Port Adelaide ( formerly Magpies ) Power & the Crows

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Most dont seem to realise the PAFC had a collective supporter base of probably all up no more than ( speculative ) 50,000 supporters in SA and perhaps up to 3 or 4 thousand outside SA up until our AFL entry.

I'd break it up something like this.

approx. 6,000 members in our last year in the SANFL.

up to 18,000 "floating" games attenders.

Then those that turn up to really big games and finals only, another 8,000 - 12, 000

Those supporters who are " Port" Supporters in the community i.e. barrack and would turn up to a game every now and then, follow the club on TV the papers and in general conversation.

The barrackers that at a pinch if pushed would say they barracked for Port.

The last two are the highly volatile part of the mixture, many of these turned "Crow" when the SANFL put the conglomerate, composite state side into the AFL in 1991, lots of these potential Port supporters were lost to our club through sheer public pressure, community weight and the need to conform in a Crows dominated state.

The need to conform was so great that openly suggesting that you supported Port up until 1996 as apart from the CROWS could be detrimental to business , i.e lose contracts or potential clients etc...a very difficult state to operate in.

The Camry Crows on the other hand were formed with the abandoned supporters of the other 8 remaining SANFL clubs,

The Football followers throughout SA regional areas that had VFL football beamed in live now had a " Local " team to support

Business networks throughout Adelaide all had some dealings with the Camry Crows
They were pushed as the team for South Australians, wear the STATE COLOURS and were supported to the hilt by the other 8 SANFL clubs ( reliant on them )...

Total SA support in a closed market...
perhaps 1,080,000 people.

Port Adelaide with a Turn out to games varying between 25,000 and 40,000 is a very respectable return from its " Current " support base.

a Football Park that is not over flowing at all times with Crows supporters is a very sad indictment indeed.

The noise generated at Football Park at showdown 9 by Camry supporters was at times
drowned out by the few Port supporters.

Port Adelaide...what a club...
EST. 1870.

34 SANFL premierships
1 AFL night premiership
20 Magarey medallists
etc etc etc...

Go Port......

PA1870

 

[servo]

I agree with all you have said but, what is your point?

 

[mantis]

Get it through your thick head.
The other 15 clubs don't give a damn.
You have won nothing in the AFL, get back to us when you have.

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[Dan26]

You should have baracked for the Crows until the Power joined the AFL. After all, I know of some Magpies fans who barrack for the Crows, because these people were South Australians, and the Crows were the team representing South Australia. They could barack for the Crows AFL side and their local SANFL side (whoever that may be, Port Norwood, whoever)

You "should" have barracked for the Maggies in the SANFL AND the Crows up until 1996, then you should have exclusively barracked for the Power since 1997. That's what you "should" have done.

But you're a strange one.

 

[Dan26]

By the way, you have actually won 36 SANFL premierships.

 

[cha cha cha]

Originally posted by servo:
I agree with all you have said but, what is your point?

His point is that Port WILL NEVER DO ANY GOOD IN A REAL COMPETITION.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by mantis:
You have won nothing in the AFL, get back to us when you have.

Oh dear. Looks like the Alzheimer's Disease is setting in, Sandie. They won the 2001 Ansett Cup, if I remember correctly.




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[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dan25:
By the way, you have actually won 36 SANFL premierships.

wrong smartarse. Port Magpies FC have won 2 premierships...Port Adelaide FC has won 34

 

[sainter]

Welcome back Servo,

BigFooty has changed a little since you were last around.

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[Dan26]

No, you've won 36.

Below is a past post from "Old Dark Navy's". I think what he said was relevant concerning the topic. he said :

"Should we make allowances for Port's history to be officially recognised in the AFL's history in case some less than intelligent fans perceive them as less than successful in their past life? Should we do this while Port continue to add to their flag tally in the SANFL because of some 'spin doctoring' done to the terms of the creation of the new club. We are told that Port Power are the SAME Port Adelaide Magpies that won 34 SANFL flags and then joined the AFL. We are also told that the Port Adelaide Magpies currently playing in the SANFL are....wait for it....the same Port Adelaide Magpies that have been playing since 2000BC in the SANFL!!!! I know, I know, this is all in the wording of the formation of the AFL side in the clubs general meeting or something like that..."

I think that sums it up perfectly. Legally, the "current" SANFL team and the current Port Power are two sepaarte clubs. Legally, the current Port SANFL team is a different club to the black and white Port team that existed up until 1996.

