Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

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I think you can compromise on that jumper now by including teal in it. Not much, just enough to appease the disgruntled like a 5mm outline on your black stripes. Same jumper but just helping Eddie sleep at night.
Take a good look, there is teal on this guernsey. We have made the compromise, now let us wear it.


 

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I guess the question is to the Port defenders in this thread.

If you signed a contract with your employer regarding terms of employment pay etc and they changed or broke that contract how would you feel?

It's as simple as that really.
Considering the Fair Work Act 2009 was amended in 2020 demonstrates condition changes to employment contacts happen all the time.

Most employed people would understand this ...
 

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I guess the question is to the Port defenders in this thread.

If you signed a contract with your employer regarding terms of employment pay etc and they changed or broke that contract how would you feel?

It's as simple as that really.
Imagine if you were still being held to an employment contract you signed twenty five years ago. How would you feel?
 
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I guess the question is to the Port defenders in this thread.

If you signed a contract with your employer regarding terms of employment pay etc and they changed or broke that contract how would you feel?

It's as simple as that really.
If I signed it in bad faith I would probably recognise that I have to accept it is void and pay the consequences.

Collingwood would be like, you know those free lunches we organised for you. You don't get those any more because we don't do lunch any more, it is now called midday break.
 

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If I signed it in bad faith I would probably recognise that I have to accept it is void and pay the consequences.

Collingwood would be like, you know those free lunches we organised for you. You don't get those any more because we don't do lunch any more, it is now called midday break.
Eddie admits as much in the video, he says (paraphrase) I signed it knowing full well there would be no more heritage rounds
 

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I guess the question is to the Port defenders in this thread.

If you signed a contract with your employer regarding terms of employment pay etc and they changed or broke that contract how would you feel?

It's as simple as that really.
Your employer must love you, only having to pay you 1997 pay rates. :)
 

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Eddie admits as much in the video, he says (paraphrase) I signed it knowing full well there would be no more heritage rounds
we’re not talking about the heritage round agreement here though. we are talking about the original and overarching agreement.. the heritage round agreement was a completely seperate agreement that covered nothing more than the heritage round games so its totally and utterly irrelevant.

this has already been pointed out dozens of times already in this thread. do try and keep up..
 

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we’re not talking about the heritage round agreement here though. we are talking about the original and overarching agreement.. the heritage round agreement was a completely seperate agreement that covered nothing more than the heritage round games so its totally and utterly irrelevant.

this has already been pointed out dozens of times already in this thread. do try and keep up..
As it has been pointed out that agreements/contracts don't have to be set in stone forever.

They can be varied, rewritten, renegotiated......
 

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If I signed it in bad faith I would probably recognise that I have to accept it is void and pay the consequences.

Collingwood would be like, you know those free lunches we organised for you. You don't get those any more because we don't do lunch any more, it is now called midday break.
but just exactly how was the original agreement between the pies and port power drafted up prior to the power entered the afl in 1997 “signed in bad faith”??...

it simply wasnt. the rules were set out and both clubs agreed to them. now one signature to the agreement want to renege on the deal.

and attempting to compare an agreement like the one made between the pies and power, in which the power agreed never to wear the port adelaide sanfl magpies black and white striped guernsey or sell it, to an individual employment contract is just ludicrous and a completely pointless and stupid arguement.. can pretty much call that ”arguing in bad faith”!...
 

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but just exactly how was the original agreement between the pies and port power drafted up prior to the power entered the afl in 1997 “signed in bad faith”??...

it simply wasnt. the rules were set out and both clubs agreed to them. now one signature to the agreement want to renege on the deal.

and attempting to compare an agreement like the one made between the pies and power, in which the power agreed never to wear the port adelaide sanfl magpies black and white striped guernsey or sell it, to an individual employment contract is just ludicrous and a completely pointless and stupid arguement.. can pretty much call that ”arguing in bad faith”!...
No, they want to vary it. Stop being disingenuous.
 

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but just exactly how was the original agreement between the pies and port power drafted up prior to the power entered the afl in 1997 “signed in bad faith”??...

it simply wasnt. the rules were set out and both clubs agreed to them. now one signature to the agreement want to renege on the deal.

and attempting to compare an agreement like the one made between the pies and power, in which the power agreed never to wear the port adelaide sanfl magpies black and white striped guernsey or sell it, to an individual employment contract is just ludicrous and a completely pointless and stupid arguement.. can pretty much call that ”arguing in bad faith”!...
not only does this have 1) nothing to do with you, but you 2) don't even care, and 3) have an anti-Port agenda. 0/3
 

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As it has been pointed out that agreements/contracts don't have to be set in stone forever.

They can be varied, rewritten, renegotiated......
yes, if both party‘s agree to renegotiate..

but collingwood dont want to, they are happy to continue on with the current agreement as it stands.
thats their right. and the AFL accepts that and has thus said, sorry port, the original agreement stands.

so that is effectively the end of the conversation.
 

