Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

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greatwhiteshark

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Why did they tell everyone at the time they werent then?
Why did they sign a contract explicitly stating they werent the same club and had to adopt a new identity - teal?
They didn't have to drop the Adelaide bit from the Port Adelaide Football Club, but they did.
Because they were entering a league that had a side (Collingwood) with Black and White stripes and a Magpie logo. So of course they had to find an alternative.
It got messy which is why the Magpie identity club was created for the SANFL but this was because the SANFL imposed laws on who could play for the Magpie team left in the SANFL.
Either way and no matter how messy it got for numbers of reasons the PAFC that played in the SANFL in 1996 was the club which entered the AFL as the PAFC Power in 1997.
I honestly thought this was very common knowledge.
 

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You haven't even attempted to construct an argument as to why bigger leagues like the NBA, NFL, NHL and EPL ,and smaller leagues like the A-League aren't affected by two sides wearing the same colours, but Collingwood will be affected by it.

You've talked about different markets requiring different things but you are dodging hard to avoid saying why the AFL is a different market for sports branding.
Yes.

Multiple times, if you’ve been paying attention.


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The AFL have made a decision.. and its the correct one.

Port power and kochie have said they wont go to court to try and have that decision overturned.. because they know they havent a leg to stand on and would lose.

time for port power supporters to move on.. embrace the current jumper and realise the port adelaide black and white striped whalf jumper is the sanfl jumper of the club from alberton.

At the end of the day.. the incessant whinging and melting down isnt gonna change a thing.
 

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The AFL have made a decision.. and its the correct one.

Port power and kochie have said they wont go to court to try and have that decision overturned.. because they know they havent a leg to stand on and would lose.

time for port power supporters to move on.. embrace the current jumper and realise the port adelaide black and white striped whalf jumper is the sanfl jumper of the club from alberton.

At the end of the day.. the incessant whinging and melting down isnt gonna change a thing.
It will. We will win this one.
 

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It will. We will win this one.
Pretty arrogant position.

"We're wrong, in a very real, legal sense, we're wrong, but if we whinge enough and complain enough, eventually we will get what we want".

You know how people HATE Collingwood? Part of the reason why is they're pretty good at standing their ground on stuff like this...and given they ALSO have the law on their side...I reckon you're stuffed.
 

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The AFL have made a decision.. and its the correct one.

Port power and kochie have said they wont go to court to try and have that decision overturned.. because they know they havent a leg to stand on and would lose.

time for port power supporters to move on.. embrace the current jumper and realise the port adelaide black and white striped whalf jumper is the sanfl jumper of the club from alberton.

At the end of the day.. the incessant whinging and melting down isnt gonna change a thing.
No it is their jumper and one they should be very proud of as it was a big part of the journey to where they are now. By entering the AFL as the game went national they agreed to not wear it and thats where it currently stands. It is very much their jumper however, moving leagues doesn't mean losing your history and traditions.
 

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No it is their jumper and one they should be very proud of as it was a big part of the journey to where they are now. By entering the AFL as the game went national they agreed to not wear it and thats where it currently stands. It is very much their jumper however, moving leagues doesn't mean losing your history and traditions.
Agreed.

They can celebrate their history and traditions RE the prison bars...watching their magoos run out at Alberton.
 

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This issue was likely resolved in 1985 when the clubs transferred their logos/names etc to the AFL. It is highly likely one of the conditions for assigning those rights to the VFL/AFL would be that no new team would be able to use those names/basic colours/jumper designs without the express written permission of the existing club. Even though they are obviously different jumpers, it is also pretty obvious that they share the same basic designs. If the AFL breach that agreement by allowing another team to do so (and to be fair to the AFL they don’t appear likely to do so), they would either have to cut Collingwood a very large check to compensate them, or risk the competition ceasing to exist as the one thing binding the clubs all together would no longer be in effect.

Given Port’s bastardry towards the SANFL in 1990 (vote with rest of SANFL to delay AFL bid until 1993, then submit their own bid a month or two later), the other AFL clubs should be weary of their history of looking out for themselves at the expense of their partner clubs. At least in this situation they are far more a junior partner in the AFL compared to their status in the SANFL in 1990. Realistically they would be either last or 2nd last in terms of influence in/around the AFL (ahead of only whoever the weakest Melbourne club is in any given year). I would think it’s more likely that the other 17 clubs vote to expel Port from the League instead of Port getting their way


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It will. We will win this one.
you’ve already lost.

the AFL has made a final decision and Port Power and Kochie have accepted the decision and arent gonna go to court to try and have it overturned..

thats it.. done and dusted.

power supporters need to thank Eddie and Collingwood for allowing them to wear the prison bars for the Port magpies 150th celebrations last year, be grateful this was able to be celebrated in such a fashion and move on..

pushing the point any further will probably see Collingwood and the AFL dig their heels in even further and could end up with Collingwood rightfully taking legal action against Port power for breaking their long standing agreement.
 