But all that is legal mumbo-jumbo and spin doctoring, by the club board. It is a load of crap really. I can't argue the legal point of view, but for all intents and purposes the Port Power and the old Port Magpies are separate clubs. If Port left the SANFL and joined the AFL and there was no SANFL Magpies team in the SANFL then you would have a point. It would be obvious that the club "moved" to a new compettion. But, there IS a current Magpies team in the SANFL, which, from a logical point of view (if not a legal one) blows that theory out of the water. This means that peope regard the current SANFL team, logically, and ostensibly as the same old Magpies club that has always been there. In fact, I'm sure most Port fans would presume they are the same club. When they won the 1998-99 Grand Finals, all we ever heard was how they won their 35th and 36th premierships.

So, no one can argue with ridiculous and pointless legal mumbo-jumbo, but for all intents and purposes the Power were formed in 1997, while the Magpies in the SANFL continue to play as they have done in that comp for 130 years.

"for all intents and purposes" (if not legally), the Power are a brand new club, while the SANFL Magpies continue to play in the SANFL and add to their 36 premierships.

[This message has been edited by Dan25 (edited 17 April 2001).]

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by AlfAndrews:
Oh dear. Looks like the Alzheimer's Disease is setting in, Sandie. They won the 2001 Ansett Cup, if I remember correctly.

Only the pretend cup Alf, let the win the big one before they brag.



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[servo]

Thanks sainter.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Sayeth Sandie,

"Only the pretend cup Alf, let them win the big one before they brag."

So, was it the "pretend cup" when Essendon won it?
Do you mean to tell me you didn't get a teensy-weensy little bit excited?

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[Catman]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:
Most dont seem to realise the PAFC had a collective supporter base of probably all up no more than ( speculative ) 50,000 supporters in SA and perhaps up to 3 or 4 thousand outside SA up until our AFL entry.

I'd break it up something like this.

approx. 6,000 members in our last year in the SANFL.

up to 18,000 "floating" games attenders.

Then those that turn up to really big games and finals only, another 8,000 - 12, 000

Those supporters who are " Port" Supporters in the community i.e. barrack and would turn up to a game every now and then, follow the club on TV the papers and in general conversation.

The barrackers that at a pinch if pushed would say they barracked for Port.

The last two are the highly volatile part of the mixture, many of these turned "Crow" when the SANFL put the conglomerate, composite state side into the AFL in 1991, lots of these potential Port supporters were lost to our club through sheer public pressure, community weight and the need to conform in a Crows dominated state.

The need to conform was so great that openly suggesting that you supported Port up until 1996 as apart from the CROWS could be detrimental to business , i.e lose contracts or potential clients etc...a very difficult state to operate in.

The Camry Crows on the other hand were formed with the abandoned supporters of the other 8 remaining SANFL clubs,

The Football followers throughout SA regional areas that had VFL football beamed in live now had a " Local " team to support

Business networks throughout Adelaide all had some dealings with the Camry Crows
They were pushed as the team for South Australians, wear the STATE COLOURS and were supported to the hilt by the other 8 SANFL clubs ( reliant on them )...

Total SA support in a closed market...
perhaps 1,080,000 people.

Port Adelaide with a Turn out to games varying between 25,000 and 40,000 is a very respectable return from its " Current " support base.

a Football Park that is not over flowing at all times with Crows supporters is a very sad indictment indeed.

The noise generated at Football Park at showdown 9 by Camry supporters was at times
drowned out by the few Port supporters.

Port Adelaide...what a club...
EST. 1870.

34 SANFL premierships
1 AFL night premiership
20 Magarey medallists
etc etc etc...

Go Port......

PA1870

Who cares?

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Dan25:
No, you've won 36.

Below is a past post from "Old Dark Navy's". I think what he said was relevant concerning the topic. he said :

"Should we make allowances for Port's history to be officially recognised in the AFL's history in case some less than intelligent fans perceive them as less than successful in their past life? Should we do this while Port continue to add to their flag tally in the SANFL because of some 'spin doctoring' done to the terms of the creation of the new club. We are told that Port Power are the SAME Port Adelaide Magpies that won 34 SANFL flags and then joined the AFL. We are also told that the Port Adelaide Magpies currently playing in the SANFL are....wait for it....the same Port Adelaide Magpies that have been playing since 2000BC in the SANFL!!!! I know, I know, this is all in the wording of the formation of the AFL side in the clubs general meeting or something like that..."

