Port and Carlton will be a problem for the AFL this year...

[bzparkes]

So after the bright sparks at AFL house decided to tamper with the draft even further, the ladder finishing positions of both Port Adelaide and Carlton now pose a very significant problem for the AFL come end of season.

With all the efforts to reduce tanking in recent years, the AFL have basically surpercharged the incentive for these 2 teams. Here's why:

• Both teams have a potential club-tied #1 contender
• The AFL brings in new rules that make it a lot harder to access high end picks under the new system that saw teams get a discount instead
• The AFL then brings in a new rule that rewards clubs for bidding at the top of the draft(end of first rounder)
• Both teams are having poor year and look set for the bottom 4, based off their recent games and lack of talent

So basically the AFL, after creating these new rules, have set up a race to the bottom for both Carlton and Port.

• Both clubs are now incentivized by bidding on the other's player to generate an additional pick
• Both clubs will be desperate to finish lower than the other to prevent them from bidding on their player so they have an additional high pick to spend on another player
• Both clubs are desperate to bring in young talent to improve their lists and won't want to give up a top end pick to match Walker/Cochrane(now requiring 2 first rounders to match).

Did anyone at AFL house even bother looking at the ladder before announcing this? What a mess...

 

[Ash1337]

Have the AFL Officially announced anything yet? The media have talked about what changes the AFL want to implement but yet to see anything actually announced by the AFL house themselves. The Last amount of changes were announced in 2024 during or after the trade period.

 

[ABAB]

Essendon will bid on both players. Both clubs will be able to match the bids in the top 2 with their pick 6-8 and a late 1st rounder or go into a bit of point deficit next year which is fair value, who wouldn't trade pick 6-8 and late 1st rounder for pick 1-2????

 

[bzparkes]

Have the AFL Officially announced anything yet? The media have talked about what changes the AFL want to implement but yet to see anything actually announced by the AFL house themselves. The Last amount of changes were announced in 2024 during or after the trade period.

Officially? Not yet but if Cal Twomey's saying what they're going to do on mainstream media, you can lock it in.

'Just awful': Brutal AFL crackdown to smash Carlton, Essendon

After Queensland teams cashed in

www.nine.com.au

 

[Ash1337]

Officially? Not yet but if Cal Twomey's saying what they're going to do on mainstream media, you can lock it in.

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'Just awful': Brutal AFL crackdown to smash Carlton, Essendon

After Queensland teams cashed in

www.nine.com.au

Twomey also talked about the changes that were announced in 2024 during that season. Doesn't mean these changes are for this season.

 

[bzparkes]

Essendon will bid on both players. Both clubs will be able to match the bids in the top 2 with their pick 6-8 and a late 1st rounder or go into a bit of point deficit next year which is fair value, who wouldn't trade pick 6-8 and late 1st rounder for pick 1-2????

Ok but the point is this incentivises those 2 clubs to finish bottom.

The early expectation is one of Richmond/Essendon will but it's not fait accompli just yet, especially presuming Voss gets sacked(yes, we're expecting Brad will also).

It's also not just his year. With all the academies and FS programs clubs run these days, this will almost certainly be an issue moving forward.

 

[ABAB]

Ok but the point is this incentivises those 2 clubs to finish bottom.

The early expectation is one of Richmond/Essendon will but it's not fait accompli just yet, especially presuming Voss gets sacked(yes, we're expecting Brad will also).

It's also not just his year. With all the academies and FS programs clubs run these days, this will almost certainly be an issue moving forward.

Why? They can still access them with pick 6-8 (I think both Carlton and Port Power will finish in this range) and another late 1st rounder or go into a bit of point deficit next year, that's worth it for a top 2 pick. If they finish in the bottom 4 then just select them with their pick or split it to get a pick 6-8 and a late first rounder to match instead of using a bunch of 20s and 30s previously. I don't like the giving an extra end of 1st rounder for clubs effected with the bid in the top 5, I suspect other clubs will push back on this.

