Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

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terrybull

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Those 3 clubs have played together in the same 20 team league continuously for almost 50 years.
But not the exact same 20 teams.

You can not compare a closed League with a open League.

Also soccer tends to have kits with only one or two colours. Pretty hard not to have similar kits when there are so many teams around. It’s mostly sponsors name that distinguishes the kits.
 

terrybull

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Those 3 clubs have played together in the same 20 team league continuously for almost 50 years.
If the AFL had been created from all the teams in the VFL, SANFL, WAFL, VFA, NSWFL, QFL, TFL, NTFL and ACTFL with promotion/relegation system, then you would have all their original jumpers and logos. There would probably be very different clash jumpers. South Fremantle vs Sydney, Richmond Tigers vs Glenelg Tigers etc etc...
 

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But not the exact same 20 teams.

You can not compare a closed League with a open League.

Also soccer tends to have kits with only one or two colours. Pretty hard not to have similar kits when there are so many teams around. It’s mostly sponsors name that distinguishes the kits.
These 3 clubs have coexisted for half a century wearing more or less the same thing. The fact that their league has a relegation system is completely inconsequential to this dynamic. They have still been playing against each other the entire time.

I could also point out that there are plenty of closed leagues around the world where this also happens but I’m sure there will be some undefinable problem with every single one of those too.
 

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terrybull

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These 3 clubs have coexisted for half a century wearing more or less the same thing. The fact that their league has a relegation system is completely inconsequential to this dynamic. They have still been playing against each other the entire time.

I could also point out that there are plenty of closed leagues around the world where this also happens but I’m sure there will be some undefinable problem with every single one of those too.
Because the English Football League history has never had an issue with this from the beginning. How would you go today saying to Liverpool you must now add a bit of teal?

The early days of Footy probably did not give a toss either, but the more semi-professional Leagues probably gradually did.

Hawthorn for an example had to change from blue and gold so not to clash with Williamstown when they entered the VFA in 1914.

I just don’t think it will help your argument by comparing an overseas soccer league.

The argument should be that same colours but different design.

One jumper iconic to Port Adelaide, the other iconic to Collingwood.

And anyone interested in Footy would know this. You can even be colour blind. ;)
 

terrybull

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Because the English Football League history has never had an issue with this from the beginning. How would you go today saying to Liverpool you must now add a bit of teal?

The early days of Footy probably did not give a toss either, but the more semi-professional Leagues probably gradually did.

Hawthorn for an example had to change from blue and gold so not to clash with Williamstown when they entered the VFA in 1914.

I just don’t think it will help your argument by comparing an overseas soccer league.

The argument should be that same colours but different design.

One jumper iconic to Port Adelaide, the other iconic to Collingwood.

And anyone interested in Footy would know this. You can even be colour blind. ;)
I’m also against “new” clubs using same colour combination as existing clubs. Adelaide and Gold Coast didn’t have to go blue, yellow and red (despite different shades of blue).

But when a team with such rich history as Port Adelaide on a rare occasion gets into the locked AFL then their jumper and even logo should be kept.

If Port Melbourne, Sturt, South Fremantle or any other club with a long history gets in, then I would hope that their jumper and logo is retained.
 

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It's nothing like that
How is it not?

Southport is an established club who was playing on the Gold Coast in the top local league as one of the stronger clubs.....same as Glenelg were in Adelaide.

The AFL comes along with its expansion mission and determines it wants an AFL club on the Gold Coast, as it did in Adelaide.

Southport and Glenelg were both overlooked for the licences, so now continue to compete in the local league that isn't top dog in the area anymore.

Why the feck would Southport / Glenelg supporters want the Suns / Power to play a game of AFL in a Sharks / G.Tigers jumper?

And what the feck do Southport or Glenelg have to do with any of the AFL franchises?
 