I think that sums it up perfectly. Legally, the "current" SANFL team and the current Port Power are two sepaarte clubs. Legally, the current Port SANFL team is a different club to the black and white Port team that existed up until 1996.

But all that is legal mumbo-jumbo and spin doctoring, by the club board. It is a load of crap really. I can't argue the legal point of view, but for all intents and purposes the Port Power and the old Port Magpies are separate clubs. If Port left the SANFL and joined the AFL and there was no SANFL Magpies team in the SANFL then you would have a point. It would be obvious that the club "moved" to a new compettion. But, there IS a current Magpies team in the SANFL, which, from a logical point of view (if not a legal one) blows that theory out of the water. This means that peope regard the current SANFL team, logically, and ostensibly as the same old Magpies club that has always been there. In fact, I'm sure most Port fans would presume they are the same club. When they won the 1998-99 Grand Finals, all we ever heard was how they won their 35th and 36th premierships.

So, no one can argue with ridiculous and pointless legal mumbo-jumbo, but for all intents and purposes the Power were formed in 1997, while the Magpies in the SANFL continue to play as they have done in that comp for 130 years.

"for all intents and purposes" (if not legally), the Power are a brand new club, while the SANFL Magpies continue to play in the SANFL and add to their 36 premierships.

[This message has been edited by Dan25 (edited 17 April 2001).]

It is a nice piece...avery interesting view from an outsider...I like your perception, keep up your insights they ad a lot to your posts.


The PAFC was formed in 1870 and left the SANFL to play in the AFL they were formerly known as the Magpies they changed their nickname to "Power".

The PAFC have 34 state league grand finals to their credit....

Port Adelaide

34 SA premierships
! AFL night premiership.

as I said your constant use of words such as " all intents & purposes" and "ostensibly " are cute, but are irrelevant, your argument whilst well structured and valid in your mind and those that you may convince that know no better or just want another cause against Port is..just that your own belief..


The Port Adelaide Football Club is not an emblem...it is a Club.....

I was a part of that club until 1996 in the SANFL..I was a the annual general meeting where we voted to leave the SANFL and join the AFL.

The PAFC no longer play in the SANFL.

the PAMFC will let you know that and the PAFC will let you know that.

look up www.portadelaidefc.com.au.

Servo...How are you???????

My point is...there has been some speculation about crowd attendances, loyalty of supporters etc.

the Crows have approx. 1,080,000 potential supporters to choose from,
a 12 year waiting list for membership
and fans that constantly critiscise Ports inability to fill the stadium each week......

as a return 25,000 - 40,000 Port fans at Football Pk from approx 50,000 supporters is not a bad investment.

Lets see if the Crows will fill Football Park with each week they play from their 1,080,000 supporter base. or will all this Crows loyalty stuff just be a fiment of their imaginations ?
Thats all.

PA1870

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Dan25:
You should have baracked for the Crows until the Power joined the AFL. After all, I know of some Magpies fans who barrack for the Crows, because these people were South Australians, and the Crows were the team representing South Australia. They could barack for the Crows AFL side and their local SANFL side (whoever that may be, Port Norwood, whoever)

Dan ,

You have been a closet Crows supporter for some time...your Posts that include the Crows always rate them highly.
The majority of Port supporters had no time for the Crows whilst Port were awaitng AFL entry
there were some as mentioned in my opening Post that jumped ship.

Your advocacy for supporters to jump ship from one club to another may be an eviable trait for self presevation, but I sure wouldnt have wanted your kind in the trenches next to me..

I can see it now...The bombs are going off all around, the machine guns are rattling..and Dan 25 realises the Japs are going to overrun us and
subdue our men ( our members )
and he jumps out of the trench and screams " Hey Nippon ! ", They are in here, I'm with you now, you are the dominant ones now I'm on your side "

Dan...If Leeds united slip down to third division
or Manchester Utd or Liverpool slip down to third Div...their supporters dont suddenly start following
teams in the Premier league...they support (b)THEIR(/b) club...

Sorry son...I've always supported the Port Adelaide Football club , no matter what comp they are in..

If tomorrow they left the AFL and became the Port Adelaide Football Club.. "the Giants " in NRL i'd follow them there...They are my club and they are that to me..

We dont care what outsiders think !!!!

by the way

Essendon have only won 2 National football premierships.
and 14 local league premierships

PA1870

You "should" have barracked for the Maggies in the SANFL AND the Crows up until 1996, then you should have exclusively barracked for the Power since 1997. That's what you "should" have done.

But you're a strange one.

