Port Adelaide Team of the 21st Century

EskimoPAFC

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PS: I've noticed the supporters of clubs who have really good teams like geelong, hawthorn and brisbane have responded really positively but the poorer teams have been quite aggressive :drunk:
This actually makes complete sense, but probably not for the reasons you think.

The teams that have been good have had their players in the public eye, so they are much easier to get looking correct without much research. So even by doing a lazy, half assed job, you can say Josh Gibson and people are going to agree with you and give you a positive response.

To get the shit teams right, you actually need to do real research and spend much more time on them to get correct - you can't just look at basic stats and expect them to fit together. So the same lazy half assed method applied to the shit teams gives you laughable lists like this one, which is why you're getting a negative (not aggressive) response.

Like I said, I did get a laugh out of it though, so thanks, no aggressiveness from me whatsoever.
 

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AwwThatsApples

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FB: T.CHAPLIN - D.WAKELIN - T.JONAS*
HB: G.WANGANEEN - C.CORNES - B.MONTGOMERY
C: S.BURGOYNE - D.CASSISI - P.BURGOYNE
HF: R.GRAY* - W.TREDREA (c) - J.WESTHOFF*
FF: C.WINGARD - J.SCHULZ - D.MOTLOP
RR: M.PRIMUS (vc) - K.CORNES - T.BOAK*
INT: B.LADE - BRA.EBERT* - N.STEVENS - O.WINES*
COACH: MARK WILLIAMS

Minimum 50 games qualification.

Thoughts?
Without coming off as "aggressive" may I please simply ask why you selected Troy Chaplin and what you saw in him to list him as a best 22 player among other candidates?
 

curnow inferno

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Without coming off as "aggressive" may I please simply ask why you selected Troy Chaplin and what you saw in him to list him as a best 22 player among other candidates?
I really feel like chaplin is not being accepted here due to the circumstances he left the club. I rated him as a good defender and I remember how excited richmond were to get him.

after seeing all the criticism, i even went through top 10 best and fairest results at port for this century and believe it or not overall he is in the top half of the 22 i named so sounds like the coaches agree he was a pretty handy player.

obviously a lot of variables go in to that too so it's not enough to base off on its own but the reason i posted was to get your feedback anyway to see if i was close or not. i think i've received a pretty unanimous answer!
 

El_Scorcho

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I really feel like chaplin is not being accepted here due to the circumstances he left the club. I rated him as a good defender and I remember how excited richmond were to get him.

after seeing all the criticism, i even went through top 10 best and fairest results at port for this century and believe it or not overall he is in the top half of the 22 i named so sounds like the coaches agree he was a pretty handy player.

obviously a lot of variables go in to that too so it's not enough to base off on its own but the reason i posted was to get your feedback anyway to see if i was close or not. i think i've received a pretty unanimous answer!
He might have been getting top 10 B&F finishes, but he was doing so when we were one of the worst sides in the league, and despite the club seeming to rate him, the supporters always had issues with the way he went about it. Nobody at Port shed a tear when he left.

Your side isn't that far off really, but including Chaplin proves that you probably don't know enough about Port over the last 20 years to be bothering.
 

curnow inferno

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I wonder if 2004 B&F winner David Teague makes this bloke's Carlton team of the century?
Youre comparing a bloke who had 1 top 10 placing to a bloke who had 5..

But as i emphasised earlier if you read my post, i only checked this after receiving all the criticism. So once again to simplify it for you, it was not the reason for me selecting him. Hope that helps.
 

Butters Made Me Do It

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I really feel like chaplin is not being accepted here due to the circumstances he left the club. I rated him as a good defender and I remember how excited richmond were to get him.

after seeing all the criticism, i even went through top 10 best and fairest results at port for this century and believe it or not overall he is in the top half of the 22 i named so sounds like the coaches agree he was a pretty handy player.

obviously a lot of variables go in to that too so it's not enough to base off on its own but the reason i posted was to get your feedback anyway to see if i was close or not. i think i've received a pretty unanimous answer!
Just one extra, which is that when Troy Chaplin left as a Restricted Free Agent, this board was very much ‘lol bye chappy’, and linked to this is that I can’t imagine any team’s team of this century including a guy they cbf matching his middling RFA offer to keep
 

EskimoPAFC

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I really feel like chaplin is not being accepted here due to the circumstances he left the club. I rated him as a good defender and I remember how excited richmond were to get him.

after seeing all the criticism, i even went through top 10 best and fairest results at port for this century and believe it or not overall he is in the top half of the 22 i named so sounds like the coaches agree he was a pretty handy player.

obviously a lot of variables go in to that too so it's not enough to base off on its own but the reason i posted was to get your feedback anyway to see if i was close or not. i think i've received a pretty unanimous answer!
For the record, this is what I meant by looking at "basic stats". You have to put things in context.

He was a defender in one of the worst teams in the AFL, so of course he got a lot of the ball, and of course he sat high up in our top 10 - there wasn't a lot of competition back then as most of the players alongside him were either not very good footballers, guys coming to the end of their careers, or guys just starting out.