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I can see both sides of the argument, and I’m certainly not unsympathetic to Port, but they entered the competition knowing full well that it was a deal breaking condition. So they agreed.
Did Collingwood (ie Eddie) agree to the heritage round deal in bad faith- very probably. He is a slimy piece of dirt, but what can you do unless they revisit the round again? It was, after all, a concession that didn’t need to be offered.
It’s messy but if both sides stop beating their chests about it maybe a rational solution can be found, because I can’t see it going away
We dont actually know whether eddie agreed to the heritage round in bad faith though..

for all we know the AFL approached Collingwood and told them they were gonna hold a heritage round and that port will probably want to wear the proson bars.. and eddie said no, not happening, if they are allowed to wear them once a year then it will open the door for them to wear them on other occassions and it will snowball.

and then the AFL simply said “nah, the heritage rounds arent gonna be a long term thing so its not too much of a concern”..

and that might have made eddie agree.. if not, he and collingwood wouldve said no altogether.

we’re all assuming that it was eddie that had a hand in putting an end to the heritage rounds because we all think he’s a bit of a flog at times.. and assumptions are the mother of all f’ups..

but at the end of the day the heritage rounds agreement is null and void so its pointless discussing it.. its the original agreement that is the overarching agreement and the one that needs to be adhered to by Port power.
 

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We dont actually know whether eddie agreed to the heritage round in bad faith though..

for all we know the AFL approached Collingwood and told them they were gonna hold a heritage round and that port will probably want to wear the proson bars.. and eddie said no, not happening, if they are allowed to wear them once a year then it will open the door for them to wear them on other occassions and it will snowball.

and then the AFL simply said “nah, the heritage rounds arent gonna be a long term thing so its not too much of a concern”..

and that might have made eddie agree.. if not, he and collingwood wouldve said no altogether.

we’re all assuming that it was eddie that had a hand in putting an end to the heritage rounds because we all think he’s a bit of a flog at times.. and assumptions are the mother of all f’ups..

but at the end of the day the heritage rounds agreement is null and void so its pointless discussing it.. its the original agreement that is the overarching agreement and the one that needs to be adhered to by Port power.
When Kane Cornes was sooking on SEN after embarrassing himself on national TV debating Maguire, Michaelangelo Rucci pointed out very clearly that many clubs knew Heritage Round was ending as it was losing its relevance. He clearly stated it was an open discussion amongst the AFL and clubs and there was no hidden agenda against Port, he pointed out that Port’s issue with this now lies fully with the people at the club that signed off on this at the time.
Rucci can be a smug divisive campaigner at the best of times but it seems he’s being straight up with facts on this even if it hurts the narrative of his own club.

This whole Heritage Round conspiracy theory is just desperation to formulate an argument.
 

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When Kane Cornes was sooking on SEN after embarrassing himself on national TV debating Maguire, Michaelangelo Rucci pointed out very clearly that many clubs knew Heritage Round was ending as it was losing its relevance. He clearly stated it was an open discussion amongst the AFL and clubs and there was no hidden agenda against Port, he pointed out that Port’s issue with this now lies fully with the people at the club that signed off on this at the time.
Rucci can be a smug divisive campaigner at the best of times but it seems he’s being straight up with facts on this even if it hurts the narrative of his own club.

This whole Heritage Round conspiracy theory is just desperation to formulate an argument.
Exactly... it is nothing more than a “lets not discuss the actual overarching agreement signed from day one, because that completely destroys our arguement, but instead lets focus on that heritage round agreement because that allowed us to wear the PB’s in the heritage round games...”

the heritage rounds agreement is irrelevant.. what happens in other leagues around the world is irrelevant.. people’s opinion on whether the PB’s jumper does or doesnt look like the Pies jumper is irrelevant because.. opinions are like arseholes. All this other background nonsense and sooking is irrelevant.

all that matters is that port and collingwood (with the AFL) came to an agreement when Port Power entered the comp in 97. That agreement is what matters and is really all that needs to be disussed on this issue.