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No, they want to vary it. Stop being disingenuous.
vary, renegotiate, tear up, renege on, rewrite.. who gives a sh*t, its all the same..

its not happening and you blabbing on about the semantics of the words being chosen by other posters is whats disingenuous..
 

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You have it the wrong way around.

Collingwood are the Black n White Magpies in the AFL, that is their identity...their castle.
why do you think Port Adelaide wearing the prison bars would hurt Collingwoods brand? honestly what makes you fearful of that?
 

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yes, if both party‘s agree to renegotiate..

but collingwood dont want to, they are happy to continue on with the current agreement as it stands.
thats their right. and the AFL accepts that and has thus said, sorry port, the original agreement stands.

so that is effectively the end of the conversation.
So Port applied to Collingwood to join the AFL in 1997?

Anyway, you are making it sound like the original agreement is set in stone forever, like some religious document.

It isn't. It can be varied. Stop pretending it can't be.

Of course it takes both parties to agree to any variation - that's common sense.

But one party has the right to seek variation if they so wish. Just because the other party says "no" now doesn't mean they can't stop trying.
 

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vary, renegotiate, tear up, renege on, rewrite.. who gives a sh*t, its all the same..

its not happening and you blabbing on about the semantics of the words being chosen by other posters is whats disingenuous..
No, it's not.

You are making it sound like Port are trying to turn their back on the entire agreement.

They aren't. They are after a minor variation, that's all.
 

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not only does this have 1) nothing to do with you, but you 2) don't even care, and 3) have an anti-Port agenda. 0/3
i’m simply here joining in the conversation just like anyone else is. this is an open public forum. i’m not being disrespectful, nasty or abusive in anyway.

and everything i have said is backed by the actions of the AFL. they (and i’d hazard a guess their lawyers) have come to the conclusion that there is a long standing agreement between the pies and power, written up and signed by both party’s prior to 1997. that agreement will continue to be adhered to unless BOTH party’s decide that changes can be made to it. at this point in time one of the party’s (the pies) want no change.

so that is the decision the AFL handed down last week. Port will continue to not be allowed to wear their SANFL sides guernsey in the AFL.

its pretty simple really.

and just because you dont like me pointing out these basic facts doesnt mean you have the right to insinuate that i shouldnt be commenting here...
 

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So Port applied to Collingwood to join the AFL in 1997?

Anyway, you are making it sound like the original agreement is set in stone forever, like some religious document.

It isn't. It can be varied. Stop pretending it can't be.

Of course it takes both parties to agree to any variation - that's common sense.

But one party has the right to seek variation if they so wish. Just because the other party says "no" now doesn't mean they can't stop trying.
they can keep trying.. but it looks at this point in time that its gonna get them nowhere.
 

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why do you think Port Adelaide wearing the prison bars would hurt Collingwoods brand? honestly what makes you fearful of that?
why do you instantly assume it doesn't hurt their brand?. ultimately no one really knows. its really something that cant be ascertained unless port were allowed to wear the prison bars jumper for a period of time.. which isnt going to happen so its a mute point.

at the end of the day.. Collingwood have always been the VFL turned AFL league‘s team of the “black and white” and their guernsey for the most part has been the black and white stripes. thats their tradition, identity and history. they have every right to defend it and an agreement from port power that helps uphold that defense.

time for port to accept that, be grateful the pies allowed port to wear the PB’s for the heritage round games and their 150th celebrations, and move on..
 

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Putting aside the fact that the AFL can make amendments has anyone ever read our original licence agreement? There are a lot of very general references to it ITT but what does it actually say about this issue? Does it specifically ban the Prison Bars in perpetuity?
 

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why do you instantly assume it doesn't hurt their brand?
i wasn't talking to you mate, but if you wanna reply to what i said, actually reply to it instead of answering with your own question. how could Collingwood's mighty gigantic "Manchester United of Australia" brand be distorted by "little old Port Adelaide"? wouldn't such a "gigantic club" not fear such a "small club"? Collingwood are entrenched in the Vic bubble and will always have their fake 100k members, nobody will confuse them for Port, all the way over in SA, where they never see us on TV. the way digital subscriptions and such are going, soon enough Collingwood fans will only pay for Collingwood subscriptions and never even see a second of Port footage anyway. so what excuse can you come up with?
 

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why do you instantly assume it doesn't hurt their brand?. ultimately no one really knows. its really something that cant be ascertained unless port were allowed to wear the prison bars jumper for a period of time.. which isnt going to happen so its a mute point.

at the end of the day.. Collingwood have always been the VFL turned AFL league‘s team of the “black and white” and their guernsey for the most part has been the black and white stripes. thats their tradition, identity and history. they have every right to defend it and an agreement from port power that helps uphold that defense.

time for port to accept that, be grateful the pies allowed port to wear the PB’s for the heritage round games and their 150th celebrations, and move on..
moot
 

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Port original agreement is with the AFL not Collingwood.

The AFL have already agreed to vary the agreement numerous times (as they should).

The AFL has stated that the variation Port now wants is fair and reasonable.

Gil just needs to grow a pair and it has nothing to do with Collingwood.

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