So You barracked for Essendon in the local league ( VFL) and you then barracked for them in the National league ..is that right ?

 

[Blues_Brat]

Jeez, get over it. The Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many SANFL premierships that the Port Magpies won.

I've confused many a Port supporter by asking them which scenario is correct....

Are the Power a club with 34 SANFL premierships that entered the AFL and the PAMFC have 2 premierships?

OR

Are the Power a brand new club and the PAMFC have 36 premierships?

As legal entities, the previous is the correct position, yet supporters say that both clubs have 36 premierships. Sheesh... You can't have your dope cake and eat it too and break into your neighbours house and steal their stereo and go to Cash Converters etc..

Personally I think the Port Adelaide FC Inc, should have continued in the SANFL and Port Power become a new club. No arguments possible then, none of this "formed in 1870" on the Port Power jackets. A new club formed with the PAFC's history behind it, something that the Crows didn't have.

 

[portly]

B_B says: "Jeez, get over it. The Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many SANFL premierships that the Port Magpies won."

Haven't you worked it out yet? Non-Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many VFL premierships that the Victorian clubs have won."

 

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by portly:
Haven't you worked it out yet? Non-Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many VFL premierships that the Victorian clubs have won."

Problem is, the Victorian clubs premierships in the VFL count, the SANFL ones do not.

 

[Guest]

You joined "our" competition!!!

If your SANFL premierships are so important to you...why whould you want to join the AFL (previously known as the VFL)??

I agree with the previous post. The 2nd SA licence should have been given to a completely separate entity, as opposed to a pseudo PAMFC/Power club. Should have been formed along the same lines as the Crows!

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat:
Jeez, get over it. The Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many SANFL premierships that the Port Magpies won.

I've confused many a Port supporter by asking them which scenario is correct....

Are the Power a club with 34 SANFL premierships that entered the AFL and the PAMFC have 2 premierships?

OR

Are the Power a brand new club and the PAMFC have 36 premierships?

As legal entities, the previous is the correct position, yet supporters say that both clubs have 36 premierships. Sheesh... You can't have your dope cake and eat it too and break into your neighbours house and steal their stereo and go to Cash Converters etc..

Personally I think the Port Adelaide FC Inc, should have continued in the SANFL and Port Power become a new club. No arguments possible then, none of this "formed in 1870" on the Port Power jackets. A new club formed with the PAFC's history behind it, something that the Crows didn't have.

Blues brat..this post is not about how many (34 Premierships ) Port won when they were in the SANFL. it is about the Crows and Ports
relative supporter bases.

Also the VFL premierships won by current AFL clubs are seen, by many, as the hundreds of replies to those posts
have shown are not really cared about by non former VFL barracking supporters...

Not much credence is put outside of Victoria on the AFL's insistance of including records from a Victorian suburban comp into a National Australian comp..

except possibly for the groupies, mind slaves and worshippers of the former defunct VFL,

(b)I understand the need for Former VFL worshippers to carry their histories into the National comp. and I understand the reasons why the AFL, Australias national Australian football comp include suburban Melbourne premierships in the AFL (/b)

The rest of us follow clubs with AFL profiles..not suburban melbourne histories and Profiles. However we recognize the histories of these clubs...once again this post wasnt about that question.

PA1870

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

(b)This Post is not about Ports SANFL History
(/b) Why are you guys so hung up about it ?

(b)Leave it out of this post ! (/b)

 

[elt]

Originally posted by portly:
B_B says: "Jeez, get over it. The Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many SANFL premierships that the Port Magpies won."

Haven't you worked it out yet? Non-Victorian supporters don't care one iota about how many VFL premierships that the Victorian clubs have won."

Haven't you worked it out yet? Victorian supporters don't care one iota about non-Victorian clubs or their supporters

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[Port Adelaide 1870]

Originally posted by topdon:
You joined "our" competition!!!

If your SANFL premierships are so important to you...why whould you want to join the AFL (previously known as the VFL)??

I agree with the previous post. The 2nd SA licence should have been given to a completely separate entity, as opposed to a pseudo PAMFC/Power club. Should have been formed along the same lines as the Crows!

Top Don,
Why do you believe the Port Adelaide Football club should not have been admitted to the National league ..the AFL. ?

PA1870

 

[ptw]

FACT : there are only 4 AFL clubs who have actually earned the right to be in this competition.

you topdon are a complete tosser and cannot see past your own nasal hair.

ptw

[This message has been edited by ptw (edited 18 April 2001).]