All party’s simply need to stick to the agreement. If not, it will wind up in court and the court will tell them all to “stick to the agreement” at a massive cost in court and lawyer fees. A fruitless, costly exercise and Port Power and Kochie know it.. thats why, just the other day, they said they wouldnt be taking it to court.
 

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I'm no fan of Ed's and actually like Kane Cornes.

Footy Classified summed this up perfectly last night, Port Adelaide needs to move on.

Clip below.

Eddie is right. Simple as that.

When Port entered the comp the agreement was very clear. No black and white. No magpies. Whether you think it's unfair or not doesn't really matter. That's the deal. Accept it and move on.
 

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Eddie is right. Simple as that.

When Port entered the comp the agreement was very clear. No black and white. No magpies. Whether you think it's unfair or not doesn't really matter. That's the deal. Accept it and move on.
Hearing the history and I actually remember this now regarding the club trying to move away from Port Magpies and form its own identity as they couldn't get members is even more interesting.

A week ago on Pies board I said didn't really care but I do now after listening to that.

Why should Collingwood be disrespected? We have stayed true to the jumper and they moved away from it why should we suffer?
 
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Hahaha! My post was deleted in record time. It lasted literally one second.

I'm going to leave this awesome discussion to all you learned scholars.

I hope you all have a wonderful time debating who should be allowed to wear black and white striped jumpers.

One day, I might get around to reading the previous 143 pages... Or maybe not...
 

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Hahaha! My post was deleted in record time. It lasted literally one second.

I'm going to leave this awesome discussion to all you learned scholars.

I hope you all have a wonderful time debating who should be allowed to wear black and white striped jumpers.

One day, I might get around to reading the previous 143 pages... Or maybe not...
Don't stress mate.

Nobody is interested in stealing brown and yellow stripes.
 

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What's that gotta do with the debate about Port and Collingwood's jumpers? :drunk::drunk::drunk:
You seem stressed that's all.

There really isn't a debate anyway. It's just AFL media story of the week. It'll sell a few papers in Adelaide, and give talking heads something to talk about. Nobody seriously believes Port are going to be running around in black and white stripes.
 

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You seem stressed that's all.

There really isn't a debate anyway. It's just AFL media story of the week. It'll sell a few papers in Adelaide, and give talking heads something to talk about. Nobody seriously believes Port are going to be running around in black and white stripes.
What on earth gives you the idea that I'm "stressed" ?
 

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Port Adelaide - couldn't relinquish the Magpies and the uniform quick enough to get into the AFL.

I think the AFL is realising why the SANFL and all the supporters of those clubs that came together to form Adelaide, despise them so much. And why it literally broke Graham Cornes' heart to see both his sons play there.

They gave their word with fingers crossed behind their back, but they signed a deal, now stick to it. Stop being a ******* pest. It's why fans all over the country have such joy in watching this team fail after having a dominant season.
 

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1) Those codes are for their logos, not their jumpers, official colours etc.
2) Nobody gives a sh*t about specific shades down to the 256 RGBs
3) Are the Bulldogs Colours Indigo, Cyan Cobalt Blue, White and Crimson or Blue, White and Red

Now instead of making yourself look like a complete fool you could have started with "but Brisbane are Maroon, Gold and Blue not Red, Gold and Blue like Gold Coast." But no you had to introduce irrelevant bullshit to try and make yourself look smart and knowledgeable.
So you’ve now gone all the way around and arguing against your initial point in an attempt to try and somehow save face and make it look like you were right all along? So which is it, Brisbane and Gold Coast have substantially different jumpers colours (which you seem to agree with here unless you are now going to claim that maroon and red are the same) and therefore Brisbane wouldn’t have had any issue with those colours for GC (assuming somehow Brisbane inherited Fitzroy’s assignment of those rights, which I suspect wouldn’t have been the case), or Brisbane and Gold Coast have the “same” colours as you originally claimed? It is quite pathetic when people have to resort to childish insults instead of just admitting they were wrong when called on it. More than anything it’s just a sign they aren’t anywhere near as smart as they think they are


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