For the record, I reckon you went about this backwards. I think you should have started by researching what people who know the club inside out think, and then gone to the stats and awards to eliminate bias.
 

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Sorry to intrude.

I thought it would be a fun exercise for an opposition supporter to do a team prior to reading any posts in this thread, and without doing any research, and then comparing that team with supporters who have more of an idea.

Looks like my team wasn't too far off the mark by looking at the teams posted.

Wanganeen - Wakelin - Bishop
Montgomery - Cornes - Kingsley
Boak - Stevens - S Burgoyne
Pickett - Tredrea - R Gray
Brett Ebert - Westhoff - Motlop
Primus - Kornes - P Burgoyne
Lade, Francou, Wines, Schofield

The names in bold seem to be the ones that weren;t included in many other teams. I'm surprised by the lack of inclusions of Stevens, but you guys would know more.

Dew and James are two obvious ones I missed.
 

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Sorry to intrude.

I thought it would be a fun exercise for an opposition supporter to do a team prior to reading any posts in this thread, and without doing any research, and then comparing that team with supporters who have more of an idea.

Looks like my team wasn't too far off the mark by looking at the teams posted.

Wanganeen - Wakelin - Bishop
Montgomery - Cornes - Kingsley
Boak - Stevens - S Burgoyne
Pickett - Tredrea - R Gray
Brett Ebert - Westhoff - Motlop
Primus - Kornes - P Burgoyne
Lade, Francou, Wines, Schofield

The names in bold seem to be the ones that weren;t included in many other teams. I'm surprised by the lack of inclusions of Stevens, but you guys would know more.

Dew and James are two obvious ones I missed.
I do approve of your not including Troy Chaplin policy, but I don't approve of your including Brett Ebert policy.
 

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I do approve of your not including Troy Chaplin policy, but I don't approve of your including Brett Ebert policy.
Very fair. One BP and both FP positions were the last three players I included when doing my team. I was having a tough time trying to think of who to include, and after five minutes Bishop, Ebert and Motlop were the ones who came to mind (only cause I couldn't think of anyone better). I definitely should have had Dew and James in, just couldn't think of them at the time.
 

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Believe it or not - i actually came here to get criticism to see how far off i was. And pretty much every other clubs board has given me that in a great way except port and to a much lesser extent bulldogs
A debutant coming in without a reason who then criticises them....

Yeah good strategy.
 

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What's up with some of these teams not including Wingard? May not have finished his career here but he still managed two AA's and B&F, which puts him well ahead of a lot of the other names being included. If Nick Stevens and Shaun Burgoyne can get a gig for what they did for us then Wingard is an absolute shoe-in.

Believe it or not - i actually came here to get criticism to see how far off i was. And pretty much every other clubs board has given me that in a great way except port and to a much lesser extent bulldogs
I'm guessing you didn't do anything as egregiously wrong as including Troy Chaplin in any of your other efforts.
 

curnow inferno

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What's up with some of these teams not including Wingard? May not have finished his career here but he still managed two AA's and B&F, which puts him well ahead of a lot of the other names being included. If Nick Stevens and Shaun Burgoyne can get a gig for what they did for us then Wingard is an absolute shoe-in.



I'm guessing you didn't do anything as egregiously wrong as including Troy Chaplin in any of your other efforts.
As an unbiased supporter, i included all 4 of those names. As ive said before i think a lot of the backlash is due to supporters emotions with those players leaving. And its backed up by a lot of people not including players out of those 4 in their teams
 

AwwThatsApples

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To be honest Troy Chaplin is just one of many what-ifs from the dying years of Choco and the Primus years. During that time we had many players including Chaplin showing promising signs and great potential. Good examples included Steven Salopek, Jarred Redden and dare I say it even John Butcher had his moments early on. The issue was that we were losing money and couldn't afford to sustain good player development and player management programs, and as a result, almost all of those names failed to improve as they began to age. In particular, Salopek and Redden received injuries that they never seem to be able to fully overcome, which resulted in their bodies becoming slower and weaker.
I don't know about Chaplin though, to me he falls under the same Umbrella as Jasper Pittard. Both were defenders that showed potential in early years, but they never improved and became infamous for their constant skill errors and dumb mistakes. That being said, this was common during those years, and I'm sure there would've been a good chance that if the stance of the club was better at the time Chaplin, along with everyone else would've been able to improve with more ease. However, you can't just give players credit for potential, otherwise, almost every player in the competition would be good.
 
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My first attempt
FB: M.Wilson | D.Wakelin | B.Montgomery
HB: G.Wanganeen | C.Cornes | S.Burgoyne
C: B.Pickett | J.Francou | J.Carr
R: M.Primus | P.Burgoyne | T.Boak
HF: S.Dew | W.Tredrea | C.Wingard
FF: B.Lade | J.Schulz | R.Gray
I: R.James | D.Cassisi | K.Cornes | J.Westhoff
 

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