrals across the country to start referring to Port Adelaide as the Black & White - over time to undermine the Victorian Magpies position on Colours.
 

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Yep, change the guernsey yet again and give the logo a make over and we will be back as a force to be reckoned with :rolleyes:

Anyone who honestly believes that crowds will embrace the rubbish our team has been serving up if the players were a different guernsey are better off sticking to fashion shows. :p

BTW, as soon as you add teal to the famous "prison bar" guernsey it is no longer the famous "prison bar" guernsey.
Speaking of near term crisis, and deluded individuals, anyone think losing Junior will finally force Choco to 'embrace change' around the game plan ??
 

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As much as I love the prison bars, some of you need to move on. It's a part of our heritage and our history and should be worn every heritage round, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm not that fussed with it being wore every match in the AFL.

What I don't like is Vlad and Eddie telling everyone else what to do.

The stupid thing is if it were about the black and white colours why doesn't Eddie hate Lucy's top? It's all black and white! It's probably got more white on it then the PB's would ffs
 
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