 

[bzparkes]

Why? They can still access them with pick 6-8 (I think both Carlton and Port Power will finish in this range) and another late 1st rounder or go into a bit of point deficit next year, that's worth it for a top 2 pick. If they finish in the bottom 4 then just select them with their pick or split it to get a pick 6-8 and a late first rounder to match instead of using a bunch of 20s and 30s previously. I don't like the giving an extra end of 1st rounder for clubs effected with the bid in the top 5, I suspect other clubs will push back on this.

Why?

How many games do you realistically think either team is actually going to win this year?

Bear in mind Port got gifted the easiest start of all time and are staring down the barrel of 1-3 against last year's bottom 4 and Carlton are likely to sack their coach?

Both teams are putrid and desperate for young talent, especially considering Port have taken only 3 picks inside 30 in the past 3 years and Carlton already packaged up picks to get to the pointy end in the past 2 drafts, thus passing on other picks at the top of the draft.

Both clubs are getting desperate to bring in as much young talent as they can to flesh out their lists and missing out on additional first rounders to match at the pointy end isn't going to do that for them.

If Port get themselves into a position to get a top 5 pick via FA for Butters, for instance, and then bid on Walker and get an additional first rounder, they're probably not going to field their best team, nor should they.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The rules make FS/Academy bids harder which should help to make the draft less compromised. Which is a step in the right direction and if not now then they'll be harming whoever next has a high FS/Academy player. Someone's got to be unlucky and it looks to be those two.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Yeah it’s gunna come to a stage where I’m actively hoping we lose, the rule changes will encourage tanking.

Stupid that they make these changes this year of all years.

Next year we also have 2 of our academy kids gunna be likely top 10 picks.

 

[Mr.X]

The prime time games need quality sides on display who put in a good spectacle

Keeping the lower placed teams in showcase slots needs to be minimised

 

[Obeanie1]

So after the bright sparks at AFL house decided to tamper with the draft even further, the ladder finishing positions of both Port Adelaide and Carlton now pose a very significant problem for the AFL come end of season.

With all the efforts to reduce tanking in recent years, the AFL have basically surpercharged the incentive for these 2 teams. Here's why:

• Both teams have a potential club-tied #1 contender
• The AFL brings in new rules that make it a lot harder to access high end picks under the new system that saw teams get a discount instead
• The AFL then brings in a new rule that rewards clubs for bidding at the top of the draft(end of first rounder)
• Both teams are having poor year and look set for the bottom 4, based off their recent games and lack of talent

So basically the AFL, after creating these new rules, have set up a race to the bottom for both Carlton and Port.

• Both clubs are now incentivized by bidding on the other's player to generate an additional pick
• Both clubs will be desperate to finish lower than the other to prevent them from bidding on their player so they have an additional high pick to spend on another player
• Both clubs are desperate to bring in young talent to improve their lists and won't want to give up a top end pick to match Walker/Cochrane(now requiring 2 first rounders to match).

Did anyone at AFL house even bother looking at the ladder before announcing this? What a mess...

Did North and the Eagles tank for Harley?

The most hyped up kid in AFL history.

No. They didn't. Both won games in the final two rounds to miss out on pick 1.

Blues already hold 2 x 1sts. And are crap. And that was planned when they lost 3 x best 22 players last year. They have the picks already, no need to tank.

Ports list is looking very thin after their president refused to rebuild and topped up. They will lose Butters and also have the picks they need.

So they also have no real need to tank at all.

 

[bzparkes]

Did North and the Eagles tank for Harley?

The most hyped up kid in AFL history.

No. They didn't. Both won games in the final two rounds to miss out on pick 1.

Blues already hold 2 x 1sts. And are crap. And that was planned when they lost 3 x best 22 players last year. They have the picks already, no need to tank.

Ports list is looking very thin after their president refused to rebuild and topped up. They will lose Butters and also have the picks they need.

So they also have no real need to tank at all.

There is if they can keep a first rounder instead of using both to match, + generating an additional end of first round pick for bidding on Cochrane.

They would mean being wooden spooner but they can still get an EOFR pick in this scenario if they finish 17th. As
could Port.

 

[SSSSSS]

Boohoo that Carlton and Port get access to two highly rated youngsters that they have to pay an appropriate amount for.

That's how it should have been from the start.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Port's claim on Cochrane is paper thin as it is, they should just say please and thank you to the AFL regarding any changes to the academy picks.