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No it is their jumper and one they should be very proud of as it was a big part of the journey to where they are now. By entering the AFL as the game went national they agreed to not wear it and thats where it currently stands. It is very much their jumper however, moving leagues doesn't mean losing your history and traditions.
No doubt they should be proud of it.. and they continue to wear it with pride in the SANFL.

But that doesnt instantly mean they can wear it in the AFL..
 

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So is the only reason there is no heritage round now is to prevent port from wearing the old prison bars jumper?
Post 2007 the AFL has gone on an expansion program, added GWS and GC. What would GWS/GC do for the "heritage" round?

Most clubs have gone with a random throwback that had laces, slightly different designs or colours etc. The goal umpires bought back the long coats etc. The shtick had been done, gimmick over and became meh.

From a commercial perspective focus post 2007 was pushing indigenous round and jumpers, women's footy and new clash jumpers and other themed games.
 

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This issue was likely resolved in 1985 when the clubs transferred their logos/names etc to the AFL. It is highly likely one of the conditions for assigning those rights to the VFL/AFL would be that no new team would be able to use those names/basic colours/jumper designs without the express written permission of the existing club. Even though they are obviously different jumpers, it is also pretty obvious that they share the same basic designs. If the AFL breach that agreement by allowing another team to do so (and to be fair to the AFL they don’t appear likely to do so), they would either have to cut Collingwood a very large check to compensate them, or risk the competition ceasing to exist as the one thing binding the clubs all together would no longer be in effect.

Given Port’s bastardry towards the SANFL in 1990 (vote with rest of SANFL to delay AFL bid until 1993, then submit their own bid a month or two later), the other AFL clubs should be weary of their history of looking out for themselves at the expense of their partner clubs. At least in this situation they are far more a junior partner in the AFL compared to their status in the SANFL in 1990. Realistically they would be either last or 2nd last in terms of influence in/around the AFL (ahead of only whoever the weakest Melbourne club is in any given year). I would think it’s more likely that the other 17 clubs vote to expel Port from the League instead of Port getting their way


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Finally some sanity in this thread.
 

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No doubt they should be proud of it.. and they continue to wear it with pride in the SANFL.

But that doesnt instantly mean they can wear it in the AFL..
Agree there, but they should be able to sell it in their merchandise shop, as it is their history they should be able to do as they please with it. Just can't wear it actually in a game in the AFL comp as per what they agreed.
 

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Agree there, but they should be able to sell it in their merchandise shop, as it is their history they should be able to do as they please with it. Just can't wear it actually in a game in the AFL comp as per what they agreed.
They agreed not to sell it either..
 

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This issue was likely resolved in 1985 when the clubs transferred their logos/names etc to the AFL. It is highly likely one of the conditions for assigning those rights to the VFL/AFL would be that no new team would be able to use those names/basic colours/jumper designs without the express written permission of the existing club.
Yes I'm sure that Brisbane gave permission for Gold Coast to use it's colours.
 

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yeah bring back heritage round a lot of people enjoyed it. If some clubs think its meh they dont have to do it...Dont spoil other peoples fun just because your a grinch #collingwood
wheres the heritage when nearly half the teams havent even been in the comp for 50 years?... even Port..

the adelaide crows have more history in the AFL than port do!... lol, a whole extra 6 years of it!..

bring back the heritage rounds in a hundred years from now when ALL the clubs, including port power, have some heritage behind them to celebrate.
 

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Local Australian Football club jumpers showing the heritage of the sport in their region.
What like when the Crows wanted to use an old SA jumper but then people cracked the sads.

Why would Southport Sharks want one of their jumpers used?

When you are adding expansion clubs, doesn't make much sense to continue with a "heritage round" theme round that just highlights that they have no heritage.
 

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What like when the Crows wanted to use an old SA jumper but then people cracked the sads.

Why would Southport Sharks want one of their jumpers used?

When you are adding expansion clubs, doesn't make much sense to continue with a "heritage round" theme round that just highlights that they have no heritage.
the southport sharks would love to see there jumper in a afl game so would burleigh and broadbeach...it gives the locals a thrill isn't that the point to grow the game.
 

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I can see both sides of the argument, and I’m certainly not unsympathetic to Port, but they entered the competition knowing full well that it was a deal breaking condition. So they agreed.
Did Collingwood (ie Eddie) agree to the heritage round deal in bad faith- very probably. He is a slimy piece of dirt, but what can you do unless they revisit the round again? It was, after all, a concession that didn’t need to be offered.
It’s messy but if both sides stop beating their chests about it maybe a rational solution can be found, because I can’t see it going away
 

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